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@ethang5
Yep.
Definitely the car and the latest bit of tech.
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@LordLuke
Year of birth is enough.
It's sometimes useful to know the age of the person that one is in a discussion with, that's all.
Regards.
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@WaterPhoenix
Certainly.
We've long since not had to focus our efforts on hunter gathering and general survival stuff.
So staring at other stuff is a harmless enough way of spending a few hours. (And spending one's hard earned cash).
Freedom to choose and all that hey.
Mind you. One could just as easily stand outside the gallery and stare at something for free.
Take your pick the Worlds full of interesting stuff.
Just saying.
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@Mopac
As I continue to state. The ultimate reality is what it is and no one can actually do anything other than speculate.
Call it God, if that is what you have been conditioned to do. I certainly do not wish to deny you that right.
For now I will refer to it as G.O.D as this fit's nicely with my current way of thinking.
As you've probably surmised, I was never strictly conditioned with any of the many religious variants, so I am therefore able to retain a very flexible approach towards matters concerning the big question.
Though what this proves to me is, that the reason that we continue to differ and to debate is not because one of us is right and one of us is wrong, it's simply because you and I were brought up differently.
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@drafterman
Only if you don't particularly want transhumanism within the scope of evolution. Your call, though a bit short sighted perhaps.Transhumanism is not in the scope of evolution.
Nonetheless as far as I am concerned technological evolution will most likely exceed both humanism and transhumanism.
As I stated, you are only concerning yourself with one small phase of the process of material evolution and conveniently disregarding everything that went before and everything that will possibly come after.
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@Athias
In so much as Creation and evolution might be regarded as opposing hypotheses.
Nonetheless creation starts at the beginning of something, whereas the possibility of species evolution comes a long while later, rather towards the current end of a process.
I would suggest that evolution should actually take into account every phase of a developmental process, rather than just the particular bit that is relevant to ourselves.
Though If one does focus on the very latter stages of material development, that is to say the exponential movement from the organic to the technological, then evolution would seem to be patently obvious..
The fact that we are the architects of this movement, is what it is.
And perhaps is also what it was meant to be.
Creation-Evolution-Creation etc.
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@3RU7AL
Lacks panache.NTURTTGgTS
And NOUMENON's not much better.
You can see why the choose GOD.
G.O.D. could be something like the Genesis Originating Data.
G.O.D. Would look good on the side of the Data Delivery Vehicle. D.D.V.
NTURTTGgTS would just look stupid.
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@Mopac
That's easy to say.
But impossible to prove.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Also TBF.
His predictions concerning recent U.S. Policy and Middle Eastern events have been somewhat correct.
Admittedly some of his earlier conspiracy stuff was just a tad whacky, to say the least.
But if you've got a moment, some of his more recent lectures are well worth a listen.
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@ebuc
Trump is clueless for sure.
It's the string pullers who have the agenda and the authority.
And British lick arses, who assumed a mandate to leave the E.U. now assume a mandate to keep on licking.
How about asking the people what they think Bosser?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Over-pedanticism concerning subject matter, rather than an actual interest in the subject itself, is to a greater or lesser extent often the reason why some people debate.
And to be honest.
Myself included.
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@WaterPhoenix
What does that say about the human species?
Are we no better than sheep?
As David Icke said. Sometimes I think that we "out sheep the sheep".
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@Mopac
As I stated very recently in a separate thread.
Call it God if you wish, that's your prerogative.
I for now will label the possible enabler of a possible ultimate reality as G.O.D. Which is an acronym.
D. probably is data.
But I haven't got my head around the G and the O yet.
Though the only reason I choose G.O.D. is because it is an acronym relative to many popular mythological hypotheses.
Of course the word God could easily be a corruption of something else, that has long since been lost in translation.
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@Mopac
Odds on for the Ultimate reality. It's probably delusional to think otherwise.
What one chooses to call the ultimate reality is of no importance.
I sometimes Refer to it as G.O.D. but I haven't decided what the acronym stands for yet.
Though In my hypothesis G.O.D. is the enabler of the ultimate reality.
No worship required.
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@Athias
So then what significance does this bear to anyone other than you.
Some or none.
It's wholly dependant upon the recipient.
What is a debate, other than a string of subjective statements?
When is a personal judgement not based upon ones personal opinions?
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@Athias
A. I think therefore I am, as far as I can be certain, which is all there is. So I evolved. As far as I am aware I am not a carbon copy of everything that predates me.
B. I communicate with you electronically.
A. and B. are both relative to the processes of Material evolution, as is Darwinian Theory.
As far as I can be aware A. and B. are real.
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@Athias
Reality in so much as we are able to know what reality possibly is, substantiates evolution.
As one assumes that the human one is the only argument. Therefore, human arguments are just that.
The existence of the human and the development of the argument and the possibility of a conclusion.
And the bleeping of the device.
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@ Athias
A. What do you assume is my "proposed metric". Perhaps you could clarify.
B. I'm not really a proponent of assumed objectivity. I think that anything intra-subjective, is just that.
C. It's nice when one experiences a moment of inter-subjectivity.
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@Mopac
I think that you will actually find that an "angle" is the space between two intersecting lines.
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@PressF4Respect
Mona Lisa.
Was a good film.
But the painting is boring.
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@coal
What's the fascination with Russian authors?
And where do you think that we would be today without "Progressive Types"?
Isn't it fair to say that stagnant types are often just jealous of progressive types?
Isn't it better be to be ignorant and content, rather than jealous?
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@Pinkfreud08
Q. How to take the focus of impeachment?
A. Be a hero and blow up an Iranian general.
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@DynamicSquid
No archaic religions allowed.
Only sensible people can apply to be Martians.
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@Barney
@BrotherDThomas
So where is the original untranslated text?
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@BrotherDThomas
I think that you will find that angels and the like are the fantasy bits of the mythology.
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@Alec
This is Alec the no sex before marriage kid?
And he fancies a good roasting.
LOL.
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@Singularity
Developing the interface is the technical bit and will no doubt be achieved.
Then it might be as simple as downloading to your smartphone.
Of course you would want to do this whist you still possessed full mental acuity, so obviously it would be essential to copy during an earlier stage of your organic existence.
And therein lie a whole raft of dilemmas. Especially when the organic host dies and you have to hand management of your potentially eternal consciousness over to others.
Though I would imagine, given the exponential rate of technological development it wont be to long before self replicating technology is able to take over for itself.
And of what worth will our minds be to a vastly superior inorganic intelligence. Or more importantly, will a vastly superior intelligence consider our minds to be of any value.
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@Mopac
Yep. Definitely third parties to consider.
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@Singularity
Good question that needs some thought.
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@Singularity
The essence of you is in your consciousness, all the rest is just mush.
Every sensory response occurs within your consciousness.
Technology is simply ongoing evolution. Therefore transferring consciousness is probably inevitable.
Consciousness without the cumbersome and problematic body.
It might be heaven.
But there again, it might be hell.
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@ethang5
Clever marketing.
Invent something that no one necessarily needs and then convince everyone that they cannot live without it.
A bit like the wheel.
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@3RU7AL
Belief is your evaluation of your personal set of conditioned data.
You were largely programmed to believe most of what you think that you believe.
Once you have been formatively programmed it becomes very difficult to properly re-programme. It's very difficult to change your mind.
You don't just recall every individual bit of data and re-sequence it according to the mood of the moment.
Your personally held data is already stored in specific sequences and automatically utilised as such.
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@ebuc
There's cannabis use and then there's cannabis use.
Just like there's enjoying a burger and fries and then there's stuffing yourself senseless with burgers and fries.
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@Vader
All archaic deific religions are mythological pseudo-hypotheses made up largely by generally ignorant men.
Same old shit Eugene!
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@Greyparrot
A cesspool of euro-imperialists with indigenous blood on their hands.
Sound a bit like the U.S. to me.
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@Singularity
What is it that you wish to preserve?
The body or the mind.
You life occurs within your brain, your mass only supports that function.
Downloading consciousness sooner rather than later is almost a certainty.
So would you be happy to exist within an electronic device rather than within the organic device that you currently utilise?
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@Alec
A. You asked for my "ideas" concerning the meaning of life.
You have started secondary arguments based on my ideas.
B. Size and weight are not a necessarily the measure of superiority.
Otherwise Elephants would dominate the Planet, rather than cling on to a tenuous existence in receding African Game Reserves.
And bacteria may one day wipe us all out.
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Any one that believes in an "unknown essence"
By that very definition must be a tad "superstitious".
And I would suggest that it is not a case of "not understanding".
It's more a case of understanding what you espouse, which on the surface appears to be reasonably virtuous, but nonetheless, has no factual basis.
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@Bullish
Nope.
Forget that last post.
Just failed again and nothing to do with the quotation highlighting tool.
Back to square one.
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@Vader
Your justifications and zealous Americanisms seem to be a disguise for an underlying anxiety.
I would say bad move Donald.
Though I doubt that it was Donald's decision, but rather the decision of those that pull his strings.
And also those outside influences, that pull U.S. foreign policy strings.
And Iran has some new big tough allies, as the U.S. spreads it's self righteousness more and more thinly around the world.
Keep an eye out for those hypersonics Uncle Sam!
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@Patmos
But that's got nothing to do with the portrayal of death in battle.
The inclusion of the word portrayal in the proposition is very specific.
There is nothing particularly heroic about pretending to be killed in battle.
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@Bullish
Failure this morning.
Almost definitely something to do with using the quote highlighting tool.
Am I using it incorrectly?
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@Mopac
It is not the possibility of an ultimate reality that others question.
It is you and your churches blind devotion to an "unknowable essence" and the associated pontification that lies therein.
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@Alec
Well the superiority of the mass in terms of comparative life forms is plain to see.
Is it possible for grass to have purpose and achievements beyond it's base function? It would seem unlikely.
Humans create purpose and achievements, though the question is do those actions have a greater meaning beyond Earthbound humanity itself?
Possibly, is the best answer I can give to that question.
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