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@Stephen
Thangy's a self confessed Conservative.
Ergo a rigid set of principles irrespective of contradiction.
Seems like a nice bloke though.
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@PressF4Respect
God or not makes for fun debating.
So it's clearly worth it.
Adler's just a killjoy.
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@ethang5
All data is essentially the same.
it's just how we choose to order data that supposedly makes us different.
Theism and Atheism and New Atheism are all essentially the same.
It's all just down the addition of a few extra A's and new's etc.
A load of fuss about nothing really.
Nonetheless, entertaining.
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@ethang5
To me, an assumption is an assumption.
An opinion that attempts to state a possibility, rather than a fact.
Whereas Mopac states possibilities which they regard as facts.
Liberalism doesn't really come into it.
You seem to be hung up on that old, assumed, political dichotomy at the moment.
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@Dr.Franklin
No one actually believes that the Earth is flat.
Some people just enjoy saying that it is, just to wind others up.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
But surely Mary must have seen God right.
No they didn't have electric lights back in the day.
And so I expect he crept up quietly and took her from behind, whilst Jo was out back tending to the donkey.
Oh my! You're a big boy Jo, she cried .
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
A foetus is an organic mass which possesses life. The foetus itself is not "a life".This means that we are in agreement the foetus is already a life, not a potential life.
Life is the potential.
The same rule applies to all organic forms.
It's just that as humans we are obviously biased and therefore selectively moral.
And some of us are more selectively moral and biased than others.
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@WaterPhoenix
Exactly Big Bro.
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@Paul
Religion was probably an inevitable consequence of evolutionary development. Just as intelligence and the acquisition of knowledge were also.
Maybe we will never know the significance of the process.
Or maybe the process has no real significance.
Maybe if the asteroid or whatever had missed the Earth. It would perhaps have been the dinosaurs descendants having this discussion.
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@Greyparrot
Perhaps all American Settlers should go home.
Seriously though. If you think about it, your argument only helps to emphasise my argument.
I take no sides.
I just attempt to point out the stupidity of the Israeli/Palestinian situation.
Though I would ask the question.
Who's influence is stronger over who's. The U.S's over Israel or vice versa?
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@DynamicSquid
Some might argue that "signing up to battle", is an act of stupidity.
In fact the whole war thing is stupid.
But it seems that we just can't help ourselves.
Though, none of this is really relevant to the proposition.
Can you explain the proposition?
Why is the portrayal of death in battle, heroic?
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@ethang5
You have a very jaundiced view of the situation there Bro.
You're only a few steps away from the advocation of genocide.
And Israel as a modern State as only been in existence since 1948.
And people regarded as Israeli and people regarded as Palestinian always have been and always will be territorially inseparable.
It's just an example of the stupidity of humanity, whereby people who are so inextricably linked and similar in so many respects assume that they can be so different, based solely on the deluded ramblings of so called Holy Men.
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@WaterPhoenix
Violation without consent by the State, Big Bro. Nasty!
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@Dynasty
How wars were/are labelled is not relevant.
It's the participants rather than the event that assume religious significance.
In WW2 for example. The majority of participants were likely to have been, to a lesser or greater extent consciously associated with one religious faith or another.
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@crossed
Savant syndrome, resulting from head trauma. Usually affects memory rather than the whole gamut of cognitive function.
To be a genius, one not only needs to be able to acquire, store and reproduce copious amounts of data.
One also needs to be able to assimilate, adapt, and develop data, thereby advancing the understanding and application knowledge.
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@Dynasty
I'm gonna need citations.
Theism and war are inseparable.
No citations needed.
You obviously didn't pay attention in History Class.
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If both good and bad affairs are equally as sordid.
Then what is one supposed to do.
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@DynamicSquid
Explain.
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@ebuc
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Sequential universe.
Ergo finite, yet infinite possibility.
Rational common sense pathway, no blockages.
No ego required
Only your ego prevents rational common sense understanding.
Repeating your incoherent narrative is just immature childishness.
YES YES YES YES
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Yes.
One can choose to ignore or take offence.
That's not Backwardseden's problem.
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@PGA2.0
But we firmly agree though, that God is a wild assumption.Gods word is the basis of morality
Therefore morality is also a human assumption.
More or less wild, depending on the subjectivity of the practitioner.
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@eventuality001
Giantism:
The over production of growth hormones.
Obviously a source of great excitement and story telling back in the day.
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@Stephen
Religion and other tales.
Internally processed data for sure.
Obviously dynamic, if you think about it regularly.
Truisms in themselves.
But unlikely to be relative to any greater external reality.
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@SirAnonymous
Exactly
If you teach your kids nonsense and contradictions, then they will grow up believing in nonsense and contradictions.
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@PGA2.0
But can you put your hand on your heart and swear that you stick rigidly to that moral principle at all times?All human beings.....equal worth.
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@crossed
Well.
That information certainly blows all those Bible myths out of the water, doesn't it?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I understood the analogy.
Trouble was, the information you went on to present, was glaringly inaccurate.
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@crossed
Where else other than organic structures is one likely to able to extract and synthesise other organic compounds.
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What do Dolphins eat then?
And one would suspect that Buffalo Bill was probably a carnivore.
In fact. Buffalo Bill is extinct.
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@disgusted
A concise one liner that is in the main probably a fairly accurate description of the truth.The Bible is a heap of old books etc.
Though I think that it is unfair to suggest that previous generations were all ignorant, superstitious savages.
All people are ignorant of what they don't know.
And some people are just as superstitious today as they ever were. And this same principle also applies to savagery.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
The Third Reich overstretched itself.
The Third Reich brought about it's own downfall.
Plus you also forgot to mention the Hugh Russian efforts made on the Eastern Front.
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@crossed
I admire your tenacity.
Nonetheless, stories are only stories. Designed to entertain and not designed to represent the truth.
And correct me if I am wrong, but I don't remember dragons in the Bible.
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If you are a creationist then you wouldn't really accept the concept of dinosaurs.
As, and again correct me if I am wrong . Neither do I remember dinosaurs being mentioned in the Bible.
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@crossed
Men with significantly larger and pro-active penis's, inevitably make the better porn stars.
Same principle, different physiological development.
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Yep.
But "medicines" in plants are of no use unless manipulated by human intelligence.
In fact, beneficial substances often have to be extracted from toxins.
if the creator is so intelligent why didn't it just create bottles of medicine.
Why the need for the big game all the time?
You are happy attribute your creator with intelligence but neglect to give it any common sense.
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There has to be some method of population control.Over 1.5 billion human beings slaughtered.
Seriously.
Medical advancements over the past 100 years or so, have severely restricted the process of what was formerly regarded as natural wastage.
Though I would suggest that we should also regard the 1.5 billion listed above as natural wastage. After all what isn't natural?
Shit happens.
We are just lucky to have survived thus far.
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@crossed
Yep.
But that's just a weak hypothesis based purely on assumption.
It's human intelligence that has been able to identify and manipulate the beneficial properties of certain plants.
Many plants also contain unbeneficial and sometimes lethal toxins. Why would an intelligent creator bother to do that?
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@Dr.Franklin
You think he's white and Northern European in appearance because those are the images depicted in the fairy tale bibles, that you were no doubt formatively subjected to.
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@PressF4Respect
God? Possibly so?
Morality? Subjective
Hotel? Trivago.
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@dustryder
@crossed
Penis's have two specific functions.
Size is simply an acquired social hang up.
And the proposition seems a really desperate attempt at validating the god hypothesis.
Shall we call it Crosses Razor?
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@PressF4Respect
If one is a goddist, then the first humans were supposedly created by God.
Unless one has ditched creationism in favour of Darwinian evolution. In which case there wouldn't be a God of any colour.
Otherwise skin tone would be relative to God's will rather than relative to Africa.
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@bmdrocks21
One tends to find that anti-abortionists are selectively moral...….Ergo hypocritical.
Can you honestly state that you have never supported the taking of a human life?
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@ebuc
Infinite, finite, easy...... Just internal data processing, no external cosmic law required.
And see if you can give me a simple answer to a simple question.
How can it be possible for something to occur, unless the possibility of something occurring wasn't infinitely possible?
No tori or great circles required.
Regards
Z
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@PGA2.0
You assume that certain data is factual, which is nowhere near the same as data being factual.
And your commitment and solidification is indicative of well established data conditioning.
And the older you get the harder it is to re-programme.
In that sense, all religious commitment is exactly the same process.
It's just how you decide to order the data that makes you believe that you are the one that is righteous.
And of course we all do exactly the same.
So, can Christians be pro-choice?
Obviously. If that is how people choose to interpret and order the relevant data.
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@RationalMadman
It depends how much you are addicted to devices I suppose.
It sounds like the designers and marketeers have got you hooked.
And only a numpty with to much dosh would buy a Rolex.
Just like the numpties that keep lashing out on the latest devices.
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@BrotherDThomas
So where did the Lord God get his oxygen from prior to the creation thing.The Lord God breathed.
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@RationalMadman
Gimmick: A trick or device intended to attract attention.
Therefore, I would suggest that a phone is more of a gimmick.
Nonetheless, for acquiring quick time updates, I personally find that a wrist watch is the more functionally efficient device.
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