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@Dynasty
Relatively primitive, ignorant and superstitious.
But not necessarily savage.
And the "Bible" is undoubtedly a collection of superstition and ignorance based tales, which mix fact with fiction and fantasy.
Ergo a mythology.
Comparable with other mythologies of the day and also comparable with other older mythologies.
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@BrotherDThomas
Also, the use of spaces between separate words would be a good idea.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
I'm Pro Life. Change my mind.
That was the proposition.
And of course, who isn't actually "Pro Life" ?
Nonetheless our personal survival depends just as much upon extinguishing live as it does upon the maintenance of life.
Therefore we all have to make selective judgements, which inevitably require us to have selective principles/morals.
Your assumption that human life has a greater value than that of other life forms is an inevitable bias, but nonetheless an unfounded assumption .
Though I suspect that you are also selectively moral in regard to the value of human life, which admittedly, is typically how we are conditioned to be.
Therefore irrespective of law. To cherry pick the human lives on which you care to pin the "Pro Life" badge is therefore somewhat hypocritical.
That is not to say though, that I do not understand the assumed moral dilemmas associated with the issue of abortion.
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@BrotherDThomas
Thanks for responding.
You are man quoting man. Not man quoting a god.
Simply saying that because an assumed god must have existed therefore there must also have been air to breathe, doesn't really cut the mustard these days in terms of evidence based proof.
And you simply requoting such archaic, illogical information/stories, is what it is.
It's far more logical to assume, given what we actually know, that men created these particular versions of gods in their own image.
Hence the "Penis and the Butthole".
And I suppose that women didn't get much of a look in back in the day.
So therefore, no vagina.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
I'm just stating the obvious Bro.
You either refuse to discuss or cannot discuss relative issues that occur outside of your comfort zone.
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@RationalMadman
I wasn't suggesting that you loved me. Far from it.
I was merely suggesting that despite your blocking move, you cannot resist responding to my replies.
Anyway my position remains unalterable.
You and I both know, that you are fully aware that the Earth is spherical.
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@Rational Madman.
The data is out there and consequently in there.
Your "Belief" is simply open denial of the data. That is to say, how you deliberately chose to output data.
Nonetheless spherical data is unavoidably in there, and spherical data is knowledge.
And you might as well unblock me, because you know you love it.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
You have acquired and stored data in a particular way. (As do we all)
And consequently you attach tags to certain bits of data that you regard as belief.
You "believed" that you could differentiate between one life and another.
Therefore, given your stance in this discussion, it is only fair that others with different "belief" variants, should regard your position as somewhat hypocritical.
As it would seem that your "beliefs" allow you to be selectively moral.
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@ebuc
Responsibility for oneselfStandard of living.
Stepping outside the narrowing margins of social expectancy and social dependency.
And questioning the reality of everything.
And understanding the situation of the independent mass that is oneself.
And recognising the relative nanosecond moment that is existence.
And the relative stupidity of the God Dollar.
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@ethang5
One doesn't necessarily need to prove that all spirituality is delusion.
Of course any argument against an abstract idea, has an easy counterargument.
Nonetheless, the onus must fall upon the one that attempts to promote the primary concept as reality.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
There goes that old "belief" word again.
Some might argue that such single minded "belief" is as about as immoral as it get's.
Belief is simply picking and choosing the bits that correspond with your own personal level of conditioning.
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@RationalMadman
I'm not trying to tell you anything.
I'm simply stating a fact.
Which is, that everyone knows that the Earth is spherical.
What else you care to get up to in your spare time is entirely up to you.
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@3RU7AL
Definitely something of a contradiction there.
With a pinch of conditioned bias thrown in for good measure.
Just what one would expect.
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@RationalMadman
No you don't.
Your just saying that.
And One doesn't need entitlement in order to be able to state the obvious.
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
No theism intended.
You obviously couldn't be bothered to consider my comments.
Though if this were just a debate about the birds and the bees, why would a pro-lifer or a pro-chooser need to change their mind?
Q. Can you tell me what life actually is?
Q. And why should life in humans be any different to life in other forms?
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@drafterman
I think that the dragon, princess, knight thing was perhaps a fairy tale.
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@ethang5
Can you prove that some spirituality isn't delusion?
That is to say. The assumed bases of religious spirituality.
One isn't attempting to assert that the physiological responses to assumed spirituality are not real enough mind trickery.
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@3RU7AL
Religious hypothesis.
Exactly my opinion too.
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@WaterPhoenix
And no worries.
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@Stephen
Thangy's a self confessed Conservative.
Ergo a rigid set of principles irrespective of contradiction.
Seems like a nice bloke though.
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@PressF4Respect
God or not makes for fun debating.
So it's clearly worth it.
Adler's just a killjoy.
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@ethang5
All data is essentially the same.
it's just how we choose to order data that supposedly makes us different.
Theism and Atheism and New Atheism are all essentially the same.
It's all just down the addition of a few extra A's and new's etc.
A load of fuss about nothing really.
Nonetheless, entertaining.
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@ethang5
To me, an assumption is an assumption.
An opinion that attempts to state a possibility, rather than a fact.
Whereas Mopac states possibilities which they regard as facts.
Liberalism doesn't really come into it.
You seem to be hung up on that old, assumed, political dichotomy at the moment.
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@Dr.Franklin
No one actually believes that the Earth is flat.
Some people just enjoy saying that it is, just to wind others up.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
But surely Mary must have seen God right.
No they didn't have electric lights back in the day.
And so I expect he crept up quietly and took her from behind, whilst Jo was out back tending to the donkey.
Oh my! You're a big boy Jo, she cried .
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@Our_Boat_is_Right
A foetus is an organic mass which possesses life. The foetus itself is not "a life".This means that we are in agreement the foetus is already a life, not a potential life.
Life is the potential.
The same rule applies to all organic forms.
It's just that as humans we are obviously biased and therefore selectively moral.
And some of us are more selectively moral and biased than others.
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@WaterPhoenix
Exactly Big Bro.
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@Paul
Religion was probably an inevitable consequence of evolutionary development. Just as intelligence and the acquisition of knowledge were also.
Maybe we will never know the significance of the process.
Or maybe the process has no real significance.
Maybe if the asteroid or whatever had missed the Earth. It would perhaps have been the dinosaurs descendants having this discussion.
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@Greyparrot
Perhaps all American Settlers should go home.
Seriously though. If you think about it, your argument only helps to emphasise my argument.
I take no sides.
I just attempt to point out the stupidity of the Israeli/Palestinian situation.
Though I would ask the question.
Who's influence is stronger over who's. The U.S's over Israel or vice versa?
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@DynamicSquid
Some might argue that "signing up to battle", is an act of stupidity.
In fact the whole war thing is stupid.
But it seems that we just can't help ourselves.
Though, none of this is really relevant to the proposition.
Can you explain the proposition?
Why is the portrayal of death in battle, heroic?
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@ethang5
You have a very jaundiced view of the situation there Bro.
You're only a few steps away from the advocation of genocide.
And Israel as a modern State as only been in existence since 1948.
And people regarded as Israeli and people regarded as Palestinian always have been and always will be territorially inseparable.
It's just an example of the stupidity of humanity, whereby people who are so inextricably linked and similar in so many respects assume that they can be so different, based solely on the deluded ramblings of so called Holy Men.
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@WaterPhoenix
Violation without consent by the State, Big Bro. Nasty!
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@Dynasty
How wars were/are labelled is not relevant.
It's the participants rather than the event that assume religious significance.
In WW2 for example. The majority of participants were likely to have been, to a lesser or greater extent consciously associated with one religious faith or another.
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@crossed
Savant syndrome, resulting from head trauma. Usually affects memory rather than the whole gamut of cognitive function.
To be a genius, one not only needs to be able to acquire, store and reproduce copious amounts of data.
One also needs to be able to assimilate, adapt, and develop data, thereby advancing the understanding and application knowledge.
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@Dynasty
I'm gonna need citations.
Theism and war are inseparable.
No citations needed.
You obviously didn't pay attention in History Class.
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If both good and bad affairs are equally as sordid.
Then what is one supposed to do.
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@DynamicSquid
Explain.
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@ebuc
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Sequential universe.
Ergo finite, yet infinite possibility.
Rational common sense pathway, no blockages.
No ego required
Only your ego prevents rational common sense understanding.
Repeating your incoherent narrative is just immature childishness.
YES YES YES YES
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Yes.
One can choose to ignore or take offence.
That's not Backwardseden's problem.
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@PGA2.0
But we firmly agree though, that God is a wild assumption.Gods word is the basis of morality
Therefore morality is also a human assumption.
More or less wild, depending on the subjectivity of the practitioner.
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@eventuality001
Giantism:
The over production of growth hormones.
Obviously a source of great excitement and story telling back in the day.
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@Stephen
Religion and other tales.
Internally processed data for sure.
Obviously dynamic, if you think about it regularly.
Truisms in themselves.
But unlikely to be relative to any greater external reality.
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@SirAnonymous
Exactly
If you teach your kids nonsense and contradictions, then they will grow up believing in nonsense and contradictions.
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@PGA2.0
But can you put your hand on your heart and swear that you stick rigidly to that moral principle at all times?All human beings.....equal worth.
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@crossed
Well.
That information certainly blows all those Bible myths out of the water, doesn't it?
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