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Trump wants to be GOD.

In a red hat.

Everything or nothing.

Let's just take Musk and Trump for comparison,

Two big egos, one the intellectual and the other....You work it out.

So no, ego is not necessarily an outcome of intellect.

Can you clarify what you mean by "productivity"?

Well, I wasn't really associating ego with intellect, as I didn't think that was the issue.

And I wouldn't argue that higher intellect should in the main, equate to to higher value.

Though I'm not certain what criteria you are using to calculate relative productivity. Or in fact, what you mean by productivity relative to IQ and associated value.

Do you just mean wealth accumulation?

Corruption is as corruption does.

Honour amongst thieves is how the saying goes.

And who is to say which is the more honourable bunch of thieves?

Find a niche, keep your head down, and let the thieves fight it out.

Hey.

The Middle ages period was between the 5th and 15th centuries.

The USA was founded in 1776.

Get my drift.

Sort of...Americans didn't exist during the Middle ages.

I merely suggested moving on from an eighty years dead guy.

You stated that I never needed to do this.

Reciprocal prerogatives then.

Have another nice day.

It's estimated that up to 80 million people died as a result of WW2.

It is also estimated that up to 80 million people died as a result of Moa Zedong.

And the Indian sub-continent has certainly had it's fair share of conflicts, notably  WW2 and the partition era.

Though I think that it's fair to say, that although always notable, wars since WW2 involving Western nations, have not been as catastrophic in terms of population depletion.

I would therefore suggest that the distinction in population growth between Indo-China and the West, has more to do with social ideology and very little to do with conflict.

For sure, which is a distinction between a mind concept and actuality, and how the atheist or non-theist  might also see things.

Obviously as a non-theist I can still appreciate the possibility of a metaphysical interventionist entity.

Whereas the traditional Abrahamic theist accepts a God not as a possibility, but as a metaphysical certainty. Therein attributing said GOD with distinctly male human characteristics and qualities.

GOD created by man, in the image of man...And as a kid, I was subjected to theistic conditioning, wherein GOD was always portrayed and illustrated as such.

A despite what you say, I doubt that there are many Muslim kids who are not similarly inspired.

So, if  GOD is not a man, then what is it?

 I would suggest an indefinite metaphysical principle, which is an idea that I as a non-theist can happily run with and hypothesise about at length. Though in order to do so, I see absolutely  no reason to join a theistic club and subject myself to a bizarrely unnecessary ritualistic routine, in reverence to an indefinite metaphysical uncertainty.

So:

"Islam rejects characterising god in any human form or depicting HIM as."

"HE created  human beings."

"Nothing is comparable to HIM."

D'oh...Pronouns Homer, prounouns.

True.

For every arsehole there is a reproductive organ.

Yin and Yang.

Well, death in general will reduce population...This is a truism.

As birth will increase population

Though in terms of the human species, wars and abortion currently do not impact upon population growth.

Which would suggest that currently in terms of species success,  procreation and all factors that affect longevity are demographically more significant than abortion and war.

 There is a tendency for self valuing high intellect achievers to foster disrespect.

Ego and inevitable resentment.

Quiet modesty is perhaps the better way to earn a broader level of respect, in all areas of social and intellectual achievement.

Easier said than done.

See and respond.

Freedom of thought and expression.

Thankfully.

Not for you to decide what I might or might not need to do.

Have a nice day.

Ultimately, both theist and non-theist have to accept either infinite existence or magical creation.

Infinite existence does not require a GOD.

And magical creation requires an infinite magician.

Neither of which is metaphysically or epistemologically definitive.

Nonetheless, theistic hypotheses are recent concepts, relative to evolved species intellect. Wherein the inevitable assumption was that an evolved intellectual specimen is the infinite magician.

Which of course is not epistemologically definitive. (See above)

And in short, simply implies that thinking man must have created thinking man.

Whimsically negating any of thinking mans subsequent scientific and epistemological achievements.

All in all not a particularly strong argument.

So, the other guy who is not prepared to accept atheistic assumptions out of hand, realises that although inevitable, the MAN GOD hypothesis is not epistemologically sound.

Such is the argument.

If an argument at all.

That said, I would suggest that the ongoing debate tells us what we need to know.

Which is, that we don't know the answer to the ultimate question.

Which is by far the best argument for the non-theist.

You don't quite understand atheism Yas.

Atheism is basically not theism and therefore does not require a contrived belief system.

Atheists can hypothesise widely upon the origins of the Universe.

Whereas theists tend to pigeon hole themselves or be pigeon holed by there forebears,  into blindly accepting a particular set of folk tales as proof of everything ...A lot of which were made up only a couple of thousand or less years ago by humans...Generally involving a magic bloke

A magic bloke, who nonetheless must also comply with the something from nothing principle... A fact that theists are taught to casually brush aside without the need for any reasonable explanation.

So atheism is clearly a more rationalised approach to creation and existence theory.

Whereas theists are just given a book and told to run with it.

Hey sunshine.

It's a well known fact that Putin et al are are arseholes, and that Putin et al know that they are being arseholes.

Consequently, Putin et al don't give a toss what the UN resolves to do.

It's also a well known fact that the US, who think that they are the voice of the UN, also don't give a toss what the UN resolves to do without the US's say so.

It's also a well known fact that Trump et al think that they are the bee's knees and don't need to give a toss what the UN resolves to do without the US's say so.

So that still leaves a growing list of dead Ukrainian and Russian minions (and whosoever else cares to join the party).

And it's a well known fact that paranoid megalomaniacs don't give a toss about minions.

Same old human shit, especially for people who see no point in moving on.

I will not move on, because there's no point in doing so.

Erring on the nihilistic there sunshine.

Trouble with historical records is that there is no way of verifying the accuracy of the data.

Depends upon who recorded it, and for what purpose.

I tend not to concern myself with long time dead folk, unless it's for quizzing purposes.

Best.Korea being Best.Korea.

Dead 80 years.

Move on Sunshine.

One way of getting rid of Melanija.

Marriage is basically irrational.

Whereas multiple sex partners probably isn't.

Though perhaps it is wise to maintain a broad gene pool.

And no reason why two stupid ugly people would not necessarily produce a genius.

Which isn't to say that there are no reasons why they might not.

Ooooo.

The introduction of "reality" into your assertion, requires clarification.

Reality is what.

Or, which bit of everything that occurs, can rightly be regarded as reality.

For me, it is everything.

Perhaps you have other ideas Faux.

Certainly there will be others that see less importance than you do, in private industry and/or a government.

Yes, I'm aware of current trends.

I was loosely quoting longer term predictions.

But it still stands that the more people we keep alive for longer coupled with changing attitudes towards procreation, will inevitably create a proportionately older demographic.

Surgical and medical intervention keeps people alive.

Social attitudes towards procreation, limits birth rate...Not globally though.

So yes, world population is still on the increase, but disproportionally in terms of ethnicity, ideology and nation state.

Though it is thought that there will be an overall decrease in population growth, as social attitudes in rapidly developing countries changes.

Other, evolutionary or environmental factors might also add to a long term decline in species fertility.

Maybe.

Though carnival costumes tend to be deliberately dramatic.

Nah.

Nothing to do with abortion.

A statistically inaccurate assertion

A population will age, irrespective of the rate of abortion.

Clothes perform two functions.

Protection and modesty.

Modesty;

An intellectual animal that cannot come to terms with it's physicality, biology and sexuality, is sort of a contradictory creature.

Thanks in the main to medical and surgical intervention.

Hmmmmmm.

Men and Women both tend to wear undergarments for various reasons.

Bras are generally unnecessary as a support garment for men though.

I would suggest that skirts were somewhat more practical for urination purposes.

But modern women seem to have transcended that issue.

Fabrics and styling evolved to be representative of gender and sexuality.

Though as generations die off, then so will old established ideas.

Well, one has to assume that half the population was already slightly daft.

Obviously you are one of the other half.

Was America ever great?

Britain was great once, but we're never going to regain that status.

Yep, the older people get the more dependent upon medication they become.

If it weren't for medical intervention life expectancy and consequently population would reduce drastically.

Yep.

Big arms and spindly legs.

Sort of the Popeye look.

Nope Shila.

I distribute Meds to fat lazy people who have developed cellulitis and leg ulcers.

Not a pretty sight.

Me too Yas.

Ignorance is bliss hey?

Nah Yas.

Muslims weren't invented until the 7th century CE.

Underused legs with poor circulation are a big social health problem.

I see it all the time in my line of work.

#20

Sort of emphasises the fact that cooperation would achieve quicker results.

Therefore one could suggest that the status quo is an inbuilt genetic strategy.

Evolutionary checks and balances as it were.

Death is the sixth law.

Re-birth is the last and first.

Yep.

Counting up to 6, is clearly not a universal Law.

For sure, Trump is full of Bullshit.

The sad fact is that no one wants the Palestinians, not even their Arab brothers.

I guess they see them as just as big a problem as the Israelis do.

Empathetic rhetoric is just hollow words.

The solution as ever is just to keep supplying them with weaponry and spread anti-Jewish propaganda.

Reality is, that originally everyone was essentially the same.

But just look at what several thousand years of social and ideological factionalism as come to.

A civilised and intellectual species hey Yas...Don't make me laugh.

No real answer to common sense then Yas.

Just a cheap jibe.

So here's one for you.

A low IQ is what is shared by millions of miseducated numpties who bob up and down on carpets mumbling nonsense.

Which isn't to say that mumbling nonsense isn't a shared religious trait.

I think that it was you who I put a hypothetical question to previously; one which you neglected to address.

Have another go.

So, your brother rapes your wife.

Which one do you hug.

Your brother or your wife?

Symbiosis.

Could be.

But I'm guessing that GOD is Universese.

Nope.

I still don't believe anything.

Middle Eastern mythological religious baloney was made up 2 to 3 thousand years ago by war mongering ignoramuses.

Then it moved eastwards and became warmongering Islamic baloney.

Things haven't changed much.

But show me GOD in his intergalactic spaceship, and I will take my hat off to it.

It's the way it goes.

People aren't pissed of with Trump and friends yet.

Hey Hero.

If there was/is a GOD it would/will be chilled.

And say:

Hi Y'all, keep up the good work.

Bye for now back ASAP.

Could be 2000 years, might be 10000.

Depends what's going down elsewhere.

OOOh! Keep an eye open for asteroids.

That was two thousand years ago, before humans invented IT.

Odd that Mr Omni and his sidekick J are still not connected.

Yep, that's one way to make a living.

And there are obviously plenty of people willing to pay him to do so.

I can't knock it.

Cause and effect.

I'm not sure that the mind has spontaneous bursts of random reflection.

What do others think?

Well, plastic straws are a natural outcome of material evolution.

As will be everything that occurs tomorrow.

A general complacency with regard to the disposal of consumer products also seems to be a part of the process.

I'm not sure that kicking conservatives in the bollocks is going to make a whole lot of difference.

And neither will liberal complacency.

Do you think that there is one GOD or more than one GOD?