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Hey, the ongoing Russo-Soviet autocratic record for mass ethnic extermination, beats Hitler hands down.

So does it's total disregard for it's own cannon fodder and any internal dissent.

And you love these people...So perhaps you should buy a one way ticket and go sign up.

Ships are easily sunk, even with rudimentary ordinance.

As the Ukrainians proved.

A direct hit on a munitions and fuel laden ship is likely to end in total disaster.

Well, intelligence is as intelligence does.

And the current human ability to exponentially evolve matter into alternative data management systems, is a demonstrable testament to its intellectual capability.

So organic organisms took a while to get this far...But actually they only took as long as they did...Our retrospective impatience is inconsequential.

Though our current inability to comfortably exist beyond this planets protective shields, might suggest where the intellectual future lies.

Of course, intelligence might have no Greater universal significance...Which would imply, that neither does humanity.

Bedtime now BK.

Sleep tight she would say to me.

Lilac Earth Mother.

As in all events.

Buds spread crimson if and when

Ice and snow relents.

I'm guessing that there will be more than one Interventionist Super-Intelligence cruising the Universe.

Possibly three.

Maybe more.

And what did Mary say to daft Joe?

Jesus!

I'm pregnant, for God's sake.

Yep, these things quickly get misinterpreted.

No need to dash,

The future is,

Now,

Now,

Now,

Now,

In fact,

Time is so fast,

That the Past, present and future

Occur simultaneously.

Intelligence is intelligence.

Inorganic intelligence is just an Alternative.

Things will occur and we will fall into the scheme of things...Which is how it goes.

Which is how it will go.

Everything is history,

Apart from,

Now,

Now,

Now,

Now,

In fact,

Time is so fast 

That now is always then.

Nope, just testing nuclear weapons at a distance.

200000 civilians were just guinea pigs.

Was always going to be someone.

Clever stupid gene.

Or fight Bears.

Yep, closer to Russia, closer to North Korea.

So whilst Donald is sucking Vlads dick, Kim will be able to fuck Donalds arse.

HaHa and you think that Russia is democratic.

Well I doubt that the relatives of the 27000000 dead Russians and the 407000 dead Americans laughed much either.

But let's be honest, the Russian elite has never given a toss about the death of cannon fodder. 

And I doubt that MR Trump does either.

So, there a two ways to  totally duck out of a skirmish with Mr Putin.

1. Let down all your allies of the past 75 years or so, and jump into bed with Mr Putin and kiss his arse.

2. Encourage the Ukrainians to take up the skirmish, but keep it at a safe distance, and get some rare earth thrown in for your troubles.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Colonies are such, that all parts make a working whole.

Ok...Perhaps we don't need so many parts...But that's a separate issue.

Nonetheless, without a  hierarchy of both intellectual variety and physical ability, nothing would get done, and the system would not function.

And Faux, same as everyone else, would live in a hovel at the mercy of the big bad Wolves.

Thank goodness the Orange dick brain wasn't in charge back then. We know who would have sided with.

Well, recent skirmishes that the USA has started, have resulted in a total mess and a sharp exit when the going got tough.

At least the Ukrainians are sticking in there.

Trump wants to be GOD.

In a red hat.

Everything or nothing.

Let's just take Musk and Trump for comparison,

Two big egos, one the intellectual and the other....You work it out.

So no, ego is not necessarily an outcome of intellect.

Can you clarify what you mean by "productivity"?

Well, I wasn't really associating ego with intellect, as I didn't think that was the issue.

And I wouldn't argue that higher intellect should in the main, equate to to higher value.

Though I'm not certain what criteria you are using to calculate relative productivity. Or in fact, what you mean by productivity relative to IQ and associated value.

Do you just mean wealth accumulation?

Corruption is as corruption does.

Honour amongst thieves is how the saying goes.

And who is to say which is the more honourable bunch of thieves?

Find a niche, keep your head down, and let the thieves fight it out.

Hey.

The Middle ages period was between the 5th and 15th centuries.

The USA was founded in 1776.

Get my drift.

Sort of...Americans didn't exist during the Middle ages.

I merely suggested moving on from an eighty years dead guy.

You stated that I never needed to do this.

Reciprocal prerogatives then.

Have another nice day.

It's estimated that up to 80 million people died as a result of WW2.

It is also estimated that up to 80 million people died as a result of Moa Zedong.

And the Indian sub-continent has certainly had it's fair share of conflicts, notably  WW2 and the partition era.

Though I think that it's fair to say, that although always notable, wars since WW2 involving Western nations, have not been as catastrophic in terms of population depletion.

I would therefore suggest that the distinction in population growth between Indo-China and the West, has more to do with social ideology and very little to do with conflict.

For sure, which is a distinction between a mind concept and actuality, and how the atheist or non-theist  might also see things.

Obviously as a non-theist I can still appreciate the possibility of a metaphysical interventionist entity.

Whereas the traditional Abrahamic theist accepts a God not as a possibility, but as a metaphysical certainty. Therein attributing said GOD with distinctly male human characteristics and qualities.

GOD created by man, in the image of man...And as a kid, I was subjected to theistic conditioning, wherein GOD was always portrayed and illustrated as such.

A despite what you say, I doubt that there are many Muslim kids who are not similarly inspired.

So, if  GOD is not a man, then what is it?

 I would suggest an indefinite metaphysical principle, which is an idea that I as a non-theist can happily run with and hypothesise about at length. Though in order to do so, I see absolutely  no reason to join a theistic club and subject myself to a bizarrely unnecessary ritualistic routine, in reverence to an indefinite metaphysical uncertainty.

So:

"Islam rejects characterising god in any human form or depicting HIM as."

"HE created  human beings."

"Nothing is comparable to HIM."

D'oh...Pronouns Homer, prounouns.

True.

For every arsehole there is a reproductive organ.

Yin and Yang.

Well, death in general will reduce population...This is a truism.

As birth will increase population

Though in terms of the human species, wars and abortion currently do not impact upon population growth.

Which would suggest that currently in terms of species success,  procreation and all factors that affect longevity are demographically more significant than abortion and war.

 There is a tendency for self valuing high intellect achievers to foster disrespect.

Ego and inevitable resentment.

Quiet modesty is perhaps the better way to earn a broader level of respect, in all areas of social and intellectual achievement.

Easier said than done.

See and respond.

Freedom of thought and expression.

Thankfully.

Not for you to decide what I might or might not need to do.

Have a nice day.

Ultimately, both theist and non-theist have to accept either infinite existence or magical creation.

Infinite existence does not require a GOD.

And magical creation requires an infinite magician.

Neither of which is metaphysically or epistemologically definitive.

Nonetheless, theistic hypotheses are recent concepts, relative to evolved species intellect. Wherein the inevitable assumption was that an evolved intellectual specimen is the infinite magician.

Which of course is not epistemologically definitive. (See above)

And in short, simply implies that thinking man must have created thinking man.

Whimsically negating any of thinking mans subsequent scientific and epistemological achievements.

All in all not a particularly strong argument.

So, the other guy who is not prepared to accept atheistic assumptions out of hand, realises that although inevitable, the MAN GOD hypothesis is not epistemologically sound.

Such is the argument.

If an argument at all.

That said, I would suggest that the ongoing debate tells us what we need to know.

Which is, that we don't know the answer to the ultimate question.

Which is by far the best argument for the non-theist.

You don't quite understand atheism Yas.

Atheism is basically not theism and therefore does not require a contrived belief system.

Atheists can hypothesise widely upon the origins of the Universe.

Whereas theists tend to pigeon hole themselves or be pigeon holed by there forebears,  into blindly accepting a particular set of folk tales as proof of everything ...A lot of which were made up only a couple of thousand or less years ago by humans...Generally involving a magic bloke

A magic bloke, who nonetheless must also comply with the something from nothing principle... A fact that theists are taught to casually brush aside without the need for any reasonable explanation.

So atheism is clearly a more rationalised approach to creation and existence theory.

Whereas theists are just given a book and told to run with it.

Hey sunshine.

It's a well known fact that Putin et al are are arseholes, and that Putin et al know that they are being arseholes.

Consequently, Putin et al don't give a toss what the UN resolves to do.

It's also a well known fact that the US, who think that they are the voice of the UN, also don't give a toss what the UN resolves to do without the US's say so.

It's also a well known fact that Trump et al think that they are the bee's knees and don't need to give a toss what the UN resolves to do without the US's say so.

So that still leaves a growing list of dead Ukrainian and Russian minions (and whosoever else cares to join the party).

And it's a well known fact that paranoid megalomaniacs don't give a toss about minions.

Same old human shit, especially for people who see no point in moving on.

I will not move on, because there's no point in doing so.

Erring on the nihilistic there sunshine.

Trouble with historical records is that there is no way of verifying the accuracy of the data.

Depends upon who recorded it, and for what purpose.

I tend not to concern myself with long time dead folk, unless it's for quizzing purposes.

Best.Korea being Best.Korea.

Dead 80 years.

Move on Sunshine.

One way of getting rid of Melanija.

Marriage is basically irrational.

Whereas multiple sex partners probably isn't.

Though perhaps it is wise to maintain a broad gene pool.

And no reason why two stupid ugly people would not necessarily produce a genius.

Which isn't to say that there are no reasons why they might not.

Ooooo.

The introduction of "reality" into your assertion, requires clarification.

Reality is what.

Or, which bit of everything that occurs, can rightly be regarded as reality.

For me, it is everything.

Perhaps you have other ideas Faux.

Certainly there will be others that see less importance than you do, in private industry and/or a government.

Yes, I'm aware of current trends.

I was loosely quoting longer term predictions.

But it still stands that the more people we keep alive for longer coupled with changing attitudes towards procreation, will inevitably create a proportionately older demographic.

Surgical and medical intervention keeps people alive.

Social attitudes towards procreation, limits birth rate...Not globally though.

So yes, world population is still on the increase, but disproportionally in terms of ethnicity, ideology and nation state.

Though it is thought that there will be an overall decrease in population growth, as social attitudes in rapidly developing countries changes.

Other, evolutionary or environmental factors might also add to a long term decline in species fertility.

Maybe.

Though carnival costumes tend to be deliberately dramatic.

Nah.

Nothing to do with abortion.

A statistically inaccurate assertion

A population will age, irrespective of the rate of abortion.

Clothes perform two functions.

Protection and modesty.

Modesty;

An intellectual animal that cannot come to terms with it's physicality, biology and sexuality, is sort of a contradictory creature.

Thanks in the main to medical and surgical intervention.

Hmmmmmm.

Men and Women both tend to wear undergarments for various reasons.

Bras are generally unnecessary as a support garment for men though.

I would suggest that skirts were somewhat more practical for urination purposes.

But modern women seem to have transcended that issue.

Fabrics and styling evolved to be representative of gender and sexuality.

Though as generations die off, then so will old established ideas.

Well, one has to assume that half the population was already slightly daft.

Obviously you are one of the other half.

Was America ever great?

Britain was great once, but we're never going to regain that status.

Yep, the older people get the more dependent upon medication they become.

If it weren't for medical intervention life expectancy and consequently population would reduce drastically.

Yep.