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@AdaptableRatman.

You've been reading too many of those fantasy stories again.

It's called bedtime.

Maybe, maybe not, is the correct answer to a question that has variable implications and no definitive exemplar.

In my GODS eyes, atheists are cool.

It says, don't waste your time with all that sinning and praying nonsense.

Just have fun whilst you can.

Just like that dude who fucked that Mary's ass.

So stay indoors and never drive on the highway again and never walk on the sidewalk again, if you don't want to pay for their upkeep. Simple.

Actually, if you really want to be a non-contributing isolationist, probably best to head for the hills, pitch a tent in the forest and live off the land...And throw that phone away.

But watch out for bears.

Me...I'm quite content paying my taxes, because not only did I work hard and save money, I will also have my State pension to look forward too, and if I get ill I know that there is a National Health Service (albeit overstretched) that will do its best to help me.

Exactly.

All an internal construct based upon acquired data.

And for sure, you don't here words. You convert sound waves into internal noise, which you might regard as words or music etc.

Though internal word constructs relative to established data, is how it works for everyone...Nothing crazy about it.

As I type this message, I simultaneously hear the words in my head.

So GOD is your own internal simulation, based upon a similar hand me down simulation.

God said nothing.

Men wrote stories.

And without  a sophisticated life support system, you wouldn't last five minutes outside of the Earths atmosphere.

Actually, getting there wouldn't be a walk in the park.

OK, so there might be a few other habitable planets out there somewhere.

Just unknown specks of salvation in an otherwise hostile Universe.

Or it could all be a simulation.

@AdaptableRatman

Anyone born in Britain is native...Such is the definition of the word native.

And in terms of 6 million years of hominid dispersal around the globe, you only refer to the last 3 or 4  thousand years of European homogenisation.

Globally, a whole lot occurred before and since then.

And Celts are perhaps the first migrants and settlers, and their predominance in the western British Isles suggests that they were probably seafarers. Though little is actually known about them...But there is certainly a whole lot of romantic speculation.

So I am a native Brit.

As is my friend Quazi whose folks settled in Britain in the 1960's.

Though the reality is that we all live on a tiny speck of cosmic dust somewhere in a vast Universe, and there is nowhere else to go.

Earthlings all.

On the one hand you basically refer to a mutually beneficial relationship. 

And then you wander off into some fantasy Bollywood scenario where the pathetic woman is rescued by the dashing prince, and submits herself to him for evermore.

Content in the knowledge that she will never have to make a decision for her self, ever again...And I don't doubt that there women who are still conditioned to think that way....So best of luck to them.

But times are a changing Mall, and that is now not the norm in progressive Western societies, and social media is slowly spreading the message worldwide.

And contrary to your old fashioned beliefs, there are a whole lot of inadequate men out there, and a whole lot of clever women who ain't going to be bossed about by an intellectually subordinate man.

So a question Mall.

Your wife says that she is going out for the evening with her friends, and that you must stop at home and care for the children... Would you "support" her decision?

Hey, just caught me before I sign off and do other stuff.

9.30 am, Wales UK.

99% of religious  rhetoric is baloney.

And the other 1% is also the internal electrochemical rationalisation of the self within a perceivable universe.

And as an agnostic atheist, I too generate a notion of a GOD principle, in response to incoming data.

Nihilism is a similarly rationalised alternative, but comes with less fluff.

True dat.

Might as well just eat the cheese burger and the pizza.

Unless you have no teeth or suffer from dysphagia.

@AdaptableRatman

For sure, "Trans" was/is a social media cult that sucked/sucks in the gullible.

But hey, Trump, KIrk et al, also suck in the gullible.

As do pseudo-theoretical religious organisations.

The gullible inspired by the charismatic, is how society works.

@AdaptableRatman

Anyone born in the USA is native.

And those who refer to themselves as first nations, firstly migrated there from Asia, and are just as prone to racism as those who migrated there form Europe or wherever else, and have no more claim to the North American continent than anyone else does.

Yet more ideological baloney, wherein the history clock is stopped and started arbitrarily.

Earthlings are in fact, multi-coloured and multi-featured, relative to 6 million years or more, of hominid migration and evolution.

Of course you might have chosen to believe that a magic MANGOD waved a magic wand 6000 years ago.

But hey.

So you want to pay for infrastructure and social services. 

What is a better alternative fund raising process?...Other than a social institution that raises funds through taxation.

And how are you going to get people to part with their money without a metaphorical gun to their heads.

Sort of, will you please donate some money, so that we can resurface the highway.

So, Mr Caesar says certainly and hands over $20.

Whereas Mr Caesars neighbour says fuck you.

And anyway who are the ones rattling the collection tin, who you trust to spend your $20 wisely.

And paying private middlemen to manage social services has in a lot of instances, been found to be less than economical or efficient...For example in my local authority region, road services have reverted to in house provision and management.

And private middlemen who mange social services, are funded not by public donation, but through national or regional taxation overseen by the  government of the day...So you think that private contractors are angels who will always spend your money wisely....I would suggest, that they are hard headed business people who are primarily out to line their own pockets with your donations, and far less trustworthy or accountable than an elected government is.

And delivery services, are non-essential services, wherein the user can choose to either part with their money or not.

And in the UK, UPS is one of many delivery companies.

And currently in the US, business isn't booming for UPS...With reports of job losses and depot closures.

So sorry, the whole gun to the head, anti government taxation thing, is just another conspiracy theory.

Which isn't to suggest that all politicians are infallible.

But that said, all people are fallible.

So, you don't like paying taxes.

And I would rather not pay taxes.

But there isn't really a better alternative.

Though 65 years of experience tells me that if one is reasonably savvy, then taxation for national and regional services and infrastructure, is easily factored into ones personal budget, and one can still easily afford to send and receive parcels...In fact there is a plethora of other luxury and inessential services that one is able to afford.

For sure, "if" is the operative word.

Though in my opinion, mutually respectful relationships are far better than dominant/submissive relationships.

And if we substitute ignorance with belief, we end up with factional societies based upon fantasy ideology, and look at all the problems that causes.

Intelligence is intelligence.

Just depends upon how intelligence is applied.

Artificial simply implies non-human.

Alternative would be a better descriptive.

Trouble is, human intelligence comes weighted with emotion, misinformation and deliberate divisiveness.

One would hope that real AI will be more logical and pragmatic.

@AdaptableRatman

"Belief" in a religion is by definition founded upon a lie.

So the Son might as well perpetuate the lie in order to make life easy.

The Son can still be happy in the knowledge that religion is man made, made up MANGOD nonsense, and that people who enforce religious nonsense with threats of physical violence are just selfish c*nts.

FUCKING WANKERS.

Is a sort of  contradiction Deb.

Though might work as foreplay or ejaculation sequences in porn videos.

Not that I have ever watched porn videos of course.

G'day Bruce.

None of the above.

Better ones have been posted elsewhere.

And the name makes me think of either soft cheese triangles or old ladies quilting, and is absolutely no improvement on DebateArt.

So I abstain.

"Obey" has a specific meaning and intention.

It would better to ask if children should always go along with parental guidance and demands.

And as I stated, that would depend upon the demands of the parent.

It's a two way relationship where respect is earned and not forced upon.

The enforcement of obeyance, will inevitably lead to resentment and a psychological breakdown in the relationship.

Procreation is currently the dominant factor in species over-proliferation

Though procreation does not depend upon heterosexuality.

Just relies upon the fusion of gametes.

Though I'm guessing that heterosexual sex is still the majority choice, when it comes to the act of procreation.

Though when it comes to recreational fantasy sex, there are many options available.

I expect that you and Lucy still utilise the self administration option.

The Planet is currently the only supply of the resources needed to facilitate evolutionary progress.

And currently humans are the only ones capable of furthering the requirements/demands of material evolution.

Of course, Another Intelligence might manage things better...Or on the other hand, it might just say, fuck it, what's the point of Giraffes.

Though for sure, there may be absolutely no point to anything...So what the fuck indeed.

Yep, 1 is good.

So a private company is self funding, and funds itself within the constraints of it's trading abilities.

Whereas a national road network is one small facet of a nations budgetary demands.

I fail to see the comparison.

So people are more than happy to pay UPS to manage postal deliveries for them, but not happy paying to maintain the roads that postal deliveries rely upon.

So if people expect not to have to pay for social services and infrastructure, then why should they be expected to have to pay for postal deliveries.

So lets gift all 260000 miles of British roads to the brilliant UPS...Problem solved then...Is that what you're saying?

In fact, lets replace gun toting, extorting "Government" with UPS and get them to sort out the UK's annual bill of  £1200 billion.

Hmmmmm, sort of leaves them with a £1120 billion shortfall...And that's just in the UK.

That's going to put up the price of sending a parcel, just a tad.

More belief obsession.

So:

A. I prefer to be in a mutually beneficial relationship

B. The past is irretrievable.

C. I don't expect there to be any post death options.

Dumbass questions.

Overthinking is an evolutionary necessity, if humans or an AI are ever to escape this Earthly prison.

Evolution is more than flesh and bone.

Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Depends upon the parents and their demands.

There is a whole lot of difference between tidying a bedroom, and excessive physical and emotional demands.

As ever, you're trying to pigeonhole things that will never fit neatly into the pigeonhole.

Best case scenario is achieved through mutual respect and tolerance , rather than domination and obeyance.

Extorted seems to be your buzz word.

In your mind, what is being extorted?

And who is extorting?

And 9 out of 10 of them will piss it up the wall.

Not sure if you're familiar with this quaint British phrase.

So in the UK we have approximately 36 million vehicles plus agricultural machinery, all demanding to get from A to B as fast and as safely as possible.

It is logistically and financially impossible to provide and maintain 260000 miles of public roads in a constant state of perfection.

Annual budget is approximately £1.2 billion, backlog is approximately £16 billion, so that roughly equates to a 15 year backlog in road maintenance.

And roads are but one requirement of an overdemanding population.

So Debunker instead of just critical analysis, what is your perfect masterplan for how a Nations infrastructure and services can be paid for.

And who is going to do all this work.

Well let's retrain the millions of idle dorks that sit on their backsides all day complaining...(Oops, just increased the budget). Assuming that we can detach them from their smartphones and get them to pay attention for more than a second.

As for getting their hands dirty...Does the Pope shit golden eggs.

Always liked Lynch.

He challenged the stereotypical propaganda style feelgood, defender of justice, super heroic, all's well in the end style garbage that spewed out of the American film industry....Which always came packaged with the obligatory romance between two perfect American specimens and the vanquishment of the hideous.

As I stated, I support the right of the individual to be self-determining.

Therefore I'm not particularly impressed by old style religious patriarchy.

And you are obsessed with the futile concept of belief.

I do not believe anything Mall.

I either know something, or I do not.

So Debunker, what's the alternative to government.

Answer...Another government, that needs to raise taxes in order to pay for social infrastructure and services.

Social infrastructure and services that you clearly take for granted.

Yep it's always cool to be a radical anti-establishment firebrand.

Critical rating is a niche exercise and is overrated.

Revolution usually relies upon the gullible to do the revolting.

It's the only thing that they're any good at.

Other than fucking their relatives and chewing grass. (This is satire and not hate speech. But if the caps fit and all that).

And I didn't mention red caps. (This is also satire).

New woke is the new woke.

And knee surgery doesn't seem to have inhibited your fingers.

Hope all is well.

Perhaps an appeal process would be more pertinent.

Wherein the subject can make an appeal to the moderators if they so wish.

And fellow members can be called upon to offer their opinions, if they so wish.

Ultimately, reverting to the discretion of the moderation team.

A "trial" inevitably becomes a primary rather than secondary authoritative body, that will undermine, challenge and negate the principles of elected moderation.

Money is a commodity, and the accumulation thereof, is a valid skill and profession.

Social taxation is a separate issue, wherein all members contribute towards the running of collective infrastructure and services.

Taxation is usually the remit of a social institution overseen by government.

If A. is a more skilful and proficient money-maker than B.

Why should A. necessarily contribute more to the social fund?

Especially if B. is more likely to demand more in social support.

As I suggested previously.

Jealousy and resentment of intellectual and financial success, is the remit of the financially and intellectually unsuccessful.

1. If required.

 Lemming.

 Savant.

2. Rebranding is unnecessary, but hey.

So I abstain.

3. A job for the moderators.

But Yes.

4. I generally abstain.

Hmmmmmmmmmm.

I would further suggest, that philosophy in a broad sense, proposes theories.

And science tests them.

And Challenges are multidisciplinary.

Fortunately, British Society supports women who are abused by their husbands.

But of course a lot of abuse is hidden behind closed doors.

Other than that, people must make their own choices, and I support their right to choose.

Hopefully you support an individuals right to self determination.

Or is dominating women your thing?

Hmmmmmm.

Plausibility is a woolly objective.

And unknowns are there to be philosophically challenged.

However you categorise them.

Take you shoes off.

And which child is the one dying of Malaria?

It is estimated that between 13000 and 16000 children die per day.

So times that by 50, and that leaves me with a daily moral obligation of between $650000 and $800000 per day.

Typical Mall.

No, I don't believe. ( And impudent of you to suggest that you know that I do).

I have no beliefs.

I know what I know, and I don't know what I cannot know.

Equality is a property relative to things that are equal.

Whereas, similarly equal is a contradiction in terms.

So a kilogram is equal to a kilogram.

Whereas water and sugar are not equal.

What I do know, is that my wife and I are are mutually beneficial.

And our relationship is not based upon archaic religious honour and obey tosh.

OK.

I literally mean what I say.

In so much as relative mind games have no solutions.

Though thermodynamics is essentially what it implies.

And entropy is seemingly contradictory  but easily demonstrable.

Within its own biospherical context life is a self charging hybrid.

Wherein it recycles and temporarily inhibits entropy

Only limited by the thermodynamic capabilities and external properties of a star.

So do I conclude that that the emergence of life is due to the laws of thermodynamics?

Undoubtedly.

Specifically entropy?

Not specifically.

So a question for you.

What specifically is life?

And does it serve a purpose (greater than itself).

Material existence and evolution.

A crazy lot of it.

I won't comment on the spelling Doc.

But you need to take something for the explosions.

Because I'm guessing that things could get a bit messy.

Let's say you were making love with a beautiful Catholic girl, and BOOM.