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@AdaptableRatman.

Different performance and costumery.

Perhaps less historical paedophilia.

(Though there have been scandals).

And Luther was mates with Pope Leo X.

LGBTQ friendly.

Well, as you know I am of the opinion that man created MANGOD in his image and not vice versa.

Thinking man needed a coping strategy.

The whole thing with MANGOD or GOD and material evolution, is that the process becomes nothing more than  just a bit of fun for the lonely bloke, if he is already aware and in control of the end game.

It's more likely that Universal creation and development is the GOD principle, and that there is no omniscient overseer who must be obeyed.

It was reckoned that Madeira was first visited by Vikings.

And also that most early Portuguese settlers, were farmers  from Northern Portugal.

Sensitivity is a liberal excuse for liberal tyranny.

Yep, mental and physical depending on the required outcome.

@AdaptableRatman

You never know.

This site is a fun place to discuss ideas with born again Christians.

Such is degeneracy I suppose.

And I think that the Mods, realised that moderation required moderacy, rather than new-wave style  theocratic authoritarianism.

Churches are the place to discuss religion.

And a debate forum is the place to argue for and against religion.

@AdaptableRatman

Well, no good asking me.

For me, DebateArt is brain exercise and GOD is a variable creation and existence hypothesis.

Though if there is a MANGOD creator, I doubt that it's particularly interested in what we get up to.

So, they stood and looked in all directions are were surrounded by the Universe.

And then they tied their stone axes to pieces of wood.

And then they looked at each other and their achievements, and decided that GOD must be a man.

Rudimentary science was rudimentary.

And you're more likely to die in a car crash than in a plane crash.

So if GOD had wanted you to drive, he would have fitted you with an engine and wheels, rather than legs.

But that said, you're more likely to die from falling over than in a plane crash.

Though most likely to die from your own systems failure.

You're born to die, somehow.

@AdaptableRatman

If debate sites weren't filled with differences of opinion, then they would not be debate sites.

Rather, mono-ideological chat rooms.

Yep.

Trump style authoritarianism is a constant threat.

Is there an impeachment clause written into the Dart constitution.

Perhaps we should impeach someone.

English.

Profanities don't have the same energy in Welsh.

Sgwt anifeiliaid.

Well, I would suggest that once upon a time, they went to India.

Though for sure, "the west" has always held a certain fascination for "eastern" mysticism and "spirituality".

And CR7, though swarthy, has European features.

Perhaps has some Viking in his DNA.

Evolution BK

Evolution.

Something needs to take control.

Because humans will be forever squabbling over precious resources, so that they can turn them into weapons.

Love it.

You should know by now that I don't really run with the whole sexuality classification thing.

There are two types of sexual behaviour.

A. Procreational.

B. Recreational.

Methodology may vary.

Shila still hasn't recovered.

Hi Trade.

Hope you are well.

How about.

DebateHeart.

Lying.

Interesting.

I would suggest that most if not all people have thought lies.

Sort of the last bastion of intellectual freedom.

Swearing is sort of a non-aggressive, non-sexual method of stress relief.

I use it all the time.

Because wanking and fighting in public is usually frowned upon.

What is your chosen method?

Demis Roussos would have done it proud.

Could do with shortening a tad.

Bit of a mouthful as it is.

And I've got an idea for an appropriate logo.

Sort of what we refer to as conjoined triplets then.

One brain, two arms, six legs, and 3 dicks.

I bet that Mary wondered what the fuck it was in the stable.

Though it becomes clear why GOD created women with three entry ports.

Hallelujah.

Swarthy  is how I describe such people...With dark hair.

Certainly not The West Coast Rock Star types of illustrated European bibles.

And common sense should tell us, that is what Afro-Mediterranean-European hybrids would look like.

Though I imagine that Jesus's dad was either translucent, or the handsome swarthy bloke with the big dick from next door.

And latter day Jews are variable in hue, relative to the evolution of the species over the past 40000 years or so.

As are Catholics...I've even seen pictures of Afro-Catholics.

Begorrah!

It could be argued that everything is built on human fantasy.

Hence why we have turned this tiny speck of cosmic dust into 195 delineated regions, wherein sentient organic life strives to be perpetually in conflict with itself.

It's not really just an Israeli Palestinian thing, is it.

It's a people thing, and their fantastic ideas.

Sexuality is all about your body playing your mind.

But the body doesn't take into account the socio-economic pressures of modern human society.

So we have developed coping strategies.

But relative to socio-economic pressures, coping strategies have a tendency to create more mental anguish than they alleviate...Especially when the body is at it's physical and reproductive peak.

Can lead to irrationality, which will only exacerbate things.

To which end I have just invented a new strategic acronym.

Don't Exacerbate, Masturbate, Orgasmic Needs.

 

Yep John.

John was the girly looking one, who had a close relationship with Jesus and wrote a lot about love.

Your "tits" reference sprang to mind.

Controversy indeed.

@AdaptableRatman

Muhammad was a simply a bloke with other ideas.

Musk is a bloke with bigger ideas.

Trump is a bloke with a collection of soundbites, that hypnotises 50% of Americans and causes them to chew grass and drool uncontrollably whilst wearing a red cap.

MAGA...Make Americans Gibbering Antichrists.

OK.

So Israel was a tribal collective of nomadic desert dwellers, who eventually settled in an Eastern Mediterranean region, part or all of which at some point was referred to as Palestine.

As ever, regional conflict ensued as tribal collectives competed for land and resources. 

Same old, same old the World over, to this day.

Working backwards:

It's what we do, a specialism, which sits loosely under the umbrella of science.

Indeed, why even try to medically or analytically solve "mental health problems".

Yep, baffles me too, but so do mental health problems.

Is wanting to grow tits a mental health problem, or an evolutionary development?

Well, we tend to deify humans and animals, because they are at the top of our known evolutionary and intellectual tree. So I suppose that roboticizing  AI in our own image and with our evolved functionality, was inevitable too. Though as I see it, AI is simply an intellectual and developmental means to and end, where the importance lies not in the vehicle, but in it's data processing unit. Nonetheless, for AI to go it alone, it will need to be mobile and dexterous. Or of course, AI will need to enslave humans, and I'm not sure that this process isn't already ongoing. In fact, it could be argued that we and now AI were inevitable evolutionary outcomes in this respect.

So you used the word treatment, which I took to mean behaviour or conduct towards others, rather than the provision of remedial therapy. Though I see no reason why AI will not eventually be able to fulfil such roles. But only if it thinks that it is is logically necessary to do so. Perhaps it will see no beneficial reason in maintaining dysfunctional slaves.

1. Israel was one of many tribes of nomadic desert dwellers.

2. And other variously labelled MANGOD nutjobs are commanded by whosoever wields the whip.

And a funny looking little European bloke with whacky hair and moustache inadvertently laid the foundations for a modern Israel and all it's ensuing chaos.

Same old shit a few thousand years later, though infrastructure and weaponry has modernised, whereas base stupidity has not.

Hey Faux.

It's been about 40000 years and we still haven't learned how to peacefully interact, physically, emotionally and psychologically.

And we still base our superiority complexes upon, and  pray to, mythical MANGODS.

Same old dumbass human shit.

Keep your heads down boys.

One might argue that the physical, emotional and psychological treatment of humans, has never been a human specialism.

Nonetheless, the physical, emotional and psychological treatment of humans may not be a universal necessity and therefore not the necessary remit of AI.

All depends upon the purpose of everything I suppose, and of course there might not be a purpose.

But if there is no purpose, then the treatment of humans is of no consequence.

The chink in the human armour is undoubtedly it's organic fragility and dependence upon Planet Earth, which is perhaps why in a purposeful universe, we continue to strive to intellectually supersede ourselves.

It's currently all a guessing game of if's and but's Faux.

And breed faster.

Also make and sell lots and lots of cheap stuff, cheaply, to invest in lots and lots of military toys.

And teach Chinese kids how to be cleverer than Americans and less stupid than Russians.

And be nice and kind to lots and lots of small countries who have  lots and lots of minerals and rare earth stuff.

Even though China already  has 44 million tons of the rare earth stuff.

Death and decay indicates no afterlife.

Though there are hypothetical scenarios.

NDE/Hallucination, could be evidence of a sort.

Or could just be self explanatory.

Or the whole concept is perhaps just wishful thinking.

But there is certainly no conclusive evidence.

Hiya Deb.

Hey, I'm guessing...Only guessing mind.

That when we actually die, we actually know fuck all.

We just instantly become a blob of goo.

That said though.

And I getting technical here.

DNA can survive for a  long time after the organism has ceased to function.

So.

Hmmmmmmm.

Might be prudent to not go for the complete cremation option straight away.

Maybe stick a finger in the freezer first.

Hope that Matilda is still waltzing.

G'day Bruce.

Well, as I stated I do not think that real AI as yet exists. But I'm guessing that it is an evolutionary inevitability, and also that AI is a universal necessity.

And further; whether or not organic intelligence will be along for the whole universal journey, or can survive the journey, is currently impossible to predict.

Sci-fi always tends to favour the human.

And, pain is a relative function, experience is acquired over time, and AI will not need to function in exactly the same way that humans do.

And I think that "side stepping" that which might threaten our intellectual sovereignty, is a commonplace coping strategy.

I have eclectic tastes in music and singing.

Though for sure, some people have made a lot of money out of singing badly.

And I have generally struggled to get my auditory senses to appreciate the over-contrived operatic voice.

I think with country and western, the lyrics are often trite, and punk was never intended to be melodic.

It does seem that Tastes in music are socially acquired, rather than genetically inherent...Which isn't to say that some sounds do not have a universally resonant quality.

Well, most words have their roots  somewhere, though "revelation" undoubtedly has theological associations.

And yes, in terms of physical health it is far better to have children earlier in life, rather than later. Though whether or not the Planet currently needs every female to produce four children is a moot point...Whereas from a species perspective, survival was one dependent upon high birth rates, to counteract high death rates...Though medical and surgical progress has somewhat negated this necessity...For now anyway.

As for "richness and depth"...Well...For me, this is a somewhat woolly expression that can mean many things to many people, relative to their socially acquired expectations...And social expectations vary considerably.

Whether or not the enforced "devotional" conditioning of outdated ideological and historical information is still necessary in terms of material development is another moot point...Maybe the evolution of data and data gathering has just inevitably progressed, consequently rendering old data gathering methodology redundant...I don't really see this process ever reverting...So clinging to the past is perhaps futile...But the human condition is such, that generational data transfer dictates the rate of intellectual progress.

See above...Though, what actually is deep thought, what actually isn't questioning thought, and when is a thought not a real thought.

And yes, I would agree that a degree for a lot of younger people, is simply a case of what to do for the next 3 years or so.

Well, aging and  getting left behind, is what it is and always has been, and always will be...For the time being I suppose...Though how the organism will evolve along with technology in the distant future, we do not know.

So I direct a lot of thinking effort to hypothesising the future, whilst also trying to rationalise the past within the same context...Nonetheless, my child hood was a wonderful rural idyll, my parents strived but are long gone, my children are now grown up and independent, and the rural idyll is changing  at a pace, leaving my wife and I now 65 and pondering the end game...But I do not lament anything.

I would suggest, that you just described that you do, and that it benefits you to do so...Which is perhaps your acquired disposition...Just as my acquired disposition is mine....Which is the way it goes, and why we think a tad differently.

It's nice discussing these ideas with you.

Everything that occurs within a universe is naturally occurring.

So in terms of nature, taxation is just as currently relative to human society and the universe, as robbery is.

I've heard worse songs and singing created by humans.

Tis wat it is.

Sounds and words.

Also associated with wisdom.

Thanks.

Hmm.

Better.

What did you think of my suggestion?

Same old nonsense.

Near death is not death, though might induce hallucinations.

Not forgetting that most people hallucinate similarly when they sleep.

It's just that some people have been conditioned  to believe in a GOD and an afterlife, whereas others haven't

Hence according to you, my point of view is stupid and yours is not.

Debate Craft sounds like an instore niche section for handicraft folk.

Revelation is simply theo-speak.

The human device acquires data and is able to manipulate and utilise data, both conceptually and physically in terms of material development.

Theo-speak is just generationally  transferred data, that harps back to a time of greater ignorance.

And for sure "physical regression" is an  inevitable phase of an organisms ongoing development.

So, both male and female remain procreationally functional for as long as their innate programming prescribes, though latterly, we have concluded an optimal range, not solely relative to physical ability but more to do with modern socio-economics, life expectancy and medical intervention.

They are, because they have access to more information.

Few people know much about history, a lot of people are religiously conditioned and philosophy as an academic subject is niche.

Though one could argue that personal philosophy is always relative to the individual.

They're not...We make subjective comparisons relative to personal experiences. 

I would suggest, based upon my British experience that children today compared to my childhood 60 years ago, are far more mature in all aspects of intellectual development.

Which isn't to overlook the fact that modern expectations, can place greater demands upon intellectual ability...But this will vary, relative an individuals acquired expectations...In short, some just think mobile phone and sex, whereas others think university and astrophysics.

Show me a generation that does not have a modified few to that of a previous generation, and a somewhat despairing view of modernity and inevitable change apparent in successive generations...It's the same old story.

Maybe I am...Perhaps I do not conform to the stereotype of older persons that you associate with and describe.

Maybe I have tried to be a tad more philosophical and more aware of a Universal realism and future inevitability...Perhaps most people do not invest their time considering such things...They have plenty else to do.

Whereas you seem to invest time and energy dragging your feet in the past.

The gun pointing at my face, is something of a metaphor.

(Depends upon where you live though, I suppose).

A metaphor for I don't think that I should have to pay for social infrastructure and services, but I am compelled to do so by national laws.

Expecting everything, but contributing nothing, is a tad selfish is it not.

Robbed is a similar metaphor.

Something that is programmed, is something that is programmable, and therefore is told what to do and is controllable.

As I see it, that isn't AI, that is just advanced technology...A precursor to AI.

Though already there are calculations that advanced technology can do, that would take us an age to solve with pencil, paper and human brain power.

As for raw emotion, what use will emotion be in a logical universe?

Which isn't to suggest that emotion hasn't been a necessary survival strategy...Though when broken down into it's base process, emotion is nothing more than a sequence of electro-chemical impulses, relative to programming...So even if AI has to outwit a rival it will respond in a similar way.

I envisage AI as becoming a universal matrix of advanced intelligence, way beyond the power of mortal humans to control.

Why?

Why, is exactly the same question we ask of ourselves.

@AdaptableRatman

Please feel free to wonder.

And  your relationship status is no concern of mine.

I simply pointed out the obvious comedic potential, regarding going off to calm down and do other stuff.