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@ADreamOfLiberty
A "perfect GOD" would show up regularly for a chat and a sort out.
And certainly wouldn't be the stupid fecker from the comedy bible.
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@FLRW
A lot of your people probably have degenerative eye conditions.
I bet younger people think you look like Billy Idol.
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@Shila
For sure, wealth accumulation is one measure of success, that is sometimes regarded as success in a materialistic society.
Still has to get up to go to the bathroom and wipe her own arse.
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@Shila
I think that children have an inherent knack, that takes a while to develop.
Gravity just means that we live on the floor rather than the ceiling.
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@Mall
@Shila
These days.
Archaic sociological endeavours that haven't kept up with the pace of material and intellectual progress.
Though philosophically the concept still works at an analogical level.
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@sadolite
Nah, you do get it.
I can see you grinning.
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@Shila
For sure, they're connected these days.
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@Shila
Teach kids nonsense and they will grow up believing in nonsense.
Same old, same old.
And fat chance of changing things any time soon.
And so, how many millions of times have Christians transgressed?
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@Shila
Do you check all the boxes that Jesus did before declaring himself the saviour of the lost sheep of Israel?
Well, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Though I'm sure that Trump declares himself to be the saviour of the lost sheep of The U.S.A.
Such people spring up from time to time, and have a habit of creating more social problems than they solve.
So an itinerant tribe of Middle Easterners establishes a homeland under the guidance of Captain Fantastic, and look what happens.
All the problems of the World...Solved then?
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@Shila
Hey Shila.
I'm an atheist and I think that it's reasonable to assume that that there was a Jesus character who was remembered in Middle Eastern folklore.
Belief is unnecessary.
And if there was a Super-Intelligent Interventionist Creator, it would be exactly that.
And as an atheist I think that S.I.I.C, is a reasonable proposition; whereas a magical beardy bloke that does stupid stuff, isn't .
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@sadolite
You don't get it?
It's a philosophical discussion in a philosophical forum.
And nothing to do with a personal "belief" in anything.
Makes a change from discussing the weather.
Nah...I'm sure you get it really.
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@Owen_T
Hey Owen.
The Bible is a collection of folk tales, archaic sociology and naive creation theory.
And shouldn't be taken too seriously.
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@Shila
No energy, no matter.
But.
Time and space are constant intangible potentials.
So,
"Nothing would be happening".
Therefore as you clearly indicated, nothing has a duration, that requires time and space.
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@sadolite
So.
What is it within your physiological make up, that causes you to give a fuck?
Is it nothing to do with genetic inheritance and brain function?
Functionality as I referred to it.
Do you think that it is a sort of energy that seeps in from the outside?
Discussion for the sake of discussion is variant on the theme of overthink...That's all.
It makes a change.
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@Shila
There's a difference in expectancy, that alters ones appreciation.
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@sadolite
TeeHee.
T'was only 37 words.
But I doo actually think that those 37 longwinded words, did succinctly answer your enquiry.
A. "Why", is the big question.
B. I suggested that we are programmed, to give a fuck.
C. Discussing such things in a philosophy forum, isn't to deny that what we experience makes us not not give a fuck.
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@FLRW
Lyrics without music, is like spaghetti without sauce.
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@sadolite
I wasn't looking for philosophical responses.
Why you in the philosophy forum den?
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@Shila
It also means picking winners. Tylor Swift is a winner.
Not sure of the significance of that statement.
Though I'm not much of a music buff.
I've never heard Tylor Swift sing, and couldn't name one of her songs.
And I don't feel like I'm missing anything.
She might actually sound OK.
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@Shila
Such success relies upon good marketing and the adulation of sycophants with money to burn.
Outsheeping the sheep, as the saying goes.
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@sadolite
If you think that time, space and matter don't exist, then why the fuck do you live life as though they do.
Such is the big question Sadolite.
Though at a functional level, one might suggest that the answer is programming.
So, I would further suggest that philosophical ramblings are simply a distraction, rather than a denial of function.
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@Lemming
@Shila
I think therefore I am aware.
Without sensory awareness the Universe would be non-existent.
Because existence and substance are concepts only relative to a conceiver and an observer.
Even then, everything we seemingly perceive, is no more than an internal reconstruction.
We assume that it is an accurate reconstruction.
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@FLRW
Hey.
In a society riven with the hypocrisies of religiously inspired sexual repression, foreign sex workers are a godsend.
Hallelujah.
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@RemyBrown
As a species we have developed the specialism of overthink.
And consequently do some clever stuff and some daft stuff.
So social development has been to a greater extent been founded upon sexual repression.
And the consequences of sexual repression is RemyBrown et al.
Penises, vaginas and hormones.
Who needs them Remy?
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@Shila
Generational data transfer is what it is.
As was/is ideo-political population management...AKA Religion and other strategies.
But still no further forwards in knowing the answer to the ultimate question.
All a testament to the intellectual limitations of the human species.
But for sure, magic blokes have always been a popular choice.
Logically so I suppose.
In so much as blokes were/are a tad reluctant to defer to a greater non-bloke.
NB. "Bloke" is simply a general reference to the development early Middle Eastern creation hypotheses.
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@Shila
The Bible eyewitnesses have withstood the test of time.
Quite frankly, the above statement resolves nothing.
If a book of myths and legends is reprinted, then it is reprinted.
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@Mall
Yep, the trinity is just theological gobbledegook.
Now, scones jam and cream is a trinity worthy of my adulation.
Which isn't to preclude the alien seeding hypothesis, whereby seeders might have worked in teams of three.
A Father a Son and a Mum.
AKA. Ged, Jess and Holly Ghost.
From the distant Planet Heven.
Information does tend to get distorted after a while; especially if it has been translated and transcribed a hundred times.
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@Shila
Yep, human society is full of "eyewitness" accounts of aliens, bigfoot, yeti, marine monsters, ghosts etc.
So you accept without question, that all eyewitness accounts are credible evidence, do you?
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@Greyparrot
A 1.7% margin of popularity is very little ground to make up.
What usually happens is that the incumbent group are likely or not to loose popularity.
Which will depend upon their ability to actually make any difference to the lives of the ordinary citizen.
So I think that it is more of a case of what will the Republicans do to hold on to power.
As for the Democrats, an eloquent, inspirational, incorruptible leader would be good; but is this possible in U.S. politics?
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Is it the low budget remake that you are referring to?
Willy's Wonka in the chocolate fuctory.
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@Mall
"Belief", means to accept something, but not necessarily something that is true.
As an atheist, in the typical Middle Eastern creator hypothesis sense, I certainly do not believe such concepts..
In fact, in a general sense I do not believe, because belief tends to come weighted with futile expectation relative to overthink.
But of course, data management and conceptualization, are nonetheless a species specialism.
Nonetheless this whole conversation is nothing more than internal electro-chemical data management, and the transfer of expounded thoughts and ideas.
Therein for all I suppose, can lie the realm of a GOD or any other fantasy.
Though some conclude to believe that such fantasy realms actually exist elsewhere...Not me though.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Well stated Deb
For sure.
Mary possessed a soft pussy ass.
That GODDOMAN split for a second
And he tweaked and messed and kept cumming.
Until he softened.
And the Cat sat on the mat licking it's own pussy ass.
And if your doing solids in jail, your not eating enough fibre.
Yep, butt shit soft and following, is what you do want.
I'm guessing this is what you're trying to say.
G'day Cobber.
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@Mall
Atheists do not believe.
That there is a known deity.
Because deistic hypotheses are based on weak evidence.
And the title would benefit from a bit of grammatical tinkering.
Though for sure, in terms of lexical definition, any repetition of thought or behaviour can be regarded as religious.
Such is the variability of words and definition.
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@Hero1000
Disagreement is good.
For sure, people are extravagantly complex in form and function.
Though in terms of basic post natal data programming, people are most susceptible to influence when they are children.
In that respect I am a conditioned atheist.
Though there is nothing "stopping" me from taking on board theist data, and noticing value in creator theory.
But this does not make me a theist.
More of a pragmatist, with no interest in ritual devotion to the theory.
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@Greyparrot
A famous curse I've infamously never heard of before.
Nonetheless, I'm of down to my local restaurant to make some wishes.
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@n8nrgim
Different regional GOD clubs, different approach to ritual and worship.
Different buildings with varying excesses of interior and exterior design, usually associated with regional and national wealth.
Different associated ideology aimed at population control.
Not disputing the connection between church and intellectual development though.
Varying approaches to penis vagina angst, which eventually got RC's into a spot of bother.
All based upon Middle Eastern folk tale creation theory myth.
And further afield there are other clubs doing all sorts of other whacky stuff.
Life's rich tapestry, as it were.
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@RemyBrown
Not sure how killing an unprogrammed baby, would sit with anti-abortionists.
Though the simple answer to the question is no I wouldn't.
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@IlDiavolo
Spain is fine.
A great country for cycling.
And tourism from Britain and elsewhere has a huge financial input into the Spanish economy.
Never heard the pirate reference before; it's probably a throwback to seafaring colonial days.
There will always be ardent nationalists in just about every country, who are fearful of those that don't conform to their national stereotype.
Which in my opinion, is backward thinking in a World shrunk by technology.
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@sadolite
And of course, scientists will theorise or produce statistics on the basis of how much they are being paid and by whom.
So we make decisions based upon...that which influences us the most.
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@IlDiavolo
How ya doing IlDiavolo.
For sure, find crazy people and they will tell you crazy stories.
HaHa.
But, thinking logically and critically.
It is highly likely that other reasonably advanced lifeforms exist elsewhere.
But less likely that they would possess the super-technology needed to get here.
Also, no reason why said lifeforms would be anymore advanced than ourselves.
And we are light years away from interstellar or intergalactic travel.
Unmanned or unaliened devices are perhaps more likely.
And have you seen the recent flooding in Southern Spain?
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@WyIted
Over here the age of consent is 16.
So 17 is OK in my book anyway.
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@IlDiavolo
@Mharman
@FLRW
Aliens are currently not known to exist.
And UFO's are what they are.
And some people like to think that UFO's are more than what they are.
Over here in the UK there are people who want to believe that distant or hazy footage of domestic cats is evidence of big cats.
Such is imagination.
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@Lemming
@befairbruh
Thoughts
Hierarchical social systems are more or less fair.
All systems work on the basis of someone telling someone else what to do.
And undeniably a lot of people need or want to be told what to do.
And certain people inevitably end up telling them what to do.
Those that naturally fall down the social pile are rarely content, because modern materialistic expectation is an essential part of social programming.
In any system a certain amount of pressure is necessary in order to achieve stability.
I prefer the UK , when compared to Russian or North Korean systems.
Though what ordinary Russians or North Koreans actually think is only for the stupid or very brave to say.
But of course, like everyone else, I am specifically programmed.
The difference being though:
I can freely criticise the British system.
How much wealth or possession I can accrue is solely down to me.
My advice is:
Find an affordable niche and condition oneself to be content with less than one doesn't need.
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@sadolite
The scientific method only works if it is used.
Yep, that's a truism for sure.
And if the scientific method is ignored, then like I suggested, the result is conspiracy theory and sci-fi.
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@WyIted
HaHa.
I See you slipped a kiddie into the conservation.
Though Matt Gaetz and all that.
Must be legal on his home planet.
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@sadolite
I would suggest that actual scientific method, is based upon scepticism.
Whereas it's easy to loose track and descend into the realms of conspiracy theory and sci-fi.
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@Mall
@cristo71
@Hero1000
Teach your kids nonsense and they will grow up believing in nonsense.
Is how it works.
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@FLRW
Under instructions from the home planet, perhaps.
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@ebuc
Republican Christians trying to stop all porn production.
The epitome of hypocrisy.
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