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@Yassine
Ultimately, both theist and non-theist have to accept either infinite existence or magical creation.
Infinite existence does not require a GOD.
And magical creation requires an infinite magician.
Neither of which is metaphysically or epistemologically definitive.
Nonetheless, theistic hypotheses are recent concepts, relative to evolved species intellect. Wherein the inevitable assumption was that an evolved intellectual specimen is the infinite magician.
Which of course is not epistemologically definitive. (See above)
And in short, simply implies that thinking man must have created thinking man.
Whimsically negating any of thinking mans subsequent scientific and epistemological achievements.
All in all not a particularly strong argument.
So, the other guy who is not prepared to accept atheistic assumptions out of hand, realises that although inevitable, the MAN GOD hypothesis is not epistemologically sound.
Such is the argument.
If an argument at all.
That said, I would suggest that the ongoing debate tells us what we need to know.
Which is, that we don't know the answer to the ultimate question.
Which is by far the best argument for the non-theist.
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@Yassine
You don't quite understand atheism Yas.
Atheism is basically not theism and therefore does not require a contrived belief system.
Atheists can hypothesise widely upon the origins of the Universe.
Whereas theists tend to pigeon hole themselves or be pigeon holed by there forebears, into blindly accepting a particular set of folk tales as proof of everything ...A lot of which were made up only a couple of thousand or less years ago by humans...Generally involving a magic bloke
A magic bloke, who nonetheless must also comply with the something from nothing principle... A fact that theists are taught to casually brush aside without the need for any reasonable explanation.
So atheism is clearly a more rationalised approach to creation and existence theory.
Whereas theists are just given a book and told to run with it.
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@Sunshineboy217
Hey sunshine.
It's a well known fact that Putin et al are are arseholes, and that Putin et al know that they are being arseholes.
Consequently, Putin et al don't give a toss what the UN resolves to do.
It's also a well known fact that the US, who think that they are the voice of the UN, also don't give a toss what the UN resolves to do without the US's say so.
It's also a well known fact that Trump et al think that they are the bee's knees and don't need to give a toss what the UN resolves to do without the US's say so.
So that still leaves a growing list of dead Ukrainian and Russian minions (and whosoever else cares to join the party).
And it's a well known fact that paranoid megalomaniacs don't give a toss about minions.
Same old human shit, especially for people who see no point in moving on.
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@Sunshineboy217
I will not move on, because there's no point in doing so.
Erring on the nihilistic there sunshine.
Trouble with historical records is that there is no way of verifying the accuracy of the data.
Depends upon who recorded it, and for what purpose.
I tend not to concern myself with long time dead folk, unless it's for quizzing purposes.
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@Lemming
Sounds a bit like.
Best.Korea being Best.Korea.
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@Sunshineboy217
One way of getting rid of Melanija.
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@Best.Korea
Marriage is basically irrational.
Whereas multiple sex partners probably isn't.
Though perhaps it is wise to maintain a broad gene pool.
And no reason why two stupid ugly people would not necessarily produce a genius.
Which isn't to say that there are no reasons why they might not.
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@fauxlaw
Ooooo.
The introduction of "reality" into your assertion, requires clarification.
Reality is what.
Or, which bit of everything that occurs, can rightly be regarded as reality.
For me, it is everything.
Perhaps you have other ideas Faux.
Certainly there will be others that see less importance than you do, in private industry and/or a government.
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@Shila
Yes, I'm aware of current trends.
I was loosely quoting longer term predictions.
But it still stands that the more people we keep alive for longer coupled with changing attitudes towards procreation, will inevitably create a proportionately older demographic.
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@Shila
Surgical and medical intervention keeps people alive.
Social attitudes towards procreation, limits birth rate...Not globally though.
So yes, world population is still on the increase, but disproportionally in terms of ethnicity, ideology and nation state.
Though it is thought that there will be an overall decrease in population growth, as social attitudes in rapidly developing countries changes.
Other, evolutionary or environmental factors might also add to a long term decline in species fertility.
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@Shila
Maybe.
Though carnival costumes tend to be deliberately dramatic.
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@Shila
Nah.
Nothing to do with abortion.
A statistically inaccurate assertion
A population will age, irrespective of the rate of abortion.
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@Shila
Clothes perform two functions.
Protection and modesty.
Modesty;
An intellectual animal that cannot come to terms with it's physicality, biology and sexuality, is sort of a contradictory creature.
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@Shila
We have an aging population.
Thanks in the main to medical and surgical intervention.
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@fauxlaw
Hmmmmmm.
Men and Women both tend to wear undergarments for various reasons.
Bras are generally unnecessary as a support garment for men though.
I would suggest that skirts were somewhat more practical for urination purposes.
But modern women seem to have transcended that issue.
Fabrics and styling evolved to be representative of gender and sexuality.
Though as generations die off, then so will old established ideas.
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@Shila
Well, one has to assume that half the population was already slightly daft.
Obviously you are one of the other half.
Was America ever great?
Britain was great once, but we're never going to regain that status.
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@Shila
Yep, the older people get the more dependent upon medication they become.
If it weren't for medical intervention life expectancy and consequently population would reduce drastically.
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@Best.Korea
Big arms and spindly legs.
Sort of the Popeye look.
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@Shila
Nope Shila.
I distribute Meds to fat lazy people who have developed cellulitis and leg ulcers.
Not a pretty sight.
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@Yassine
- I am having a deja-vu.
Me too Yas.
Ignorance is bliss hey?
Muslims invented science.
Nah Yas.
Muslims weren't invented until the 7th century CE.
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@Shila
Underused legs with poor circulation are a big social health problem.
I see it all the time in my line of work.
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@fauxlaw
#20
Sort of emphasises the fact that cooperation would achieve quicker results.
Therefore one could suggest that the status quo is an inbuilt genetic strategy.
Evolutionary checks and balances as it were.
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@Best.Korea
Death is the sixth law.
Re-birth is the last and first.
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@fauxlaw
Yep.
Counting up to 6, is clearly not a universal Law.
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@Yassine
For sure, Trump is full of Bullshit.
The sad fact is that no one wants the Palestinians, not even their Arab brothers.
I guess they see them as just as big a problem as the Israelis do.
Empathetic rhetoric is just hollow words.
The solution as ever is just to keep supplying them with weaponry and spread anti-Jewish propaganda.
Reality is, that originally everyone was essentially the same.
But just look at what several thousand years of social and ideological factionalism as come to.
A civilised and intellectual species hey Yas...Don't make me laugh.
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@Yassine
No real answer to common sense then Yas.
Just a cheap jibe.
So here's one for you.
A low IQ is what is shared by millions of miseducated numpties who bob up and down on carpets mumbling nonsense.
Which isn't to say that mumbling nonsense isn't a shared religious trait.
I think that it was you who I put a hypothetical question to previously; one which you neglected to address.
Have another go.
So, your brother rapes your wife.
Which one do you hug.
Your brother or your wife?
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@Best.Korea
Could be.
But I'm guessing that GOD is Universese.
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@Yassine
Nope.
I still don't believe anything.
Middle Eastern mythological religious baloney was made up 2 to 3 thousand years ago by war mongering ignoramuses.
Then it moved eastwards and became warmongering Islamic baloney.
Things haven't changed much.
But show me GOD in his intergalactic spaceship, and I will take my hat off to it.
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@Greyparrot
It's the way it goes.
People aren't pissed of with Trump and friends yet.
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@Hero1000
Hey Hero.
If there was/is a GOD it would/will be chilled.
And say:
Hi Y'all, keep up the good work.
Bye for now back ASAP.
Could be 2000 years, might be 10000.
Depends what's going down elsewhere.
OOOh! Keep an eye open for asteroids.
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@Shila
He sent Jesus as a messenger.
That was two thousand years ago, before humans invented IT.
Odd that Mr Omni and his sidekick J are still not connected.
Alistair Begg.
Yep, that's one way to make a living.
And there are obviously plenty of people willing to pay him to do so.
I can't knock it.
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@ebuc
@FLRW
@Shila
@vi_777
Thinking does not need an external stimuli. A person could be reflecting on past events subjectively.
Cause and effect.
I'm not sure that the mind has spontaneous bursts of random reflection.
What do others think?
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@RemyBrown
Well, plastic straws are a natural outcome of material evolution.
As will be everything that occurs tomorrow.
A general complacency with regard to the disposal of consumer products also seems to be a part of the process.
I'm not sure that kicking conservatives in the bollocks is going to make a whole lot of difference.
And neither will liberal complacency.
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@tigerlord
Do you think that there is one GOD or more than one GOD?
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@Reece101
Yep. Jews are smart.
And have a strong influence in US politics and social affairs.
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@tigerlord
What was the cause?
Did you think that you could easily re-programme already established databases.
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@RemyBrown
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, the environment, where is that?
Is it somewhere out there beyond the Realm of Man?
Not sure that plastic straws are it's biggest threat.
Human cleverness and stupidity is it's biggest threat.
Trouble is, there is no consensus on how we can cleverly overcome our stupidity.
We could start by educating kids to put their litter in a bin...Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Nope, let's tell them how they can be a transsexual instead...Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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@vi_777
Purpose.
Yep, everything might or might not have a greater universal purpose.
For some reason we are programmed survivalists.
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@sadolite
HaHa.
Beef curtains sounds a bit flappy, brown and oozing
For some reason I like the words quim, labia and pert.
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@tigerlord
Forums are remote unthreatened individuals making comments relative to their conditioned databases...If you are clever, you will understand this and smile.
In general, there are good and bad people and a whole lot of indifferent people.
I work with a lot of Muslims who are well educated, sensible people...Which isn't to say that Certain Islamic sub-groups do not promote fundamentalist separatism, which will inevitably wind up certain "western" sub-groups, in particular, white separatist Americans.
And the claim that "Islam is best" will wind them up even more...As you well know....You started this spat, so you shouldn't be offended by it.
I am atheist and think that all religion is more or less bonkers. Which isn't to say that Interventionist Hypotheses are not reasonable.
Small Blue Dot though, and no GOD has as yet visited, other than in the minds of conditioned and deluded Earthlings.
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@Reece101
Wanker.
Though mainstream Islamic media is quite informative.
OK. So not really a criticism.
More of a satirical insult type thing.
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@Best.Korea
A Muslim is a very varied thing.
I'm guessing that you stereotype them relative to negative western media propaganda.
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@Best.Korea
Don't worry.
There are still plenty of breeding non-muslims out there.
All those Chinese and Hindus and Catholics and various Africans, and dare I say North Koreans.
Not forgetting the Russians.
So
Sleep tight, don't let the bed bugs bite.
Nor let the bogeyman out of the cupboard.
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@sadolite
Hey, the vagina is the internal muscular structure that extends from the vulva to the cervix.
Let's talk vulvas instead.
Or clitorises.
The clitoris is the vulvas most erogenous area.
So if we talk vulvas, that will also include the clitoris.
Just don't mention urination as it might put a damper on the conversation.
Ok, so you might be into that sort of thing.
GOD was having a laugh when he designed entry/exit ports.
Over to you.
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