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@Mall
Call me Zed.
N.B. to others.
I gave as succinct an answer as was possible to the aforementioned question.
The onus lies with the proposer of the hypothesis to prove it's accuracy.
Whereas all that I can do is counter-hypothesise.
If scripture were known to be accurate, then contention would be unnecessary.
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@Mall
Capitalism sucks for those that suck at achieving to be a capitalist.
Yep.
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@Mall
Have you ever answered a question?
Nonetheless, I reiterate:
A proposition that cannot be proven to be true, cannot be proven to be false.
Therefore attempting to disprove a hypothetical proposition if a futile exercise.
So try and answer this question.
Can you prove a GOD?
When you can, we can then go on to consider whether scripture has relative value or not.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
In my opinion,
Formative conditioning establishes the database.
Stored within, are words and accompanying meaning
(Though it's common to have stored words and not fully understand the intended meaning).
Discrimination and consequent actions are based upon the conditioning of the database.
Love and hate are just descriptive words that we apply liberally.
I love ice cream.
I hate cabbage.
Actually, I consume both ice cream and cabbage, unemotionally.
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@IlDiavolo
Thinking:
So, humans have the evolved ability to store, modify and utilise information.
Overthinking:
Coming up with ideas that seemingly have no practical value.
Transgenderism:
May or may not be a socio-psychological trend based on overthink.
Maybe overthink can influence genetic modification.
Maybe transgenderism is influenced by environmental contamination.
Maybe environmental contamination is an inevitable phase of the evolutionary process.
Maybe everything that occurs is an inevitable part of the evolutionary process.
Therefore ideas that seemingly have no practical value, might be an essential phase of a preordained process.
Or,
Maybe everything is meaningless.
Fact is, there's a lot we don't know.
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@Mall
Hate is perpetuated by formative conditioning.
LGBT are all sub-groups that stray from the old established norms, inevitably causing established data systems to discriminate.
We can also condition data processing units to be tolerant.
So I would suggest that in most instances, "hate" is perhaps not the most appropriate description to apply to discriminatory conclusions.
I would further suggest that technological data systems are rapidly changing how organic systems think, consequently re-establishing norms.
My final suggestion is...New generations of data bases will bring about change rather than older ones.
But don't expect the human device to change at the click of a button.
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@IlDiavolo
Woman...One half of the human species exhibiting a frontal portal leading to egg production and child rearing unit.
Man...One half of the human species exhibiting a fertilizer production and storage unit, with an attached frontal protuberance facilitating the fertilizer delivery system.
Trans...Man or Woman overthinker exhibiting a propensity for the medical and/or surgical alteration of their reproductive systems.
Human...Overthinking species exhibiting a propensity for overthinking.
Overthink...The evolved ability to devise and do both clever and daft stuff.
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@TheUnderdog
@cristo71
Cowboys and Injuns.
One cannot steal land because there's nowhere to hide it.
One can just settle there as all North Americans did.
If the Injuns had known how to carve a mountain, they might have done so.
As it was they weren't quite as clever as the new folk in town.
Hopefully all Republicans are Democrats and all Democrats are Republican.
Well, the majority.
There's always a minority.
The time to get out the guns will be when the minority tries to dictate to the majority.
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@Mall
As I stated, scripture is mythical and therefore very little about scripture can be proven to be accurate. Therefore it is a futile exercise to attempt to prove scripture to be inaccurate.
So let me ask you a question.
Has any DAVE hypothesis ever been proven to be accurate?
DAVE is the bottom line.
In terms of precedence, if a hypothesis is put forward then it must firstly be proven to be accurate.
If it is proven to be accurate, then argument to the contrary is futile.
Nonetheless discussions such as we are having are a stimulating mental exercise.
So, you prove DAVE and we will take it from there.
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@IlDiavolo
Sounds like you've been up close and personal. HaHa.
Have a lovely day IlDiavolo.
Nice to communicate with you.
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@3RU7AL
I will only accept Pounds Sterling.
So via some exchange rate mechanism and/or another you would have to convert Bitcoin into Pounds Sterling.
One currency into another as it were.
How is the exchange rate calculated?
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@ebuc
Knew you would like that.
Could be a very elastic super-fabric not yet discovered,
So thin one might be fooled into thinking that it was one dimensional.
Would it go tick tock?
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@3RU7AL
And peer pressure.
Or a hot Christian babe.
Other sexual preferences or faiths accepted.
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@RaymondSheen
If at first you don't succeed then try try try again.
Science will only succeed once, but might fail a thousand times getting there.
Such is the nature of data evolution, and the reason why I don't need to endure a lengthy and perilous scurvy beset passage upon a sailing ship to exchange ideas with you.
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@Mall
You clearly haven't paid a lot of attention to my previous posts..
I reiterate:
Stephen instigated the BS comment.
I replied.
And then further explained to you that I would attribute the term bullshit and it's synonyms to the general GOD/DAVE hypothesis.
Scriptures may be based upon one such hypothesis, but are obviously real within the context of their naive human construction.
As such they come together to constitute a mythical account of people and ideas from times past.
None of which we have any chance of validating.
Therefore neither DAVE hypothesis nor mythical accounts have any chance of being proven to be accurate.
As such it would be a futile exercise to attempt to disprove the contents of scriptures that cannot be proven to be accurate.
I think that I am already fairly neutral...In that I nonetheless accept the DAVE hypothesis as being both a reasonable creation idea and also an inevitable phase of human intellectual evolution.
N.B. From now on I will refer to the general GOD hypothesis as the DAVE hypothesis.
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@RaymondSheen
Your beliefs are deistical.
I have no such beliefs Raymond.
If any beliefs at all.
One either knows something or one doesn't. (Within the parameters set by the human computer)
To speculate, often abstractly, is futile.
I simply run with and discuss ideas.
The DAVE principle is one idea,
But I can just as easily run with purposelessness and/or general ignorance.
From now on I will ditch the word GOD, in case it causes confusion.
No criticism intended.
It's nice to communicate with you.
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@RaymondSheen
Science is science.
Hypotheses may or may not be proven to be inaccurate.
With the benefit of hindsight, hypotheses that are proven to be inaccurate, could be referred to as nonsense.
Though if the initial proposition was sincere, then the word nonsense would be a tad disrespectful and inappropriate.
For some reason, science allows us to expedite material evolution.
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Space-time is a corruption of what we generally regard as space and time.
Space and time generally refer to a place and duration where material events are afforded the chance to occur.
Space-time is a theoretical proposition.
Or so we think.
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@TheUnderdog
I procrastinate a fuck ton.
Sounds messy UD.
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@Lemming
True.
Everything is an internal simulation.
Sensory input signals converted into electro-chemical data.
We can only assume that the conversion process is reasonably accurate.
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Cradles of civilisation and all that shit.
And we the descendants of.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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@Moozer325
I'm also a traditional atheist.
And also willing to be convinced otherwise.
Though I would require hard evidence.
Not myth and legend fantasy magical stuff.
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@IlDiavolo
You're just a regular, female desiring bloke then.
Nice to know that there's still a few about.
Are you ever fooled by trans women or ladyboy types? LOL.
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@3RU7AL
Same as every currency then.
Therefore it must have a comparative value that is subject to fluctuation.
So for example, if you wanted to buy something from me priced at £1000, and I demanded payment in pounds sterling, and you only had bitcoin.
How would that work?
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@Mall
As I stated, the OT is a mythical account from a period in time when humanesque GODS were cutting edge pseudo-science.
Bottom line is, nothing in the OT can be proven to be accurate, especially the associated GOD hypothesis.
Therefore there is nothing to disprove.
And of course, if it was unequivocally proven that every aspect of the OT is accurate, then why would I bother to refute such claims anyway.
Nope, the burden of proof is not mine to bear.
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@RaymondSheen
Bullshit in Stephens words.
As I tried to make clear,
And in short,
Gods are deities,
GOD is the fundamental source of everything.
So BIG BOOM, or magical thing that exists outside of everything...Or otherwise.
Though a magical thing that exists outside of everything is a tad contradictory in my book.
Of course, something from nothing is also somewhat magical.
As is eternal something.
GOD...Simply because it's a label applied to a general concept.
I could have referred to it as Dave I suppose.
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@IlDiavolo
Because it is a sexual representation that stimulates procreational necessity.
And you respond according to your innate needs.
Heterosexual fantasy represents a challenge to your procreational opportunities.
Porn is just a business opportunity with a ready market.
Do you prefer lesbians with or without prosthetic dicks?
Do you prefer them both to be fit and pretty, or one to be fat and butch?
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@Mall
If you read my previous posts, you will note that I regard OT scriptures as mythical.
Based around a naive creation hypothesis.
The naive creation hypothesis cannot be validated, therefore there is nothing to disprove.
Archaic fantastic GOD stories are what they are.
Associated people and places maybe reasonably accurate. (But there is no way of being certain).
Such is mythology.
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@RaymondSheen
The GOD principle could be a BIG BOOM.
Or ..............
The reason I use upper case is to differentiate between X and Gods
As it is, the sound and accompanying noise, or the symbolic narrative, are widely recognised as representing the idea of some form of creative energy.
Postulation is therefore unavoidable.
Just as X represents an unknown quantity.
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@3RU7AL
Still don't get how Bitcoin value is calculated, if it has no comparative value.
So for example:
If I want to purchase an item valued at $1000.
But wish to purchase with Bitcoin.
How is the Bitcoin price calculated.
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@Mall
We have a tendency to see governments as bad, rather than as governments. Largely because we need something else to blame for our own shortcomings.
No government equals anarchy,
And anarchy will inevitably result in a more aggressive style of government...Which I'm sure wouldn't go down too well.
I consider myself lucky to be British, never vote, and let others criticise the government.
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@3RU7AL
Yep I'm guessing that most/all currency will eventually be digital.
Which is why I question the suggested advantages of Bitcoin.
Bitcoin value rises relative to the inflation of the US dollar.
Yep, this is what I have also been questioning.
Essentially Bitcoin must also inflate, otherwise it will either lose it's purchasing power or have an infinitely unearned value relative to all other currencies.
Society as we know it would collapse if money wasn't there to regulate it.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
You're a genius Deb.
And Women might argue that child birth might have been designed with a little more thought.
Though we are talking misogyny here.
And I often wondered why the urinary tract was not plumbed into the rectum rather than the reproductive pipework.
Perhaps something to do with chemistry?
And man boobs?
Forward planning I suppose.
Transition and ladyboys and all that.
Do you think that Gabriel was a ladyboy.
Perhaps it was actually spelled Gabrielle.
Naughty GOD.
Now we know why he designed lingerie.
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@Mall
Stephen used the word bullshit.
I agreed, because definitively the basis of the Old Testament mythology is a naive creation hypothesis.
You cannot prove that the supreme creative entity proposed in the OT, is not nonsense.
Therefore I do not have to prove that it is.
Typically, aspects of myth will be based around real people and real places, and there is no reason why this should not be true of OT scripts, even though the verification of such details is impossible.
Typically also, myth tends to include other fantasy elements which do not stand up to modern day scrutiny.
If you are prepared to accept that biblical myth is wholly factual, then you should also be prepared to apply the same level confidence to all other global creation myths.
Which is not to say that the general GOD hypothesis/principle is not reasonable.
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@Best.Korea
In so much as government costs more because we demand more.
Do you think that a society without government would be a bed of roses?
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@FLRW
Me too.
I cannot lie.
It's basic bodily entertainment/satisfaction behaviour.
And then there's mixed naked mud wrestling.
Did you know, that Worldwide an estimated 23 million miscarriages occur annually.
Which equates to 44 per minute.
Compared to approximately three times as many induced abortions.
All in all, helping to reduce population increase by approximately 0.1 billion per annum.
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@3RU7AL
If Bitcoin is a digital currency, then printing is a somewhat irrelevant analogy.
Nonetheless.
If goods and services increase in value and Bitcoin doesn't, it really just becomes an increasing numbers game, which is essentially inflation?
Doesn't it just depend upon who or what dictates the market?
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@Lemming
Yep. Humans are flexibly or selectively moral.
Processing data relative to circumstance.
It's what we do.
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@Mall
What is BS
BS is an acronym for Bull Shit.
And like I stated, I used it as a reference to Stephens comment.
Mythical hypothesis.
If you know what a myth is and you know what a hypothesis is, then you will understand the comment.
In brief though.
Throughout human development, GODS have been a naive answer for everything.
Essentially B.S.
Though logical in their naivety.
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@Mall
As I've stated before, being pro-choice doesn't mean that one is necessarily pro-abortion.
And I'm not sure what homosexuality has to do with things.
But I suppose that most folks are pro-recreational-sex.
It's just that some folks get hung up on methodology.
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@Best.Korea
Because we expect more and more.
Which costs more and more.
Despite your best efforts you're still a consumer.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Hi Deb.
Yep, all that vitamin D.
Though we only need worry for a lifetime.
Which of course may be foreshortened by melanoma if we over-worship.
Good SUN, Evil SUN.
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