zedvictor4

If they've got a plan they need to see it through or lose face.

Same with Russia in Ukraine.

Whereas sometimes it's easy just to pack up and come home and change the subject, like Afghanistan or Iraq for example.

True.

My reply missed it's target,

Namely  TheUnderdog.

My bad.

My not paying attention.

See # 5

Though if you put 2+ 2 +2 together, you should quite easily be able to conclude 6.

But to be fair, we all tend to just do the 2 + 2 thing.

Have a nice day.

Everything that occurs within a Universe at any given moment, is naturally occurring.

And to understand properly requires scientific research.

Or we can just make it up and compile  big old books of nonsense.

Good Morning Bromsgrove.

Neither cheese nor bread occurs without human intervention.

Cheese and bread are the synthesis of their component parts.

The same as a nuclear bomb.

If the process of human manipulation is natural, then the resultant synthesis must also be a natural biproduct of a natural process.

But if you are saying that such human behaviour is unnatural, then you are also saying that the human species is unnatural.

But for sure, maybe thought is the unnatural agent in the process.

Sort of, the GOD particle.

Hmmmmmmm.

We're on to something there Mall.

Selective morality then.

Sort of a tad hypocritical..

But Human nature.

Nature indeed.

Though only humans, 

Overthink it.

I did tell you that it was far easier and cheaper to buy eggs.

Another example of selective morality.

So you had consensual sex with a woman.

Then she goes to the Police and claims rape.

She pops the morning after pill.

Tough shit for both you, and your zygote.

So what you are saying, is that the human ability to manipulate matter, is not a naturally evolved ability.

Therefore a cheese sandwich is unnatural?

True.

Before chocolate eggs they used to paint hen eggs.

And also true that most religious holidays are based upon a pagan view of things.

Which Christians et al, were always keen to fabricate.

And  I also share your chocolate indifference.

Jesus wasn't resurrected at all.

Though you're correct,

Most biblical dates are a tad ambiguous.

So, your overriding regard for life is not overriding.

Which is what one would expect, in a biosphere where life is dependent upon death.

Zed Victor says.

That that none of what you presented in your opening gambit, actually makes any sense.

All irrelevant gobbledegook by modern standards.

What about Islamic terrorists.

Will you be inviting that "crowd" round for a chat and a cup of coffee?

Numa Pompilius.

Happy Chocolate Egg Day RM.

Sort of my point really.

That within the context of human knowledge and data processing

Certain things do not require belief.

We know them to be real within that context.

And Easter is a tradition very much based upon a Pagan celebration

Actually, far more to do with eggs than it is to do  with Jesus.

So, happy Chocolate Egg day Mall.

Everything, is the Universe and all that is contained and occurs therein.

It's definitely the dick sucking option for me.

Though mine's a nice bottle of chilled IPA please.

Why would you need to believe in Rabbits and the social occasion labelled as Eater?

I think it's safe to say that they definitely occur.

Within the context of human data storage and retrieval, relative to sensory perception.

Which is of course, all a brain generated simulation.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Well, Goddo needed these guys up in heaven, so he martyred them here on Earth.

For they were sinners.

Or some BS like that.

I think that if there is a higher authority, it is a far more sensible than the guff written about it in the Bible.

Everything is natural.

Like human social evolution.

And we are in a slightly different place to where we were, say 50 years ago.

Of course, data transfer keeps the process in check.

And there are a lot of people who like to transfer discriminatory/ racist data.

As for the lighter guy darker guy dilemma.

Well, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

We are inherently discriminatory.

It's a survival mechanism.

And then we can think about it and come up with varying conclusions.

Which would require a sociological dissertation, in order to explain in full.

Some people are fickle and will flit from club to club.

Some people are not.

Talking religious bollocks clubs are no different to any other club.

Such as cycling or cake decorating.

Though campanologists tend to be loyal.

It's probably still on it's way to another inhabited, but far distant corner of the Universe.

Not that I am suggesting that the Universe has corners.

Even if GOD can travel at lightspeed, it will still take it billions of years to get there, and billions of years to get back again.

And of course, there may be more than two inhabited corners.

You are a remote non-personification of your avatar.

Love Zed. X

Well, I'm 64.

And you know my thoughts on "contactees".

Contactees will always be contactees, just like they will have seen Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster.

Hindsight and overthink produce unrealistic scenarios.

The living, here and now is the only true realism.

Now lasts for a nanosecond and then it is irretrievably gone.

I've always hoped that extra-terrestrials  would make contact in my lifetime.

Still time I suppose... He said optimistically.

Though considering our own state of development, is it more or less likely that another intelligent species  has acquired the knowledge and capability of interstellar/intergalactic travel?

Well a realistic interpretation of the basis of Christian Jesus, is a supposed  extra marital relationship between a woman named Mary and a shadowy  bloke named God.

And a similarly realistic interpretation of J's sexuality, can be based upon his propensity to hang around with groups of men, and also his general disregard for women.

Let's be honest, from start to date "scripture" is all about reinterpreting mythical accounts of events that might have taken place in one small corner of Planet Earth, 2000+ years ago.

All a bit sketchy to say the least.

And for sure, the spheroid we refer to as Earth doesn't have corners per-se.

I was employing a bit of poetic licence, as people often do.

It's always good to have someone up to speed on all things scriptural.

Regards.

Hmmmmm.

Well "contactees" are more of those sort of shadowy marginals who tend to lack mainstream credibility.

If an alien super-race is going to make contact, then why not just make contact with intellectually forthright humans?

And material processes are evolutionary.

We don't need to be told that by a mysteriously anonymous member of a rather sci-fi named super-race.

In trying to sound alien super-race, "Kybalion" sounds typically fictional.

And for sure, genetic manipulation is an evolving process, so super-longevity is certainly no longer a fanciful idea.

Though if the ageing process can be inhibited to the extent that you suggest, then why would life be limited to 30K years.

Of course, a year is relative to a solar orbits and planetary days, so maybe Kybalion years relative to Earth time isn't such a big deal.

What did the Kybalion's say about their own planet and solar system.

Best ask a contactee I suppose, I'm sure that they will soon come up with an answer.

Sorry if I come across as a tad cynical.

Nonetheless, I reiterate that hypothetically the basis of the idea is reasonable.

Whereas the alien knowledge and human contact that  that you allude to is highly implausible.

Thanks again.

And Lemming has been missed of late, I hope that they return soon.

Penguins are cool, especially the dancing ones.

Thanks for the advice.

And thanks to anyone who considered me worthy of their vote.

Debateart is a splendid community of minds, so thanks also go to everyone who has shared their thoughts with me over the past few years.

As a feasible hypothesis, I totally accept what you say.

Though if you are going to infer such a deliberate creation event, then I would have to question the purpose of the event and also it's ongoing management.

Still cannot see the name Buffett without conjuring up images of people stood around a table holding paper plates and napkins, uncertain of what to do with the glass of wine.

Self deprecation and innate ability are two different issues.

As far as we don't actually know,

From unverifiable accounts.

His dad was an unmarried philanderer.

And J himself wasn't really a fan of heterosexuality.

So it's unlikely that he gave a toss either way on the subject of contractual heterosexual copulation between female infants and sweaty older men.

Passive agreement?

I would suggest that the human species is more likely to evolve to a state of asexuality, and/or a system of asexual reproduction. That it is to achieve a state of total passive agreement.

Nope. 

Originally, before the word  gender was repurposed for use in the war on penis vagina angst, gender simply identified that the binary species was a binary species.

Nope.

In terms of ongoing  human endurance, to be a living but enslaved human is far worse that being a non-existent ex-embryo.

Opposing opinions will be based on overthink.

Taylor who?

Swft did you say?

Will have to look him up.

At minimum.

Not really sure what that is asking.

Though, evidence may be a deliberate pack of lies. (Legal)

Or inaccurate and modified reinterpretations of inaccurate accounts of past events. (Biblical) 

Or theory, (Scientific)

As a rule parents are there just to teach the basics.

Wiping your backside and tying your shoe laces type stuff.

Though for sure, some dumb parents  will just provide you with flip flops.

Social education kicks in at around 4/5.

And for sure, social media teaches all kinds of inspirational stuff, like transsexualism and violent games.

If you're unlucky enough to born into a religious society, then unfortunately you will more likely than not, end up with a head full of unnecessary religious bullshit.

Which certainly proves, that on the whole, clever atheist astrophysicists, make the best parents.

I think that Japan was perhaps not keen on fallout and it's preceding events.

GOD bless America.

And did you mean Battotai?

Or Bukkake, which is the Japanese tradition of splashing with broth.

Sort of a baptism ritual.

"Rebel pride".

Is that a gathering of rainbow coloured  gay rebels?

Hasn't GOD created CCTV yet?

I thought that omnipresence was a metaphor for global surveillance.

A lot messier.

I was responding to the use of the phrase "de-convert".

Which sort of means, I don't want to be in your club anymore, even though I will still retain all the relevant data.

Convert or de-convert, neither increases nor decreases the veracity of the data.

Only concrete proof of an existent GOD, will verify GOD data.

Until there is concrete proof, there will only ever be made up data.

Converting or de-converting is just a whim relative to a made up religion.

Being steadfast relative to rigid conditioning, lessens the likelihood of whimsey.

Not quite sure what your last post meant.

But, knowledge is acquired and stored data.

Evidence is not necessarily factual.

And if one knew that GOD was an unequivocal fact, then belief would be surplus to requirements.

There's a huge difference between overthrowing a government and a few rednecks making a fuss.