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So explain how you know that it's not actually theory of a conspiracy.

Which isn't to suggest that at a base level certain Iranians do not relate to, sympathise with and support Palestinians.

And for sure, manipulators easily manipulate those of a certain disposition.

Though I would suggest that this phenomenon doesn't all fall into just one camp, and result in one ideological outcome.

Nonetheless, would you say that ultimately, human behaviour is somewhat more or less random?

Or a part of a greater evolutionary strategy?

Or both maybe?

Trump is clearly descended from Yeti.

Maybe.

But that is also conspiracy theory.

And how does this tie in with RM's compulsive support for Gaza?

Couldn't give a sh*t.

If morons want to box, let them box.

It will make for good moron entertainment, and high profits for the clever people..

And a decent payday for those doing the boxing, trading braincells for dollars.

Such is the human species.

Have fun.

Things are what they have become.

And will inevitably become something else.

Let's hope that everything becomes fully automated and self maintaining before the last person quits the rat race.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

We are the ape that changed after the "Dinosaurs" we wiped out.

In so much as Dinosaurs didn't survive, but their relatives did.

Though I would suggest that material evolution preceded organic development, and may well succeed inorganically, perhaps after a period of hybridisation.

And a process of ongoing material development, does suggest a point of initiation.

Call it BIG BOOM

Or Call it GOD.

I some times refer to it as RE-INITIATION,

But that's another theory.

Were modern Palestinian Militants so stupid, as not to realise the dire consequences of their actions.

Well let's rephrase that, because moronic foot soldiers are easily manipulated.

Always have been.

Did those that ordered Palestinian Militants, not realise the dire consequences of those orders.

And of course, Israeli foot soldiers were happy to reciprocate, when ordered.

Is it all just an inevitably consequence of human programming?

I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist, and I can always propose variable explanations for human behaviour.

So I fly no flags, and I am still content to run with the notion that we are all as bad as one another.

Though it does makes one wonder.

Swept along by media propaganda,

Still ignoring the facts RM.

Which is seemingly what we are meant to do.

Though for sure, do we actually know which fact came first.

Certainly didn't occur in the last 6 months.

Which is exactly what I am talking about. Though I see a bigger picture. 

Nonetheless, you do not wish to consider what triggered the past 5-6 months.

Why?

Because popular culture and media doesn't want you to consider it.

Why?

We are undoubtedly recycled components based upon re-appropriated data.

As such, we certainly retain subconscious memory.

Can we extrapolate, conscious memory from subconscious memory?

Maybe.

See above.

That is just popular anti-Jewish media propaganda. (Which conveniently strives to make you forget that the current situation was inspired by Palestinian terror).

I would suggest that the plan is bigger than that.

Perhaps we should be more interested with who promotes the aforementioned propaganda so successfully.

And why?

Hmmmmmm.

I must be careful or I will turn into David Icke.

For sure, in legal and ideological terms.

Though legality and ideology are variable concepts relative to variable overthink and therefore prescribe variable outcomes. In such circumstances hypocrisy is an irrelevant concept anyway.

Though at a more base level, wanting to kill or not kill where the reasoning for such is based upon contradictory ideology  and therefore contradictory outcomes, this can be appropriately referred to as hypocritical.

I would suggest that unnatural, is generally regarded as a process or situation effected by human intervention.

Though I would further suggest that said process or situation is a natural outcome of the human condition.

Is the human condition natural or not?

Synthesis describes the process of combining individual components to create a new individual whole.

Of course it can also be said that components combine or synthesise naturally, without human involvement.

H2O is an obvious example.

As are organic structures.

Exactly.

If they've got a plan they need to see it through or lose face.

Same with Russia in Ukraine.

Whereas sometimes it's easy just to pack up and come home and change the subject, like Afghanistan or Iraq for example.

True.

My reply missed it's target,

Namely  TheUnderdog.

My bad.

My not paying attention.

See # 5

Though if you put 2+ 2 +2 together, you should quite easily be able to conclude 6.

But to be fair, we all tend to just do the 2 + 2 thing.

Have a nice day.

Everything that occurs within a Universe at any given moment, is naturally occurring.

And to understand properly requires scientific research.

Or we can just make it up and compile  big old books of nonsense.

Good Morning Bromsgrove.

Neither cheese nor bread occurs without human intervention.

Cheese and bread are the synthesis of their component parts.

The same as a nuclear bomb.

If the process of human manipulation is natural, then the resultant synthesis must also be a natural biproduct of a natural process.

But if you are saying that such human behaviour is unnatural, then you are also saying that the human species is unnatural.

But for sure, maybe thought is the unnatural agent in the process.

Sort of, the GOD particle.

Hmmmmmmm.

We're on to something there Mall.

Selective morality then.

Sort of a tad hypocritical..

But Human nature.

Nature indeed.

Though only humans, 

Overthink it.

I did tell you that it was far easier and cheaper to buy eggs.

Another example of selective morality.

So you had consensual sex with a woman.

Then she goes to the Police and claims rape.

She pops the morning after pill.

Tough shit for both you, and your zygote.

So what you are saying, is that the human ability to manipulate matter, is not a naturally evolved ability.

Therefore a cheese sandwich is unnatural?

True.

Before chocolate eggs they used to paint hen eggs.

And also true that most religious holidays are based upon a pagan view of things.

Which Christians et al, were always keen to fabricate.

And  I also share your chocolate indifference.

Jesus wasn't resurrected at all.

Though you're correct,

Most biblical dates are a tad ambiguous.

So, your overriding regard for life is not overriding.

Which is what one would expect, in a biosphere where life is dependent upon death.

Zed Victor says.

That that none of what you presented in your opening gambit, actually makes any sense.

All irrelevant gobbledegook by modern standards.

What about Islamic terrorists.

Will you be inviting that "crowd" round for a chat and a cup of coffee?

Numa Pompilius.

Happy Chocolate Egg Day RM.

Sort of my point really.

That within the context of human knowledge and data processing

Certain things do not require belief.

We know them to be real within that context.

And Easter is a tradition very much based upon a Pagan celebration

Actually, far more to do with eggs than it is to do  with Jesus.

So, happy Chocolate Egg day Mall.

Everything, is the Universe and all that is contained and occurs therein.

It's definitely the dick sucking option for me.

Though mine's a nice bottle of chilled IPA please.

Why would you need to believe in Rabbits and the social occasion labelled as Eater?

I think it's safe to say that they definitely occur.

Within the context of human data storage and retrieval, relative to sensory perception.

Which is of course, all a brain generated simulation.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

Well, Goddo needed these guys up in heaven, so he martyred them here on Earth.

For they were sinners.

Or some BS like that.

I think that if there is a higher authority, it is a far more sensible than the guff written about it in the Bible.

Everything is natural.

Like human social evolution.

And we are in a slightly different place to where we were, say 50 years ago.

Of course, data transfer keeps the process in check.

And there are a lot of people who like to transfer discriminatory/ racist data.

As for the lighter guy darker guy dilemma.

Well, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

We are inherently discriminatory.

It's a survival mechanism.

And then we can think about it and come up with varying conclusions.

Which would require a sociological dissertation, in order to explain in full.

Some people are fickle and will flit from club to club.

Some people are not.

Talking religious bollocks clubs are no different to any other club.

Such as cycling or cake decorating.

Though campanologists tend to be loyal.

It's probably still on it's way to another inhabited, but far distant corner of the Universe.

Not that I am suggesting that the Universe has corners.

Even if GOD can travel at lightspeed, it will still take it billions of years to get there, and billions of years to get back again.

And of course, there may be more than two inhabited corners.

You are a remote non-personification of your avatar.

Love Zed. X

Well, I'm 64.

And you know my thoughts on "contactees".

Contactees will always be contactees, just like they will have seen Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster.

Hindsight and overthink produce unrealistic scenarios.

The living, here and now is the only true realism.

Now lasts for a nanosecond and then it is irretrievably gone.

I've always hoped that extra-terrestrials  would make contact in my lifetime.

Still time I suppose... He said optimistically.

Though considering our own state of development, is it more or less likely that another intelligent species  has acquired the knowledge and capability of interstellar/intergalactic travel?

Well a realistic interpretation of the basis of Christian Jesus, is a supposed  extra marital relationship between a woman named Mary and a shadowy  bloke named God.

And a similarly realistic interpretation of J's sexuality, can be based upon his propensity to hang around with groups of men, and also his general disregard for women.

Let's be honest, from start to date "scripture" is all about reinterpreting mythical accounts of events that might have taken place in one small corner of Planet Earth, 2000+ years ago.

All a bit sketchy to say the least.

And for sure, the spheroid we refer to as Earth doesn't have corners per-se.

I was employing a bit of poetic licence, as people often do.

It's always good to have someone up to speed on all things scriptural.

Regards.

Hmmmmm.

Well "contactees" are more of those sort of shadowy marginals who tend to lack mainstream credibility.

If an alien super-race is going to make contact, then why not just make contact with intellectually forthright humans?

And material processes are evolutionary.

We don't need to be told that by a mysteriously anonymous member of a rather sci-fi named super-race.

In trying to sound alien super-race, "Kybalion" sounds typically fictional.

And for sure, genetic manipulation is an evolving process, so super-longevity is certainly no longer a fanciful idea.

Though if the ageing process can be inhibited to the extent that you suggest, then why would life be limited to 30K years.

Of course, a year is relative to a solar orbits and planetary days, so maybe Kybalion years relative to Earth time isn't such a big deal.

What did the Kybalion's say about their own planet and solar system.

Best ask a contactee I suppose, I'm sure that they will soon come up with an answer.

Sorry if I come across as a tad cynical.

Nonetheless, I reiterate that hypothetically the basis of the idea is reasonable.

Whereas the alien knowledge and human contact that  that you allude to is highly implausible.

Thanks again.

And Lemming has been missed of late, I hope that they return soon.

Penguins are cool, especially the dancing ones.

Thanks for the advice.

And thanks to anyone who considered me worthy of their vote.

Debateart is a splendid community of minds, so thanks also go to everyone who has shared their thoughts with me over the past few years.

As a feasible hypothesis, I totally accept what you say.

Though if you are going to infer such a deliberate creation event, then I would have to question the purpose of the event and also it's ongoing management.