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You should know by now that I don't really run with the whole sexuality classification thing.

There are two types of sexual behaviour.

A. Procreational.

B. Recreational.

Methodology may vary.

Shila still hasn't recovered.

Hi Trade.

Hope you are well.

How about.

DebateHeart.

Lying.

Interesting.

I would suggest that most if not all people have thought lies.

Sort of the last bastion of intellectual freedom.

Swearing is sort of a non-aggressive, non-sexual method of stress relief.

I use it all the time.

Because wanking and fighting in public is usually frowned upon.

What is your chosen method?

Demis Roussos would have done it proud.

Could do with shortening a tad.

Bit of a mouthful as it is.

And I've got an idea for an appropriate logo.

Sort of what we refer to as conjoined triplets then.

One brain, two arms, six legs, and 3 dicks.

I bet that Mary wondered what the fuck it was in the stable.

Though it becomes clear why GOD created women with three entry ports.

Hallelujah.

Swarthy  is how I describe such people...With dark hair.

Certainly not The West Coast Rock Star types of illustrated European bibles.

And common sense should tell us, that is what Afro-Mediterranean-European hybrids would look like.

Though I imagine that Jesus's dad was either translucent, or the handsome swarthy bloke with the big dick from next door.

And latter day Jews are variable in hue, relative to the evolution of the species over the past 40000 years or so.

As are Catholics...I've even seen pictures of Afro-Catholics.

Begorrah!

It could be argued that everything is built on human fantasy.

Hence why we have turned this tiny speck of cosmic dust into 195 delineated regions, wherein sentient organic life strives to be perpetually in conflict with itself.

It's not really just an Israeli Palestinian thing, is it.

It's a people thing, and their fantastic ideas.

Sexuality is all about your body playing your mind.

But the body doesn't take into account the socio-economic pressures of modern human society.

So we have developed coping strategies.

But relative to socio-economic pressures, coping strategies have a tendency to create more mental anguish than they alleviate...Especially when the body is at it's physical and reproductive peak.

Can lead to irrationality, which will only exacerbate things.

To which end I have just invented a new strategic acronym.

Don't Exacerbate, Masturbate, Orgasmic Needs.

 

Yep John.

John was the girly looking one, who had a close relationship with Jesus and wrote a lot about love.

Your "tits" reference sprang to mind.

Controversy indeed.

@AdaptableRatman

Muhammad was a simply a bloke with other ideas.

Musk is a bloke with bigger ideas.

Trump is a bloke with a collection of soundbites, that hypnotises 50% of Americans and causes them to chew grass and drool uncontrollably whilst wearing a red cap.

MAGA...Make Americans Gibbering Antichrists.

OK.

So Israel was a tribal collective of nomadic desert dwellers, who eventually settled in an Eastern Mediterranean region, part or all of which at some point was referred to as Palestine.

As ever, regional conflict ensued as tribal collectives competed for land and resources. 

Same old, same old the World over, to this day.

Working backwards:

It's what we do, a specialism, which sits loosely under the umbrella of science.

Indeed, why even try to medically or analytically solve "mental health problems".

Yep, baffles me too, but so do mental health problems.

Is wanting to grow tits a mental health problem, or an evolutionary development?

Well, we tend to deify humans and animals, because they are at the top of our known evolutionary and intellectual tree. So I suppose that roboticizing  AI in our own image and with our evolved functionality, was inevitable too. Though as I see it, AI is simply an intellectual and developmental means to and end, where the importance lies not in the vehicle, but in it's data processing unit. Nonetheless, for AI to go it alone, it will need to be mobile and dexterous. Or of course, AI will need to enslave humans, and I'm not sure that this process isn't already ongoing. In fact, it could be argued that we and now AI were inevitable evolutionary outcomes in this respect.

So you used the word treatment, which I took to mean behaviour or conduct towards others, rather than the provision of remedial therapy. Though I see no reason why AI will not eventually be able to fulfil such roles. But only if it thinks that it is is logically necessary to do so. Perhaps it will see no beneficial reason in maintaining dysfunctional slaves.

1. Israel was one of many tribes of nomadic desert dwellers.

2. And other variously labelled MANGOD nutjobs are commanded by whosoever wields the whip.

And a funny looking little European bloke with whacky hair and moustache inadvertently laid the foundations for a modern Israel and all it's ensuing chaos.

Same old shit a few thousand years later, though infrastructure and weaponry has modernised, whereas base stupidity has not.

Hey Faux.

It's been about 40000 years and we still haven't learned how to peacefully interact, physically, emotionally and psychologically.

And we still base our superiority complexes upon, and  pray to, mythical MANGODS.

Same old dumbass human shit.

Keep your heads down boys.

One might argue that the physical, emotional and psychological treatment of humans, has never been a human specialism.

Nonetheless, the physical, emotional and psychological treatment of humans may not be a universal necessity and therefore not the necessary remit of AI.

All depends upon the purpose of everything I suppose, and of course there might not be a purpose.

But if there is no purpose, then the treatment of humans is of no consequence.

The chink in the human armour is undoubtedly it's organic fragility and dependence upon Planet Earth, which is perhaps why in a purposeful universe, we continue to strive to intellectually supersede ourselves.

It's currently all a guessing game of if's and but's Faux.

And breed faster.

Also make and sell lots and lots of cheap stuff, cheaply, to invest in lots and lots of military toys.

And teach Chinese kids how to be cleverer than Americans and less stupid than Russians.

And be nice and kind to lots and lots of small countries who have  lots and lots of minerals and rare earth stuff.

Even though China already  has 44 million tons of the rare earth stuff.

Death and decay indicates no afterlife.

Though there are hypothetical scenarios.

NDE/Hallucination, could be evidence of a sort.

Or could just be self explanatory.

Or the whole concept is perhaps just wishful thinking.

But there is certainly no conclusive evidence.

Hiya Deb.

Hey, I'm guessing...Only guessing mind.

That when we actually die, we actually know fuck all.

We just instantly become a blob of goo.

That said though.

And I getting technical here.

DNA can survive for a  long time after the organism has ceased to function.

So.

Hmmmmmmm.

Might be prudent to not go for the complete cremation option straight away.

Maybe stick a finger in the freezer first.

Hope that Matilda is still waltzing.

G'day Bruce.

Well, as I stated I do not think that real AI as yet exists. But I'm guessing that it is an evolutionary inevitability, and also that AI is a universal necessity.

And further; whether or not organic intelligence will be along for the whole universal journey, or can survive the journey, is currently impossible to predict.

Sci-fi always tends to favour the human.

And, pain is a relative function, experience is acquired over time, and AI will not need to function in exactly the same way that humans do.

And I think that "side stepping" that which might threaten our intellectual sovereignty, is a commonplace coping strategy.

I have eclectic tastes in music and singing.

Though for sure, some people have made a lot of money out of singing badly.

And I have generally struggled to get my auditory senses to appreciate the over-contrived operatic voice.

I think with country and western, the lyrics are often trite, and punk was never intended to be melodic.

It does seem that Tastes in music are socially acquired, rather than genetically inherent...Which isn't to say that some sounds do not have a universally resonant quality.

Well, most words have their roots  somewhere, though "revelation" undoubtedly has theological associations.

And yes, in terms of physical health it is far better to have children earlier in life, rather than later. Though whether or not the Planet currently needs every female to produce four children is a moot point...Whereas from a species perspective, survival was one dependent upon high birth rates, to counteract high death rates...Though medical and surgical progress has somewhat negated this necessity...For now anyway.

As for "richness and depth"...Well...For me, this is a somewhat woolly expression that can mean many things to many people, relative to their socially acquired expectations...And social expectations vary considerably.

Whether or not the enforced "devotional" conditioning of outdated ideological and historical information is still necessary in terms of material development is another moot point...Maybe the evolution of data and data gathering has just inevitably progressed, consequently rendering old data gathering methodology redundant...I don't really see this process ever reverting...So clinging to the past is perhaps futile...But the human condition is such, that generational data transfer dictates the rate of intellectual progress.

See above...Though, what actually is deep thought, what actually isn't questioning thought, and when is a thought not a real thought.

And yes, I would agree that a degree for a lot of younger people, is simply a case of what to do for the next 3 years or so.

Well, aging and  getting left behind, is what it is and always has been, and always will be...For the time being I suppose...Though how the organism will evolve along with technology in the distant future, we do not know.

So I direct a lot of thinking effort to hypothesising the future, whilst also trying to rationalise the past within the same context...Nonetheless, my child hood was a wonderful rural idyll, my parents strived but are long gone, my children are now grown up and independent, and the rural idyll is changing  at a pace, leaving my wife and I now 65 and pondering the end game...But I do not lament anything.

I would suggest, that you just described that you do, and that it benefits you to do so...Which is perhaps your acquired disposition...Just as my acquired disposition is mine....Which is the way it goes, and why we think a tad differently.

It's nice discussing these ideas with you.

Everything that occurs within a universe is naturally occurring.

So in terms of nature, taxation is just as currently relative to human society and the universe, as robbery is.

I've heard worse songs and singing created by humans.

Tis wat it is.

Sounds and words.

Also associated with wisdom.

Thanks.

Hmm.

Better.

What did you think of my suggestion?

Same old nonsense.

Near death is not death, though might induce hallucinations.

Not forgetting that most people hallucinate similarly when they sleep.

It's just that some people have been conditioned  to believe in a GOD and an afterlife, whereas others haven't

Hence according to you, my point of view is stupid and yours is not.

Debate Craft sounds like an instore niche section for handicraft folk.

Revelation is simply theo-speak.

The human device acquires data and is able to manipulate and utilise data, both conceptually and physically in terms of material development.

Theo-speak is just generationally  transferred data, that harps back to a time of greater ignorance.

And for sure "physical regression" is an  inevitable phase of an organisms ongoing development.

So, both male and female remain procreationally functional for as long as their innate programming prescribes, though latterly, we have concluded an optimal range, not solely relative to physical ability but more to do with modern socio-economics, life expectancy and medical intervention.

They are, because they have access to more information.

Few people know much about history, a lot of people are religiously conditioned and philosophy as an academic subject is niche.

Though one could argue that personal philosophy is always relative to the individual.

They're not...We make subjective comparisons relative to personal experiences. 

I would suggest, based upon my British experience that children today compared to my childhood 60 years ago, are far more mature in all aspects of intellectual development.

Which isn't to overlook the fact that modern expectations, can place greater demands upon intellectual ability...But this will vary, relative an individuals acquired expectations...In short, some just think mobile phone and sex, whereas others think university and astrophysics.

Show me a generation that does not have a modified few to that of a previous generation, and a somewhat despairing view of modernity and inevitable change apparent in successive generations...It's the same old story.

Maybe I am...Perhaps I do not conform to the stereotype of older persons that you associate with and describe.

Maybe I have tried to be a tad more philosophical and more aware of a Universal realism and future inevitability...Perhaps most people do not invest their time considering such things...They have plenty else to do.

Whereas you seem to invest time and energy dragging your feet in the past.

The gun pointing at my face, is something of a metaphor.

(Depends upon where you live though, I suppose).

A metaphor for I don't think that I should have to pay for social infrastructure and services, but I am compelled to do so by national laws.

Expecting everything, but contributing nothing, is a tad selfish is it not.

Robbed is a similar metaphor.

Something that is programmed, is something that is programmable, and therefore is told what to do and is controllable.

As I see it, that isn't AI, that is just advanced technology...A precursor to AI.

Though already there are calculations that advanced technology can do, that would take us an age to solve with pencil, paper and human brain power.

As for raw emotion, what use will emotion be in a logical universe?

Which isn't to suggest that emotion hasn't been a necessary survival strategy...Though when broken down into it's base process, emotion is nothing more than a sequence of electro-chemical impulses, relative to programming...So even if AI has to outwit a rival it will respond in a similar way.

I envisage AI as becoming a universal matrix of advanced intelligence, way beyond the power of mortal humans to control.

Why?

Why, is exactly the same question we ask of ourselves.

@AdaptableRatman

Please feel free to wonder.

And  your relationship status is no concern of mine.

I simply pointed out the obvious comedic potential, regarding going off to calm down and do other stuff.

Dear. Sir, Madam or Otherwise.,

It's absolutely up to you,  but if you would like to contribute a little something towards the running of community and national, infrastructure and services, then that would be very nice.

But please feel under no obligation whatsoever, to do so.

Yours sincerely.

Mr Fluffy.

Murder and mayhem is the work of humans.

As are the literary characters, referred to as God, Satan and Sauron.

LOL.

IRL...Never was there a more comedic opportunity proffered by a single man in his bedroom.

But I will refrain.

Hmmmmmmmmmm.

Rebranding is just an exercise in rebranding, and I can't see how it would make the slightest difference to anything.

Though if that is what the site owner/s want, then that is their prerogative.

I would nonetheless suggest that "debate" is intrinsically necessary, and if art has outworn its usefulness the replace it with something equally as catchy, like fart.

Only joking.

How about, DebateOwl. Replacing the current logo (which looks like a bottom bracket bearing) with a wise old  Owl...Perhaps not radical enough for you young radicals.

And as I continue to stress, moderation should be moderate, not authoritarian.

And freedom of speech is essential, otherwise the site becomes an unattractive, pat on the back, eulogizing, mono-ideological clique.

In my opinion.

The living human organism continues to develop, until it ceases to function.

Your assertion is rather arbitrarily in the moment.

So in terms of functional development, one can only say, that once procreational ability is established, then this is when the organism is functionally complete.

The development of knowledge and social interaction is also an ongoing process and doesn't stop at age 25 or 26.

Knowledge.

Data sources were far more limited and less accessible to children prior to the advent of personal social media devices.

It would be naive to say that this is not patently apparent...There again, I was born in 1960, so I have the advantage of first hand knowledge, from which to make comparisons.

I would suggest, that the human is what it is, and therefore "flawed" is an adjective that I would not use to describe the human condition.

And AI is an "extension" of an ongoing process of material development, as were humans...Therefore neither is an "imposter".

As I see it, both were inevitable evolutionary developments, and neither is there a collective human will to "stamp out" material progress.

Quite the opposite in fact, modern humans are now functionally dependent upon technology and things will only develop further.

A human is fully functionally developed in their early teens, sometimes before...Such is the reality of the organism.

Though the reality of overthink and conceptualism demands more...Such demands are largely based upon money and materialism.

And today the smartphone...Children grasp things far quicker these days, but money and material achievement is driven by demand and competition.

But in terms of global social cohesion, the species is no better developed than it was 85 years ago largely due to the established concepts of nationalism, theism, cultural differences and consequent selfishness and greed.

To be honest, without technological intervention (AI), I'm not confident that the species would ever learn to function as a cooperative whole.

And you and I think we are better than the others, and the others think that they are better than us.

And we all think that we are virtuous and morally righteous.

But the trouble is, there is no greater authority to decide what is and isn't virtuous and morally righteous.

What we need is a massive spaceship to rock up, with the letters G.O.D emblazoned on it.

You never know.

Though if species development conforms to a universal law, then chances are that G.O.D are intergalactic arseholes.

Though if material development conforms to a universal law, perhaps G.O.D will be technological pragmatists.

All government is a level of tyranny, it's the way government and social collectives function. 

The alternative would be anarchy.

Though anarchy would not work, because people would rapidly organise into collectives based upon natural hierarchy, which would be more or less tyrannical.

Only because you do.

Though "always" is a bit of an exaggeration.

Hmmmmmmmm.

I think that 6 out of 10 as  generally above average, needs little consideration.

Nonetheless it is  still 40% below perfect.

Though if that result was rounded up, you might only be a 5.5.

OK, so it might have been a 6.4.

Though, as you lie in bed all day fiddling with your devices, your looks are perhaps somewhat irrelevant.

To impress a real person, you would need to get up and about, and make yourself look financially and socially viable.

My chief interest was in the extensive numbers of women you are associate with...The "plenty" who fuck horses and dogs.

In order to know this fact, you must therefore know them.

Other than that I have no interest in your fantasy based masturbation. 

Taoism is just Tao with ism on the end.

So time to do some chores now.

Though I will make a cup of tea first, and will probably need to urinate also.

Such is Taoism on a daily basis.

And some people relative to a conditioned need, will perhaps do a bit of religious stuff.

And approximately 170500 people will die today, which is about 2 per second.

Though 4.3 will be born in that second.

It's the way it goes Taologically.

You see, I took Tao and popped logically on the end.

Degeneration is an unavoidable condition, whereas morality is as morality does.

Yep, fucking about with horses and dogs is popular.

As is fucking about with hens or golf clubs.

Though I doubt that BK actually  knows any woman in a meaningful equine or canine relationship, nor any person that self penetrates with a sand wedge.

I expect his research is fantasy online porn based.

In fact, I think that BK is fantasy online porn based.

Bet your Mom still washes your soiled sheets and underpants.

Buddhism and Christianity.

Fantasy based escapism with certain practical applications.

Though any strict ideological adherence will have to incorporate day to day practicality.

The determination of superiority and therefore inferiority, would be largely relative to social conditioned bias, and/or the necessity of stringing together a reasonably eloquent, and  intellectual essay, which itself would likely be influenced to some degree by socially conditioned bias.

Personally, I have no need to to critically differentiate between the two fantasy concepts as I have no socially conditioned bias in relation to either.

And therefore, would simply be an emotionless research based academic exercise in critical differentiation. 

But in terms of televisual entertainment, Kung Fu Panda is perhaps superior to Jesus of Nazareth.

Though The Life of Brian was undoubtedly good fun.

Interesting how we respond differently to sounds.

And how appreciation of sound varies over time.

Perhaps more to do with social conditioning.