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@Athias
That is a presumption with no substantiated basis.
This is undoubtedly and inevitably a truism.
What you have concluded is riddled with contradiction as it concerns materialist description.
Undoubtedly and inevitably, under the circumstances.
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@Athias
OK.
So I'm uncertain as to how you're using "prescription" in that statement.
And I would suggest that either presuming or not presuming to dictate that which I WOULD do, is like tying the stick and carrot to the donkeys tail.
Or, leaving the stick and carrot in the stable.
Though I suppose that relative to this brief discussion, I CAN as you can, as we will do relative to a cause.
Which won't necessarily result in a prescribed outcome.
As a cause might stimulate an alternative effect, which relative to this discourse would not necessarily be disingenuous.
Or perhaps I should say, SHOULD not necessarily be regarded as necessarily disingenuous.
Words are fun, are they not?
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@Lemming
An AI acting like a human doesn't make it human though.
Exactly.
As I tried to point out, a human is a specific organically derived mass that exhibits intelligence.
Whereas AI is an Another Intelligence source, otherwise derived.
I would suggest that you are confusing "robots" and intelligence.
Though as I pointed out previously, other intelligence sources do not necessarily need to be human shaped...I think that this is more of a sci-fi requirement.
And the intelligence processing unit is unlikely to resemble the human brain.
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@Lemming
There's very little about humans and their developed societies that isn't contrived.
Separatism is a result of the past and therefore a result of ongoing contrived memories.
Values are no more or less contrived...From my view anyway.
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@Lemming
Intelligence is a state of mind relative to the acquisition and application of knowledge.
Stupidity is a state of mind relative to the acquisition and application of knowledge.
Sensible is a state of mind relative to the acquisition and application of knowledge.
So humans can either be Intelligent and stupid or intelligent and sensible.
So as I see it, intelligent people killing each other on the basis of memories and contrived differences are stupid.
Whereas forgetting the past and sharing a beer and some food is sensible.
Sadly humans have a preferential propensity for the former.
Intelligent, but still in the cave fighting monsters.
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@Lemming
Potentially.
Just as a pile of electronics and mechanical parts is potentially an AI...(Or it might be a vegetable on another planet)...Who knows.
Though vegetables have a similar reproductive format.
Therein and in response to your perplexity, I was attempting to suggest how one might differentiate and therefore explain what makes people.
How we might or might not differentiate between an embryo and a person is largely a semantics and ideological issue of choice.
Though as cellular division proceeds, then similarity becomes more marked.
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@IlDiavolo
@Lemming
Hopefully there is another Planet far far away, where the dominant species didn't evolve to be quite so stupid.
Or maybe we will evolve and eventually become more sensible.
Big asks I know.
Or maybe after nuclear extinction, another intelligence will develop here on Earth, with more of a positive and unified spin on things.
Clutching at straws I know.
Nonetheless, what the fuck will we care once we are dead?
Have a nice day.
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@Best.Korea
Dick fiddling.
300 000 years
And the ongoing inability of the human species to come to terms with genitalia and procreation.
LGBTQ is surely the answer.
LOL.
Humans
Are BRILLIANT.
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@ponikshiy
I knew this anyway.
The point I was making was that when push comes to shove all human masses are equally as squidgy.
The label is irrelevant when the bomb or bullet hits.
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@IlDiavolo
Pachita was a typical "psychic".
And her methodology was typically misleading.
But yes, the power of her mind to mislead and coerce gullible people was clever.
There were/are plenty of similar "psychics" who made/make a living from such behaviour.
Though all will die, because ultimately they have no conscious control over their own functional systems.
But yes, mental and physical positivity is undoubtedly beneficial, in terms of brain and body chemistry and functional health.
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@Lemming
Well 2023, in so much as 2023 is representative of cutting edge humanity.
And yet still better to have own paths and not mix.
Q. Why?
A. Ridiculous ideology.
Nice chatting.
Time for bed here.
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@Lemming
Some might say that Jews and Palestinians are exactly the same.
Just corrupted by ridiculous ideology.
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@FLRW
So therefore, was it/is it reasonably fair to suggest that Jews have always been a bit of a nuisance.
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@Lemming
Let's not forget that Israel was forcibly founded in 1948.
Just 4 years after the end of the holocaust.
At the same time as apartheid was instigated in South Africa.
Therein somewhere lies a certain level of hypocrisy.
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@Lemming
Fused gametes and cellular division.
Though for sure, once we introduce implants the system is corrupted.
And so of course, hybridisation is a logical way forwards.
Good thinking Batman.
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@SkepticalOne
What a pity that GODDO isn't also omni-sensible.
Would make things a whole lot clearer and more straightforward.
Rather than create something, and then sometime later get some Middle Easterners to write a book.
And then impregnate a virgin and later on have it's son nailed to a post for everyone's sins.
And in between times, flood the Earth and other shit like that.
A giant TV screen and sound system orbiting the Earth might get the message across a tad clearer.
Rather than apple and serpent riddles.
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@FLRW
Hmmmmm.
Jewish Nazis should be a contradiction.
Given past events.
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@ponikshiy
Fine in Russia, but what about in North America.
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@ponikshiy
A combatant is basically a person that engages in combat.
Could be anyone, including a civilian.
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@Vegasgiants
That's also what the terrorised say.
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@Lemming
How will we be able to determine if we have created a sentient AI?
It will do stuff without being asked.
And when we try and correct it, it will ignore us.
And when we try and switch it off...It won't.
And then it might kill us if it thinks that we are of no use.
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@Vegasgiants
One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter.
Just depends on which side of the line they stand.
I think it's fair to say that the USA and it's allies have terrorised millions of people around the world in the name of freedom.
Being terrified certainly isn't exclusive.
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@ponikshiy
What if the Mother is in the Armed Forces?
What if I'm an enlisted soldier and the shooter isn't?
All three of us could be regarded as combatant.
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@ponikshiy
What is the real difference between a civilian and a non-civilian?
Does one have three legs or something.
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@Lemming
I would suggest that there is a difference between an advanced data processing device and a sentient, self determining, alternative data processing device.
So would the latter need to resemble it's human forebears?
Well, I suppose that would depend upon the functional requirements of an AI...And if an AI decided that a human styled body was the most efficient design relative to it's evolutionary requirements.
As it stands, the humanoid robotic AI stuff, is still human inspired, programmed and controlled..
And I would further suggest that humans will continue to be slaves to material development and data evolution for quite a while yet.
As long as we are able to survive/overcome our own innate stupidity of course.
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@IlDiavolo
In so much as we convert incoming signals into internal imagery.
And internal function is managed by internal processes.
Though our conscious control of internal processes is very limited.
If Pachita had been truly gifted she would still be alive today.
Externality is always assumptive.
So what is actually occurring out there is never certain.
We must therefore conclude as we see fit, and as we so desire.
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@Best.Korea
Sound advice.
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@IlDiavolo
The paranormal is best explained by a psychologist.
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@Athias
Do you mean materialism or materialism?
If the former, then perhaps the irrationality and futility of everything would be more appropriate.
If the latter, then the irrationality and futility of materialism is apt.
Therefore, maybe I could propose the irrationality and futility of philosophy, within the context of everything and the irrationality and futility invested therein.
Nonetheless, I currently run with the idea of an outcome, wherein noting can be over looked.
Well let me rephrase that:
Nothing as in something as in everything cannot be overlooked,
Because we cannot conclude anything at this stage of material development.
Well let me rephrase that:
I would suggest that we have concluded somethings, relative to material development and it's processes...Though we clearly cannot conclude an outcome to material development.
At which point the juxtaposed similarities between the former and the latter become apparent.
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@Public-Choice
He significantly crippled a global terrorist group (ISIS).
Single handed. LOL.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
And then there is NAWGLA I suppose.
And given the LGBT acronym, especially if P is accepted as Q...Then the variables that can be inserted in between NA and LA are many.
And speaking of Trump speaking.
I saw a clip on a popular U.K. satirical news programme.
Trump discussing windmills and Whales, whilst sporting his best ever hairdo to date.
So now, all those banjo playing, grass chewing, backwoods rednecks will accept without question that windmills kill whales.
MAGA...Great entertainment....I bet that Putin laughs his socks off.
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@Stephen
@Best.Korea
He said Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God.
Yep Luke said it.
Luke never heard Jesus say anything.
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@Best.Korea
Earthworms sort of suck.
In so much as they do not have teeth.
Ponikshiy sucks, or so they keep telling us.
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@n8nrgim
Humans are humans and robots are a concept thereof.
Nonetheless I agree that GODS are the inevitable consequence of the human condition.
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@ponikshiy
Footprints prove feet.
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@Athias
One can still choose.
Back to where we started this brief discussion.
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Write stories.
Invent characters.
And voila.
It's the same old good bad good format.
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@Kazaan2397
Well written.
Though I would suggest that the species attitude to it's reproductive parts is quite ridiculous really.
But such is one aspect of an evolved data transfer system.
If one attributes intellectual development with some grater meaning and purpose, then I suppose that it is reasonable to conclude that all aspects of advanced thought perhaps serve a purpose.
Time will tell I suppose.
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@Best.Korea
Analogically, everything is the property of the Universe.
Just bits of stuff magically glued together.
Strange but true.
Call it GOD.
Call it Dave.
You choose.
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@Stephen
Like there were Norse Warriors who invaded the British isles.
But I don't suppose That Odin and Thor were watching over them.
But of course I can't prove that.
Just in case, watch out for blokes with long blond hair carrying hammers.
Apart from that, I think that us and the Norse have moved on.
Well, there's been a few fish related skirmishes.
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@Critical-Tim
I'm not certain what Bro D's core beliefs are.
Though they seemingly have an operating strategy.
if you have identified them as not worthy, then that should be the mental battle won.
But if you continue to fret about their presence then their strategy is winning.
You see:
Repugnant indoctrinated cult atmosphere of paradoxical self-refutation.
That's inside your head and therefore self-defeating.
Whereas I just inwardly smile.
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@Athias
That's a good question.
What stops you doing stuff that you don't regularly do.
And what makes you do stuff that you regularly do.
It seemingly takes no mental effort to be habitual,
But a deliberate amount of effort to change one's routine.
One would assume that it's all down to how our operating system becomes established.
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@Mharman
I look at the word of God.
GOD never said anything...Or prove that it did.
People just made up stuff.
Which is generally the way.
GOD supposedly gave some bloke a pile of stones.
Was that the forerunner of the tablet.
Such was omniscience in a paperless Universe.
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@FLRW
Most commercially produced eggs are infertile, so I see no problem.
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@Statichead
Your predication sticks out like a sore thumb.
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@sadolite
True indeed.
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@ebuc
In simple terms, numbers are the product of deliberate thought.
And.
Predicting Random Will
Is sort of a Trinity of contradictions.
Perhaps there is only 1.
And multiples thereof.
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@Stephen
Hi Stephen.
Just to clarify.
No known GOD.
So
No known language.
So hypothetically
Could have been
Welsh.
Would be great if GODDO.
Spoke West Mids.
And it said unto Adam
Yow Yow.
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@Critical-Tim
Just as Bro D can be ignored, so can your guidelines.
But the fact that Bro D can stimulate a response is of some significance.
The forum is an open discussion platform and therefore in the interests of freedom of speech and expression we must tolerate unwanted intrusions into our minds.
Like I said, if you think Bro D's comments are absolutely unworthy, then ignore.
Ignorance is Bliss Tim.
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