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@Critical-Tim
A. Depends greatly upon primary data sources and programming.
B. And the acquired data of the ongoing programmers.
C. Nowadays that must also include social media.
As I see it self-coercion is B and C relative to A.
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@Tradesecret
People who don't accept that GODS are anything more than naive fantasy creation hypotheses.
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@triangle.128k
All as daft as one another.
Basing everything on fantasy blokes.
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@eventuality001
Petty squabbling over who's fantasy tale is the best.
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@Best.Korea
Typical religious stuff, written by men.
The original obviously wasn't written in English though.
Designed as a system of social control.
And when people said they didn't want to be controlled.
They were brutally repressed.
Same old human, ungodly shit Eugene.
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@3RU7AL
Yep, we are in agreement.
I haven't missed anything there.
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@Stephen
It's amazing that humans still can't come to terms with the penis vagina thing.
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@Sidewalker
Exactly.
Something from Nothing.
I've no idea.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Penis angst.
It's those rigid childhoods that does it.
Bend ye over in the name of GOD.
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@Intelligence_06
Bravo Intelligence_06.
Have a good day.
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@Best.Korea
@Sidewalker
How can you explain the existence of God?
Yep
Game over before it started theists.
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@Stephen
Not so many of these Prophet types seem to have been farmers though.
10% of nothing ain't a lot.
So conmen who defrauded elderly women, is about the strength of it.
And Mr Omni...What is Mr Omni doing sniffing widows?
Unmarried virgins is Mr Omni's bag.
And so J the B was the greatest insectivore then.
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So how did these Prophet guys make a living.
Were they paid by GOD.
Or was prophecy just a hobby.
One assumes that in typical style, there were women scurrying around in the background, actually doing all the necessary stuff.
So John was paid to do the water stuff, and perhaps preferred ornithology.
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@Athias
Well, I assume that Universal progress goes from A to Z...(Then back to A perhaps)
And events therefore all follow a previous event.
Or just one big event.
Or both.
Just as a life goes from A to Z.
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@Double_R
Anything that occurs within a Universe at any given moment, occurs naturally.
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@sadolite
Yep.
It will probably all boil down to a binary sequence in the end.
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@FLRW
Could have sworn that was Alun Armstrong.
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@3RU7AL
Functionality as in processing equipment.
The variability of stored data and it's application is another issue.
Though data is largely the same...Just applied differently.
It's not that the Atheist computer does not store Theist data...Or vice versa.
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@FLRW
True.
If you teach your kids nonsense they will grow up believing in nonsense.
Trouble is...Once they are taught nonsense, it's almost impossible to get them to forget it.
Where to start?
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@Reece101
Yep.
And the same could be said for the other side.
And most conflicts are similarly inspired.
The human daft gene doesn't respect borders or have ideological preferences.
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@triangle.128k
Actually Allah is as unclear as every other God.
In fact one might think that they didn't actually exist at all.
Must be my daft gene.
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@Best.Korea
I think that the current spat is more about the persistent Palestinian rocket displays.
But for sure Israel isn't strong on secularism, so is a tad blunt with it's ideological oppression.
Though the same could probably be said for the other lot if they got the chance.
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@triangle.128k
Same old fantasy GOD...Allah is just a representative symbol or sound.
I expect that he also told the "Zionist" to bomb the fuck out of Islamic militants.
I bet that him and the angels are currently having a right laugh.
Why do you think that he programmed us with the daft gene?
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@Savant
Morals are made up, variable and adaptable.
We will apply morals as we see fit, in response to circumstance.
Sitting in the relative comfort and security of out places of detachment, we can scratch our chins all day long and discuss trolleys.
Such are our circumstances.
And then the aeroplanes struck the Twin Towers.
And the inalienable human rights of the Afghani citizen and their trolley, were modified accordingly.
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@triangle.128k
"Israel must be destroyed" is not a fact, it's a proposition.
Destroying Israel will not change the stupid human animal, will not solve a problem and will not achieve a lasting World peace.
You are simply exhibiting a bias for one side of the two sided coin.
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@Reece101
If the whole of humanity was Islamic, then the silly fu*kers would still fight each other.
Because a side effect of the clever human animal, is the stupid human animal.
No, a complete and utter modification of human DNA is the only way to bring about a peaceful and cooperative species.
Mr Omniscient obviously knew about all this. LOL
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@IlDiavolo
Depends how one defines belief I suppose.
Though the general definition is acceptance without proof.
So for example, one accepts that a god exists even though one cannot prove that a god exists.
As the acceptance is based upon supposition, then the proposition is futile, in so much as the outcome cannot be definitive.
Though for sure, wider use of the word also describes a looser sort of indefinite expectancy, based upon supposition.
But as I see it...When the proposition is momentous rather than casual, then certainty should be vital.
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@FLRW
Well, my van is diesel, but it's brain will get annoyed and switch off if it doesn't get it's regular fix of urea.
White Intelligent Vans Exhibiting Superiority.
WIVES.
Analogical Acronym.
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@Lemming
Well I think that originally the acronym referred to Artificial Intelligence.
Though I have always thought that Alternative was preferable.
In so much as Intelligence is Intelligence whatever it's origin.
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@triangle.128k
The whole face of the earth needs a good wipe off.
Let's start with all the ideological idiots with flags and guns.
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@FLRW
We are constrained by everything that constrains us.
Which is loads of stuff.
At best, freedom is sort of not feeling too constrained sometimes.
I suppose that death frees the mass from the constraints imposed by existence.
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@n8nrgim
Check the dictionary.
There is no necessity for evidence to be prove anything.
It's a shame that we cannot recount Dead Experiences.
Only Not Dead ones...Otherwise known as Alive Experiences.
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@Best.Korea
Occupator.
Very Latin.
People love to fight, especially men with high testosterone levels.
Flags may vary.
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@Swagnarok
In a nutshell.
People make this stuff up for a reason.
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@FLRW
NDE.
Not Dead Experience.
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@IlDiavolo
Belief is futile.
If you know something you know it.
If you don't you don't.
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@Critical-Tim
For sure, intersubjectivity forms communities
Just as it forms other communities.
Sort of states the obvious, but doesn't universally validate any particular set of subjective data.
Just forms varying intersubjective versions of subjective data...As we know all too well.
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@Lemming
Your preferences are based upon your conditioning.
So you prefer what you are used to.
As does the other guy.
So separate societies developed with different values.
And no doubt the other guy can make up their own dramatic examples of your society, which they do not regard as preferable.
So even if you choose to start the clock in 1948. I still don't see the Israeli as necessarily the good guy.
But let's be realistic...The conflict started thousands of years before that.
And who cast the first stone?
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@Lemming
Nonetheless, intelligently designed devices are as clever as us in respect of their ability to calculate and disseminate data rapidly and accurately.
So we're clever and created them, but are now dependant upon them.
What I would regard as a phase of material evolution and intellectual development.
Though the human has taken 300000 years to get this far, whereas the device has taken less than 100.
So, 300000 years and "AI" is now a necessary component of the evolutionary puzzle.
But if the term artificial intelligence doesn't seem apt, the let's refer to it as Alternative Data Management and Processing Systems.
So what about 100 or 1000 years from now.
Our mental agility will never keep up with ADMAPS, and ADMAPS will certainly evolve further.
Do you like the acronym?
So, GOD created ADAM and we created ADMAPS.
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@FLRW
Draft dodging is a military experience of sorts.
Though I'm not sure that your actual military experience inevitably makes for a more rounded individual...Probably quite the contrary in some cases.
Would depend upon the individual and their previous experiences I suppose.
I think that it would also be fair to suggest that a privileged draft dodger is also unlikely to be a rounded individual.
I'm not sure what makes for a well rounded individual...Burgers and fries perhaps.
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@Athias
That is a presumption with no substantiated basis.
This is undoubtedly and inevitably a truism.
What you have concluded is riddled with contradiction as it concerns materialist description.
Undoubtedly and inevitably, under the circumstances.
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@Athias
OK.
So I'm uncertain as to how you're using "prescription" in that statement.
And I would suggest that either presuming or not presuming to dictate that which I WOULD do, is like tying the stick and carrot to the donkeys tail.
Or, leaving the stick and carrot in the stable.
Though I suppose that relative to this brief discussion, I CAN as you can, as we will do relative to a cause.
Which won't necessarily result in a prescribed outcome.
As a cause might stimulate an alternative effect, which relative to this discourse would not necessarily be disingenuous.
Or perhaps I should say, SHOULD not necessarily be regarded as necessarily disingenuous.
Words are fun, are they not?
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@Lemming
An AI acting like a human doesn't make it human though.
Exactly.
As I tried to point out, a human is a specific organically derived mass that exhibits intelligence.
Whereas AI is an Another Intelligence source, otherwise derived.
I would suggest that you are confusing "robots" and intelligence.
Though as I pointed out previously, other intelligence sources do not necessarily need to be human shaped...I think that this is more of a sci-fi requirement.
And the intelligence processing unit is unlikely to resemble the human brain.
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@Lemming
There's very little about humans and their developed societies that isn't contrived.
Separatism is a result of the past and therefore a result of ongoing contrived memories.
Values are no more or less contrived...From my view anyway.
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@Lemming
Intelligence is a state of mind relative to the acquisition and application of knowledge.
Stupidity is a state of mind relative to the acquisition and application of knowledge.
Sensible is a state of mind relative to the acquisition and application of knowledge.
So humans can either be Intelligent and stupid or intelligent and sensible.
So as I see it, intelligent people killing each other on the basis of memories and contrived differences are stupid.
Whereas forgetting the past and sharing a beer and some food is sensible.
Sadly humans have a preferential propensity for the former.
Intelligent, but still in the cave fighting monsters.
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@Lemming
Potentially.
Just as a pile of electronics and mechanical parts is potentially an AI...(Or it might be a vegetable on another planet)...Who knows.
Though vegetables have a similar reproductive format.
Therein and in response to your perplexity, I was attempting to suggest how one might differentiate and therefore explain what makes people.
How we might or might not differentiate between an embryo and a person is largely a semantics and ideological issue of choice.
Though as cellular division proceeds, then similarity becomes more marked.
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@Lemming
Hopefully there is another Planet far far away, where the dominant species didn't evolve to be quite so stupid.
Or maybe we will evolve and eventually become more sensible.
Big asks I know.
Or maybe after nuclear extinction, another intelligence will develop here on Earth, with more of a positive and unified spin on things.
Clutching at straws I know.
Nonetheless, what the fuck will we care once we are dead?
Have a nice day.
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@Best.Korea
Dick fiddling.
300 000 years
And the ongoing inability of the human species to come to terms with genitalia and procreation.
LGBTQ is surely the answer.
LOL.
Humans
Are BRILLIANT.
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@ponikshiy
I knew this anyway.
The point I was making was that when push comes to shove all human masses are equally as squidgy.
The label is irrelevant when the bomb or bullet hits.
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