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All governments dictate.

How they dictate is another matter..

Must be indicative of something.

All established data programmes are formed at a young age.

The reason why religious pseudo-hypotheses are easily transferred and perpetuated.

Anger results from not getting ones own way.

I would suggest that you find Bro D's pseudo-anger  and clever rhetoric somewhat frustrating.

Just be content with what you think you know.

And we will walk hand in hand into the valley of death.

Peace and bliss Bro Sidewalker.

Please explain.

I don't think that you would ever stop people buying.

Why doesn't inflation stop people buying?

Food and fuel prices fluctuate but we cannot continually wait for a reduction in price...We buy out of necessity.

Though I was actually pointing out that slower inflation is not the same as deflation.

Communism is a word usually associated with a specific ideology, to which British society is not applicable as such.

Though for sure, one can redefine and  repurpose the word and apply it to any society.

Nonetheless, all societies function on the basis of an unequal hierarchical structure and an unequal distribution of resources, and therefore are never comparable with the philosophical ideal that is referred to as communism.

Inflation will always go up...But perhaps less quickly.

Deflation would be good.

Communism, good idea on paper, bad in practice.

Just another hierarchical system, run by a bunch of selfish arseholes.

175. Avoid stressful lists of things to do.

He made them laugh.

Death precludes my hopes.

And tomorrow never comes

I like them very much.

Absolutely.

Past is History

Gone forever

Except for memory

Move on.

Can we convince 8 billion people, not to keep living for the past GP?

Well.

You won't of heard of it because I made it up.

Let me explain.

So everything, as in a primary universal creation event, is/was a purely chance occurrence and therefore essentially purposeless.

Nonetheless, the evolving purposeless universe created it's own purpose, whereby it was able to successively re-create itself.

Within this context the evolution of intelligent and manipulative structures is probably the  key factor.

Intelligent and manipulative structures are the GOD that perpetuates the universal and material sequence, if you like.

Whether or not Earthborn humans are the ultimate manifestation of manipulative structures and therefore the ultimate GOD, will depend perhaps on two factors.

1. A.I...As in Earthborn alternative intelligence.

2. A.I...As in Alien intelligence of some other origin.

Perhaps sounds a bit Sci-fi.

But I think in essence, as reasonable a hypothesis as any other.

Though, the beginning remains unanswerable.

And any previous GOD will either require a previous GOD or a chance event.

Divided opinions.

"Like".

Being the operative word.

Engage with the World or die Trade.

Overthink the condition and...

Vegan woman dies of starvation.

Ok retreating into little Worlds and communes, if you follow the same general rules that I listed above.

Little Worlds and communes require effort Trade and not just overthink.

Past Queen revered by sycophants.

Though sycophancy is seemingly a human trait.

Orwell...Good to read, but wasn't perfect...Marxist style social hypocrisy.

Oh Dear, people still harping on about one cherry picked aspect of human slavery.

So where were your ancestors 500 years ago GP?

Though I think that the French were more prevalent in the swampier regions.

And the Spanish preferred the hotter drier bits.

Brits have a temperate tendency.

What is your ancestry GP?

Getting colonized.

Certainly sounds like your sister being wooed in the swampy backwoods.

Or your Bro.

Nope, not a personal obsession of mine.

Though I always remember the opening lines of The Return of the Native by Thomas Hardy, for Monty Python reasons.

Surreal late 60'sand early 70's British comedy.

Hey.

Just keep spending.

And borrow some more.

It's all just numbers or bits of paper.

Missiles, buy 1 get a hundred free.

Cost of living high...Just cut back on the fancier stuff, like cosmetic dentistry, therapists and gadgets.

Who needs to be thinking straight with a perfect smile and a top of the range device, when the nuke hits.

Just grin for a second and your teeth will shine like the sun.

Mother fucking dorks in checked shirts and red hats love pseudo-revolutionary bullshit , and have an inbuilt distrust of honest decent people.

Is this a jaundiced British image of an average American.

Because I never met any when I was there.

Perhaps they were all hiding in the swamps and backwoods making moonshine and out wooing their sister.

Firstly, let me reiterate...I do not believe.

In this instance I am aware of two basic options, namely purposeful and purposeless, and one can provide arguments and reasons or both.

Though interestingly a third option arises, namely purposeful purposelessness, and I think that in this option is where my preferred ideas are founded.

I would agree.

As I stated, altruism has to be affordable in every sense of the word.

And I would also suggest that altruism must also be self-rewarding.

All you need is to be smarter than the Police.

Hey. 

String letters together and make words...Who needs a dictionary to put them in.

In that sense you have loads more words than someone with an English degree (Australian).

Do you play the didgeridoo Deb?

Or is it the dijjereedoo Deb?

Or the didjheridodah?

Or dijjin her doodah.

Altruism depends upon the survivability of the altruist.

I wasn't necessarily implying financial affordability.

Though financial affordability is obviously a modern necessity.

Pre Darwin, Darwin or post Darwin.

My thoughts and ideas generally centre around the universal purpose/chance conundrum.

And as you have probably noticed I tend to run with universal purpose.

Whereby everything from start to finish has an inbuilt purpose/strategy.

So species and species survival and development comes with an inbuilt purpose/strategy.

Joseph Heller...Catch 22.

Have you never heard the expression?

I was just suggesting that for every positive there is an inevitable negative.

Sort of a balance thing.

Overthink... Clever and stupid.

Everything that occurs within a universe at any given moment is naturally occurring...Zed

Deb.

No worries

Your vocabulary is in the top 1%.

As regularly demonstrated.

We're examining the human condition yet again.

Relative to the self, and the conflict/balance between the nature of the instinctive and the nature of intellect and conceptuality.

And as ever, we could always expand the discussion to include the universal role of the intellectual species.

Can we truly act selflessly.

Perhaps in extreme circumstances, we are programmed to put the survival of the species before the survival of the self.

Though one can only be an altruist, if one can afford to be an altruist.

I've just been referencing overthink in another forum.

Get up, defecate and urinate as necessary, ablute, eat, go to work perhaps, eat, defecate and urinate as necessary, work perhaps, return home, eat, defecate and urinate as necessary, do a bit of religion and/or some other hobby, watch T.V, defecate and urinate as necessary, go to bed, have sex or masturbate perhaps.

Or do you mean a monastic existence.

Similar to above, just add more praying and chanting to the mix and call it work.

Such is the religious person

Not so remarkably different to the person.

Variable overthink of course...Religion, football, other sports, gardening,  etc etc etc.

Got to pad out the day with something now that the supermarket has replaced hunter gathering.

The drawbacks of overthink.

Which isn't to say that overthink doesn't have it's benefits.

Catch 22

Yin and Yang.

"Independent of personal perspective or bias."

Is this possible?

How can we achieve a state of independence from ourselves and our independent functional processes.

Ask Tarik.

Isn't I.Q a measure of critical thinking?

Or a measure of one's ability to critically think?

True.

But it's the knowledge that is vital, and  not the product per se.

Though I was really questioning whether the expensive product is necessary in all cases. 

The expensive product being the degree sold by the for profit educational business.

Is the fruit an orange or a lemon...It might take me less than a second to process the incoming data, decide and produce a verifiable answer.

But process it I must.

I must process it, but.

Such is cognitive dissonance.

Cognitive dissonance is such.

Everything is actually subjective.

Objectivity is always an assumption.

Like nihilism.

And  like morality.

We exist in an internally simulated World and can only assume that what we conclude from sensory input is a true representation of an external reality.

Though I bet for most U.S. citizens Sunday morning is still the same, just a day different to yesterday.

My daughter went to university acquired a degree in geography and then got a job in pharmacology and retrained in the work place.

I would suggest that a degree is just C.V. B.S.

And that in the main higher education is just another  business, selling a very expensive must have product to a gullible public.

A bit like sending worker Bees to Bee university to get a degree in Queen Bee.

Q. So you got a First Class honours in Queen Bee. What do you do now?

A. I'm a worker Bee.

Similar ideas I think.

Though to a greater degree yours focuses upon the metaphysical and spiritual aspects of the mind, whereas mine focuses upon the physicality of the universe and it's properties and the role of intellectual structures therein. 

But even though I'm not an anti-pronoun fan, in this instance I would definitely say that GOD does not require pronouns.

"To know him"...Just reinforces the certainty that GOD of the bible was simply a GOD made in the image of men. Which for sure  can be regarded as analogous, but I'm not convinced that the original intention was analogical. More of a best idea, born of a state of ignorance, reinforcing the planetary dominance of men.

Which is not to say that we are not still largely ignorant. Though 2000 years or so, of scientific observation and material progress alludes to something other than magical mystery supermen.

Though I never discount the idea that we could be the descendants of an extra-terrestrial super-hominid.

But where did they go and why do they not visit.

Perhaps we are the super-hominid, and it's up to us to colonise the universe...One day when we've sorted out all our petty Earthbound disagreements...Hmmmmmm.

But of course, we now have A.I. to consider...Alternative intelligence as I prefer to call it.

The decline of the Universe starts when?

At the beginning or in the middle?

And so when do we or our successors invoke the GOD principle?

Hopefully there is a broad window of opportunity.

Scientifically true Tim.

Religiously...Analogically representative of the truth Tim.

So in this instance Bro, not necessarily an appropriate criticism.

Just saying Bro.

Have a nice day.

LGBT etc. Take over of media and entertainment industry. (In the UK).

All a bit too  insipid and obsequious  for me.

As long as we're killed outright, then nothing to worry about.

So don't let media propaganda worry you in the meantime.

Have a nice day.

39th wedding anniversary 4th September, away to the coast for a few days, weather forecast very good.

Hopefully no bombs until next weekend.

Hopefully make it to 40.

Well, it's all in the punctuation.

I'm basically asking, is there is a purpose to humanity greater than itself.

And I don't believe anything.

We can only compare what we know with a hypothesis of a pre-determined purpose.

As a suggestion, I would propose that the ultimate purpose might be the re-initiation and perpetuation of a universal sequence. (The BIG WHOOOOOSH)

Within that context, intellectual structures would play the role of GOD.

Which if you think about it, fits quite nicely with a lot of religious analogous ideology.

GOD existing outside of the universe...In a previous universe as it were.

You cannot build a coherent concept off of a contradiction.

Depends upon how one compartmentalises and/or rearranges data. 

Zebras are black with white stripes and white with black stripes. 

Therefore Zebras can be identified as black and white striped ungulates.

We all discriminate.......It's an internal survival mechanism.

Racism is perhaps best described as a stupid response to discrimination.

And for sure it is difficult to reason with stupidity.

Whereas discrimination can easily be overridden.

Stupidity in this context is perhaps best defined as intransigence relative to established ideas.

Functionally, a theist and an atheist are the same.

Cognitive outcomes and labels might vary, but function and process are the same. 

So deism is true, in so much as we cannot deny outcomes.

So similarly theism is also true.

Though whether or not outcomes are correct representations of real universal events, is another and indeterminate issue.

If one can assume the right to kill a bear.

Then  one can assume the right to do anything.

So the clever bloke in the cave next door who doesn't risk his neck hunting bears, assumed the right to take your bear meat when you are asleep.

And of course, when you were out bear hunting, your neighbour was taking care of your partner, and cleverly spreading his clever genes.

Didn't ever you wonder why Mrs Cavelemming always had a headache.

I would suggest that starting in the past and attempting to work forwards from now, is shown by past experiences to be a flawed idea.

The inevitable pro's and con's of the emotional thinking device I suppose.

Though, as long as we respect and protect material innovators, progress will tick onwards.

How many of the current 8 billion are actually necessary do you think?

Cognitive and physical ability should certainly be tested.

Because they are quite important jobs.

Do you think, that there is a greater pre-determined purpose to the evolution of thinking and manipulative structures.

Evolution as in material development from a point of creation.

Creation as in an indeterminate beginning. rather than an assumptive beginning.