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@Best.Korea
The problem of war machine is stupid clever people.
Stupid clever is a tad ironic don't you think?
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@Athias
Covid vaccines appear to have been efficacious in what they set out to achieve.
And not the intended doomsday drugs as predicted by the conspiracy theorists.
I would suggest that denial and conspiracy theory are coping strategies.
And in terms of probability, denial is a still small risk especially for reasonably fit people.
But as Mr Lamb et al show, there is certainly still risk.
Though I firmly support personal choice.
I Hope that you continue to enjoy good health Athias.
I have been vaccinated and contracted Covid, and still enjoy good health.
So we're all good for now.
And for sure there are greater risks to health other than Covid.
Like being unreasonably unfit, or having a genetic predisposition to cancer and other serious ailments.
Or being a Russian or Ukrainian soldier.
Covid vaccine simply addressed one public health issue.
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@n8nrgim
Half a Planck's length would be smaller.
Or do you mean a plank of wood?
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@IlDiavolo
@Lemming
I would suggest that criminality anywhere will inevitably favour weapons.
Though the majority of ordinary* British citizens do not carry knifes, whereas in the U.S. a high proportion of the populous own guns.
And I would also suggest that it is something of an Inherent American fallacy, that Muslim criminals are somehow worse or more abundant than any other criminal.
*Ordinary...Ordinary is as ordinary is perceived I suppose.
I suppose for the criminal, criminality is ordinary.
And I also suppose that in the U.S. owning firearms is ordinary.
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@Lemming
I think that reacting in a certain way to certain situations becomes a standard social expectation.
The currently popular Spanish football issue is a good example of a recently acquired adverse response to what was previously a normal situation.
I'm not sure that any of this type of behaviour actually improves human society.
Just creates new divisions.
Just like 2000 years ago...New religion created new division.
Reading the bible proves that MEN wrote the bible, and a book written by men will never prove GOD
That said...As an archaic hypothesis, some of the myths and tales of the OT and reasonably analogous. Adam and Eve being a prime example.
NT is the writings of gullible men...Hero worshipping charismatic individuals and elevating them to a mythical status is a common phenomena, and the perpetuation of myths is also common practice.
So much of the modern bible was fabricated way after the event.
I'm not sure that we can learn much from tall tales or extract a great deal historical fact from the extensively translated, transcribed and reinterpreted Christian bible.
The post-dated exaggerations of gullible sycophants should never be taken at face value. That's a simple lesson to learn.
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@FLRW
Money and wealth and debt, are one aspect of social control/order.
Seems to work though.
Especially if it's backed up with armies, with plenty of equipment.
And something just made it back to the Moon in a rocket.
That's 54 years of progress then.
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@cristo71
@ADreamOfLiberty
45 seconds that could otherwise be spent masturbating or cleaning your teeth.
Because one only finds out that the choice was a bad one, post choice.
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@Lemming
So poorly constructed buildings collapse and people are killed.
Time to write GOD myth theory for sure.
Do you remember when those goats almost drowned in the swollen river.
And a women named Nora rowed out and rescued them.
Ended up with the big boat GOD myth theory.
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@FLRW
Good Old Rudy.
But I will only ever remember the desperate guy in the shabby parking lot with hair dye trickling down his face.
Such is one reason why people should grow old gracefully.
Taught faces and turkey necks is another.
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@Greyparrot
People with issues, and modern expectations.
People with issues and old values.
Too much divisive media propaganda/entertainment, keen to air the views of the people with issues.
And then there is everyone else who get's up in the morning and goes to bed in the evening.
Same old shit Eugene.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
No photo.
Heaven sure is omniscient.
I'm in though.
Just give me your access codes and bank account details and leave all the paperwork to me.
Do you want a receipt. Deb.
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@ebuc
I was seeking philosophical clarification.
Because even philosophically, a human centred hypothesis would have to include all the baggage that comes with humans.
Whereas a GOD centred hypothesis just relies upon hypothetical trust or mistrust in a hypothetical GOD.
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@ebuc
Yep that's exactly it.
How do occupied and unoccupied occur simultaneously.
In two separate spaces, or in one overall space.
As I see it, there is only one space with loosely defined regions of occupation and unoccupation.
Thereby, occupied is finite but expanding, and unoccupied remains infinite.
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@ebuc
Hmmmmm.
Sorry to be difficult.
But who or what is offering this hypothetical opportunity?
If it is simply a human ballot with no accompanying guarantee to act upon the result, then I would typically abstain.
Because as FLRW implies, Mr Putin et al would simply ignore the result.
If it were a GOD making the offer with guarantees, then I would vote in favour of removal.
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@sadolite
From the point of view of a cohesive society...I'm not sure that private indoctrination has benefits over public indoctrination.
Notwithstanding that for the first few crucial years of a child's life in terms of learning, in most cases indoctrination is solely the responsibility of the immediate family.
In the main people with unverifiable and unscrutinised credentials as educators.
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@sadolite
Yep...Overtly subjective.
But nonetheless...Hypothetically Og had an evolved intellect with the ability to differentiate between experiences that would latterly become to be classifiable as good and evil.
When this realisation actually occurred for the first time, is impossible to say. (How long is the thinking hominids timeline)
Would certainly pre-date written records though.
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@ebuc
Two primary kinds of space.
Yep I get that.
But do the two primary kinds of space occur together in the same overall space or in two separate spaces?
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@ebuc
I occasionally experience the disconcerting sensation/dream of not being awake but thinking that I am.
I then desperately try and wake myself.
Perhaps quite a common dream/sleep experience.
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@Best.Korea
Warmer by a few degrees, which makes a lot of difference.
Hotter, when the wildfires ignite.
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@ebuc
Therefore you are proposing that there is more than one space.
Otherwise unoccupied space would be essentially be in the same space as occupied space.
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@ebuc
I'm addicted to oxygen.
If I don't get my fix regularly, I hyper-ventilate.
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@sadolite
Probably when Ug rescued Og when Nog hit Og over the head with his club.
Hence the prehistoric expressions Ug-ood and Nog-ood.
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@n8nrgim
So how many different words do you have stored in your database?
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@sadolite
Not sure what the Hebrew for good and evil is, as my computer doesn't handle Hebrew text.
Though the words good and evil are stated in the dictionary as being English of German/Dutch origin.
Often old English is derived from French and primarily Latin origins, but in this case bonum and malum are not the root words..
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@sadolite
Subjective tenets Mr S.
Subjective tenets attributed to a subjective hypotheses.
And the words good and evil are very much western derivatives from previous concepts.
And are applicable within appropriate contexts, but are often loosely applied in inappropriate contexts.
And are latterly used to insinuate the opposite of their primary intent.
Such is the fluidity of words and language.
See how I used the word fluidity there.
And appropriation is very much as appropriation does, when it comes to the organisation of data and the output of corresponding sounds.
Their actions are neither good nor evil, their actions serve them which is all that matters.
Here here.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
#13
So the Kim loving, god fearer comes out of the closet and becomes the new me.
Someone has been paying attention.
Or they lead us a merry dance.
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@Critical-Tim
Anyone can create a name for a tactic.
Nonetheless in my response to BK, I was simply agreeing that the infinite questioning or circular reasoning of an unattainable conclusion to a hypothesis, will therefore achieve nothing more than the acquired mental stimulation that it generates. Which in of itself is a reasonable outcome.
And most certainly, I have acquired new ideas and ways of thinking from such discussions.
Though when the circumference of the circle is so short, it becomes a circular rant.
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Red hatters love an Indian.
Make America Great Again.
Eat curry.
Play the banjo.
Chew grass.
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@Best.Korea
Hypothetically going around in circles, passes the time of day.
Or should I say, going around in hypothetical circles.
Or if there is no end and no beginning, then does it matter in which order the words occur?
Hypothetical circles going around in hypothetical circles going around in circles hypothetically going around hypothetically in circles...And so on.
Infinite question fallacy for sure.
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@Best.Korea
If it can be programmed then it is just a programmable data manipulating device.
Not much different to giving kids a book and saying read that.
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@n8nrgim
Are we not adapting.
Isn't taking measures to reverse global trends, adapting.
Doing nothing would be not adapting.
Ultimately the question is, will Planet earth's ecosystem survive.
Finance and living standards are human frippery in comparison.
Perhaps the best solution, would be a large scale and rapid reduction in human activity.
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@FishChaser
Debateart.com. Deals loosely with operational considerations.
You would be better off posting this in the philosophy forum.
Interesting idea though.
In what sense are you using the term addiction?
Purely physical or physiological?
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@Best.Korea
Nope .
I was questioning you in response to your post, rather than suggesting methods of population control.
I was asking why would A.I. bother to improve human intellect.
In terms of intellectual dominance it would be far better for A.I. to selectively breed and programme a worker species rather than an intellectual species.
In that context I can't see the need for eight billion humans wasting resources.
Abortion and vaccination is human twaddle.
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@Critical-Tim
We have been
Humanity...It's what we have been doing.
Though I was referring specifically to the perpetual battle between Christian and Muslim ideology.
"Terrorism" is no more or less the same as war....US led war on terror kills as many if not more civilians as Islamic terror does.
I'm not sure that in terms of "morality", dressing up war in some sort of global legal framework makes a whole lot of difference when the bomb hits.
We have an obligation.
Then why do "we" perpetuate the immoral ideological battle.
And by we, I mean everyone.
Well, presumably because we attribute our respective ideologies with having some sort of greater moral integrity.
Arguments have two sides.
And there is no greater moral authority to judge which side is righteous.
So we rely upon disparate assumptions of righteousness and apply actions relative to disparate ideological values, irrespective of "intrinsic" human moral awareness.
Which to me suggests that "morality in of itself" is no more than an ongoing and variable assumption relative to circumstance.
And intrinsic awareness is no more than an acquired and modifiable data programme, rather than an instinctive species programme.
Instinctively, survival is everything, and survival is dependant primarily upon the self.
Association has it's benefits, though respect for associates diminishes the wider the circle of association becomes.
And the individual selfishly learns to utilise association for the benefit of the self and it's survival.
So I would suggest that idea of morality is no more than an acquired means to survival.
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@ebuc
As I stated.....Joe is OK.
The too old, was relative to the sleepy Joe thing.
How incisive he might be at 80 years of age, might be discussion point.
How incisive he might be at 85 might be another issue.
Might to might be ratio declining rapidly.
Donald not too far behind.
Though I'm not sure how steep his intellectual incline ever was.
Along with a lot of the red hatted backwood brigade.
They play a mean banjo though.
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@ebuc
Nice.
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@Best.Korea
A Zedku for BK.
Hypothetical problems,
For hypothetical GODS.
Not a problem.
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@Best.Korea
How will A.I. ensure attention.
Though, what is the point in educating kids when you've got A.I.
So what is the point of most people.
Who or what needs 8 billion of them.
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@ebuc
It was satirical.
Relative to current social trends.
Which may or may not be reflective of a physiological evolution of the species, greater than the value of the old politics.
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@Critical-Tim
The first difference would be we are not committing suicide and causing mass destruction and casualties to non-believers of our religion.
Let me stop you there.
One of two biased points of view, wherein both fight for freedom from the others ideology.
We've been committing suicide and causing mass destruction and casualties on the basis of religious nonsense for the past 1500 years or so.
And I've no idea who started it.
If the purpose of the exercise is to achieve a lasting World peace, then we should already know that the methodology is hopelessly flawed.
Our moral obligation is to be kind to others and promote peace.
Hollow words.
Which do not reflect the ongoing reality of the human condition.
I would suggest that moral obligation without legal obligation is pie in the sky.
That is to say, to ensure order within our National sub-groups, we have to enforce our own version of morality.
Whereas to ensure security within the wider community we have to be prepared to implement a modified version of morality.
Most people are religious and believe in intrinsic human value.
I would suggest that a lot of people still wear religious badges.
And that most people adhere to their National legal precepts, whereby to a greater extent National social order is maintained.
Though I would also go as far as to say, that the notion of intrinsic human value doesn't exceed much beyond the value of the self and the family.
The weaker our bond to the wider community, the weaker our moral consideration towards unrelated people.
So My dog died and I was grief stricken.
So the nice old Lady from down the road died........Did she......What's for dinner?
So Mr Prigozhin was killed in a plane crash.....So what.
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@HistoryBuff
Well.
I will finish by saying that systems work, but could perhaps work differently.
I suppose it all depends upon what if any the purpose of the human system is.
Perhaps the individual and the quality of it's existence, are irrelevant factors of a greater scheme.
Or not as the case may be.
The new space race....Or should I say, new struggle to get to the Moon.
Another small step for mankind or inter tribal futility?
Two crashes in one week for the Ruskies.
India a go go.
China?
USA?
Who knows what we could achieve if we all worked together?
Call me a dreamer Mr Spock.
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@ebuc
Facts?
Who actually knows the difference between fact and propaganda?
Prigozhin. Did he fall or was he pushed?
As for the knee jerk reaction that led to The U.S. et al invading Afghanistan.
History repeating itself, doomed to failure.
Indiscriminate civilian deaths, no more or less terrorism dressed up as counter terrorism.
In my book.
As for sleepy Joe.
The guy is OK.
But too old.
Media and conservative propaganda will inevitably find value in the sleepier bits.
Facts in my book.
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@ The inactive RatMan.
Societies that label as Islamic are generally conservative, and some are more conservative than others.
The USA in comparison is generally liberal, though some Americans are less liberal than others.
Though, religion is the nonsense that it is.
And oppressive misogynistic bullies are what they are.
I would suggest that conflating these two principles, is unavoidable, but actually a tad inappropriate.
And with the greatest of respect to a lot of my colleagues who label as Muslim.
Not all Muslim men are misogynistic bullies.
I would further suggest, that most phobic's are so, because that is what they are taught to be.
Sometimes in the name of religion.
And sometimes not.
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@Best.Korea
Religions are fantasy hypotheses.
And some people teach intolerance, because they were taught intolerance.
Just two examples of human intelligence based stupidity.
Plenty more available.
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@Greyparrot
Get the fuck out of Afghanistan.....Wise move....The bad move was going there.
Fires in Hawaii.....Mr Biden was probably in Washington DC, so hose wouldn't reach. Mr Biden should have had a longer hose....Naughty Mr President.
Sleepy Old Joe dozes off....Sleepy Old Joe needs a power nap.
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@ebuc
Zeds revelation for Ebuc.
And the hero is a transsexual riding a pink unicorn and will be the salvation of mankind.
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@Dr.Franklin
I remember Meadowlark Lemon.
I used to think that the Globetrotters were cool.
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@Critical-Tim
One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter.
So I'm not sure that semantics is an indicator of morality.
Neither am I sure that one sided legitimisation of military action is an indicator of morality.
In us and them scenarios morality is assumed by each side, and therefore quite clearly demonstrates that as a species we have no shared moral constant.
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@HistoryBuff
Hey, we're just about there.
Nice discussion.
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