zedvictor4

Hey Doc.

You would think that a ball kicking game would be called football.

And a sock wearing game would be called soccer.

And then there is that strange version of Rugby that Americans play, whilst wearing crazy outfits.

And then there are baseball outfits.

And then there are women's beach volleyball outfits.

I know which I prefer.

What is your favourite sports outfit Doc?

Nope.

I see from your version that John the cutie is the real cute one.

Yep.

J is asking, who the fuck threw all the bread rolls onto the table.

And Tom/Stephen is certainly saying, fuck you girly, in a Scottish accent.

Is that John the cutie with their hand on my shoulder?

Nice quote.

Which is the most moral?

Killing a Muslim terrorist.

Or not killing a Muslim terrorist.

And what would the Muslim terrorists moral viewpoint be?

And who is actually the immoral terrorist?

Yep, we agree then.

No such thing as true socialism.

 Tyranny dressed up as socialism.

Or some form of social democracy

And why would that be?

For the simple 5th grade reasons I have given.

And Monarchy is/was just another variation on a theme of hierarchical society.

Though I would suggest that most modern States headed by a ceremonial monarch, these days fall into the general category of social democracy.

Of course.

Jesus was from the Middle East and the Last supper was painted by a European some 1400 years later.

Just saying Deb.....Might not be an exact match.

Me....These days I'm like the bald bloke on the left....The one doing the happy hands.

What about you Stephen....One of the Brothers with the curly ginger hair perhaps.

@Tarik.

The difference is hypothetical.

Peter.

Sometimes referred to as Peter the Gay Fisherman.

Just looking at some old Apostle paintings.

John the beloved was certainly cute.

Heaven hey. 

Who needs women at a gay orgy.

No one tells the absolute truth.

And you-tube is certainly an opportunity for fantasists.

As I stated.

Social structure is always essentially the same.

History lessons just inform us of past events that occurred within a typically arranged hierarchical social system.

My general point is, that people will always fall into line whatever the system.

And I was quite clearly referring to the concept of socialism.

Social democracy is a general term  that compounds the words social and democracy.

And for sure, history shows us that attempts at socialism have a tendency to become oppressive and restrictive, whereas social democracies have a tendency to be the opposite.

Though I might add, that social democracies are often plagued with corruption, which might also lead to oppressive and restrictive practices.

Power corrupts as the saying goes.

Hey.

Who needs songs,

When you've got all the guns.

Just keep your head down Mr Parrot,

Because, remember, remember, remember,

Everyone's got a gun.

And

After the war you will all be happy,

Because no one will have died in vain,

And everyone will be friends.

Because life will be perfect, perfect, perfect,

With no resentments.

Da dee dah dee dah dar.

Diddly dum tee tum tee tum.

Undoubtedly.

Though John Candy's father died at 35.

Which suggests that despite everything, genetics already had John earmarked for an early demise.

76 and still going strong.

You inherited well.

My families genetics seem OK.

So I'm  reasonably confident that I'm good for a few more years.

Here's hoping that Mr Putin et al don't get too trigger happy.

And that I always pay attention when crossing the road.

But the truth might not be what you want to hear.

You have a corporation obsession.

And nope, I don't yearn for the past.

Yearning for the past is a futile exercise.

Essentially society is the same today as it always was,

Leaders followed by those that toe the line, and those that criticise.

Socialist or capitalist, social structure will always be structured thus.

And history should tell you that so called attempts at socialism, never tolerated critics.

Who knows what the people of North Korea want.

Food is probably second place priority for most.

Coming a close second to a mass extermination of Kim's.

With nuclear weapons and war at the bottom of their lists.

The reputable source will be the one we want to hear.

Credibility

Who needs credibility?

Steve Martin is 78.

Thanks for that.

John Candy didn't make it past 43.

Yep. 

A socialist society, with a nanny government and a social elite.

Exactly what we have now.

Just a different name.

Nice discussing with you.

Shareholders suing.

Sort of, biting the hand that feeds.

But Lawyers must think that there is value in it.

Who needs Cornflakes anyway.

Here Here.

Poland and Hungary are currently less safe than they were.

Not due to Muslims.

Muslims are people who believe in nonsense.

Rather like a lot of Americans.

In the U.K. most 50's and 60's  Muslims and their families are pretty Westernised.

It's the new imports that are the current social problem...Thanks chiefly to the U.S. inspired "War on Terror". and "Arab Spring".....Yep they sure worked a treat.

Yep.

I've read most of Bill Bryson's books, including "A Walk in the Woods".

Haven't seen the film though....Must try and catch that.

The building blocks to ones future status are education and diligence.

No good complaining once one has made a hash of things, and then trying to blame those who made a success of their lives.

Just like the slave reference, it's hopeless extending arguments backwards.

And an inherently incapable person given capital, will most likely squander it rather than make shrewd investments for the future.

Nanny State only works if there are people to do the nannying.

Though I would add, that if populations stay high then a lot of people are going to find it tough in this new technological era.

Perhaps the only way for the unemployable working classes to make a living, will be as cannon fodder for the National elites.

Interesting times ahead.

Me thinks that someone a stupid as Mr King was probably in prison for good reason.

Slaves was a few hundred years ago.

You're clearly a person that likes to live in the past.

Yep. All governments are essentially the same.

People take control and people follow.

Methodology is variable though.

LOL. Capitalism doesn't  stymie opportunity, capitalism welcomes opportunists.

It's the inherent capabilities of the individual that dictates their place within a capitalist system.

Society is never equal because it's members are not intellectually or mentally or physically equal.

Hence any social system will order itself accordingly.

Which is the reason why billionaires are billionaires and the ordinary guy does nothing but moan.

It is impossible to enforce social equality.

Big cities not for me.

My local town is just 2 miles away the other side of the Hafren River and has all the necessary amenities....It's also where I work part time.

I have 2 daughters, both doing well, who live about 90 miles away in England and I often cycle over to see them.

I also walk regularly with my little dog and my wife joins us occasionally, though her passion is gardening.

I cycled across the USA a few years back, from Oceanside California to Jekyll Island  Georgia. Did the traditional thing and took a bottle of water from the Pacific and emptied it into the Atlantic.....Incredibly hot everyday day and the only rain we had was the day we cycled into Phoenix....Was an exhausting trip and left me a bit run down, so much so that I didn't get on a bike for about a month afterwards.....I loved the U.S.A. though, people were charming and the only place we ever felt nervous was in a town  called Crockett, in Texas if I remember correctly.....Gun shots in the night and knocks on the motel door in the middle of the night....A few of the slightly less charming locals I suppose, but you get those everywhere, even here in Wales....Unarmed though.

Yep, the Trump thing seems a bit bizarre to say the least. It's just amazing that the guy is still allowed to run  for President after the last debacle and all the ongoing scandal, and even more incredulous that so many people still hero worship him....Such are U.S. extremes I suppose and such is the circus that is  the Presidential election process and it's inherent corruptibility.

You might do well to add.

4. Maintain good health and fitness.

Success no good if one is a fat twat with diabetes, hypertension and a heart problem.

Ok. 

So maybe that includes Dad dancing.

But I regularly release all my tensions with a 50 mile hilly Welsh cycle ride.

Dancing on a bike.

Not sure that I get overly anxious these days though.

I think I'm in that interim life phase, in between internal paternal aspirancy and rapid physical decline. 

A. No I simply mean as a national social system based upon a natural hierarchical system. I'm not sure what you think the alternative is.

In this respect Democrat and Republic are exactly the same, based upon the idea of Democratic Republicanism. 

B. Once again, people naturally fall into a hierarchical system, and if the society is capitalist, then work and reward will be commensurate with a persons capabilities.

Even if the society became socialist the same type of social structure would still emerge. Though socialist systems have a tendency to be ordered as much  by physical oppression rather than solely by financial oppression. Nonetheless, an uneven system of financial reward would still develop.

Sure did once.

C. Different ideas,  but the problems are the same problems, and outcomes might be slightly different but will still be very similar. Just money juggling.

Basically, in British society in terms of individual status, nothing is really going to change so much to make a noticeable difference. 

Too many people and not enough money to fund Utopia.

Where to go.

Create your own utopia out of what you've got, be content and don't buy into social media delusions.....That's my advice.

The way I see it.

Most U.S. politicians still adhere to the concept of Democratic Republicanism.

And ideology is still centred around personal freedom rather than totalitarianism.

Though, State dictates order and order dictates social hierarchy is some form.

Otherwise you are left with anarchy, which will undoubtedly lead to a new order.

And new order out of anarchy, has a tendency to be totalitarian, and will develop hierarchy and further discontent very quickly......(See World history)

So what you have in terms of social cohesion is probably as good as it will get.

Though this not to say that the system of selection is not more than a tad flawed. Which is one big drawback of the human need for tradition.

I would further suggest that discontent generally boils down to the distribution of wealth, which is actually subject to a wider global diktat rather than home grown personality politics.

So to conclude.

You're basically just picking a side (often just because that's what your folks did) in exactly the same best case system.

Not necessarily you personally, I hasten to add.

I never vote (U.K.)......Because although the system is perhaps not utopian for all, I still think that it is as good as it can be.

Corporations or Totalitarianism.....I know which I prefer.

And I think that someone once said something like.....You can't please all of the people all of the time.

Which is very true.

To which I will add......Some people will always go out of their way to be displeased with other peoples efforts.

For sure.

Yep.

That's always the problem.

It was just the process I was considering.

Internal data, output and recorded.....Recorded data input, assessed and confirmed.

Which as best as it can, suggests that sensory input matches external object.

An unverifiable process though.

Until such times as we download and review thoughts.

Putting faith in technology rather than in human experiences.

Seems to be where we are heading.

Just rambling.

Hmmmmm.

Not sure this is the opposite to people liking to disagree.

Presumably we achieve a certain level of satisfaction when we contend abstract concepts.

Some people still enjoy arguing the toss over the physical structure and appearance of our planet, when they obviously know that they are incorrect. And others will enjoy arguing the opposite even though they know that they are correct.

Is there a limit to human memory?

Or is the ability to externally record just as essential.

In fact, are external records a direct link to, or accurate proof of, an external reality.

Just a thought that occurred to me.

Affordable housing.....Who pays....The drug Barons or the tax payer.

Healthcare....Healthcare costs either grow at the rate of demand or health care is reduced.....Do you honestly think that non-profit insurance companies is a feasible option?...Insurance is a high risk business which will ultimately have to be underwritten. Probably by the tax payer in this situation.

Affordable education....When is a debt to be repaid not a loan.....And who funds long term debt, the financial sector or the tax payer.

Socialism is only popular with those who expect something for nothing or very little effort, and not popular with aspirants who are prepared to work for a living.

Perhaps society is at a stage where expectancy and demand outstrips affordability.

Tough call.

Kumbaya.

Now there's a memory.

Never had a clue what it meant though.

Just looked it up.

Come by here.

Oh Lord come by here.

So there you have it.

People like to disagree.

For sure.

Undoubtedly.

I was being cynical.

You knew that?

Christ-God and Allah are actually so small that they could stand side by side on a pinhead.

How big is Slifer?

I often wonder how small things work.

But I expect that small things wonder how big things work.

Are we big or small?

Maybe aliens are so small, that we can't see them

Or maybe we are so small, that aliens can't see us.

All hail Slifer the Sky Dragon.

Let's just hope that he doesn't go fuck a virgin and then nail his son to a post just so that I can remain a sinner.

All hail Slifer the sensible GOD.

Maybe our Universe is a tiny bubble in a vast ocean somewhere

Have you ever considered that BK?

Goodnight

And may Slifer bless you with his soothing breath.

Therein lies another discussion concerning the nature of the self, expectation, the reality of the self and future uncertainty.

And I suppose, future inevitability.

I'm guessing you're younger than me.....Because for me, ongoing contentment is my necessity, rather than a better future.

Because at 63 the future can be quite a bleak prospect.

And you have all the good ideas?

Please tell.

Maybe so.

But the voting public will still have a choice to make.

And they will dutifully do so, thereby installing the next group elite into office.

An elite funded by an elite.

And I would suggest that bad behaviour is not limited to the elite.

It's just that elite badness is more media juicy.

Hierarchy and increasing levels of corruption is how social systems work.

So let's say that you good ole American folk stage a successful coup d'etat.

So what then?

A socialist utopia.

No chance.

Someone's always going to be doing the leading and the rest are always going to be following.

For sure.

I'm not the least offended by Tarik's actions.

Offence....Now there's another can of worms.

The more one thinks about existence and perception, the more intense ones frustration becomes at the self limiting nature of internality.

Simultaneous considering the seemingly impossible nature of energy, matter and existence.

Reality is perhaps best defined by the matrix of thought and communication with others.

I wonder if a future independent A.I. will share the same matrix or create it's own, and a separate reality.

Perhaps I digress to much.

Perhaps inter-galactic communications are still universally incapable.

Perhaps we are a tad more advanced than other systems.

Bearing in mind that it would take 2.5 million years for a radio signal to reach Andromeda our nearest galaxy.

Therefore 2.5 million years for a reply.

Don't wait up.

It will eventually all boil down to how stupidly or sensibly the voting public choose to behave.

And Jonathon Turley as per U.S. social  expectation, is politically biased.

@Tarik

Morality is labelled sensibility and may vary between human sub-groups.

And all objectivity is essentially subjectively biased.

Hi Tim.

Tarik blocks me because?

Well , I can only assume that they find me a too logical a challenge to their conditioned sensibilities.

Guns are scary Doc.

Well let's revise that.

Gunmen with loaded guns are scary.

Let's revise that.

Gunpersons with loaded guns are scary.

Gender equality and all that.

And I made the presumption that transgunpersons were perhaps likely to be slightly more prone to imbalanced mentality.

Though maybe I'm biased Doc.

Top of the morning to ya.

Yep.

I've attempted to put words to paper, as it were.

Bur quickly come to the conclusion that 90 something per cent of modern philosophical literature is essentially restructured plagiarism.

Absolutely no offence intended by the way, I enjoy reading your postings.

In short, it's extremely difficult to be novel.

I would suggest that to truly understand the mind, one needs to truly understand the internal development and workings of the human computer.

What do you think?