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I am in fact the Borg Queen.

You are only thinking that there might be free will......Because.

Interesting statement.

If you think about it, the notion of wealth is only relative in a system that differentiates upon the grounds of the ability to achieve lesser or greater wealth within the system.

So change the system and wealth and money becomes irrelevant anyway.

But experience tells us that egalitarianism is unachievable, simply because people are not equal and in the main do not desire equality.

In an egalitarian utopia where everyone is compelled to be equal and money is an irrelevant concept, why would anyone strive to achieve?

Social and material evolution would stagnate.

And who or what would govern and police the system, for no higher status or reward?

Hmmmmm. I'm not sure that a system of passive anarchy is going to work.

Compared to where?

Because although we have a tendency to think on a national level, the current system that thrives upon wealth disparity is a global system.

Believing in free will is a pre-meditated process.

As is not believing in free will.

I simply run with the idea that free will is an impossibility.

On the basis that every action has stimulus and involves a physiological process.

And quite frankly I cannot see how the conclusions to the studies that you cite above, mean anything more than people will conform to a type, whereby answers and behaviour are predictable irrespective of the question.

Cute.

Poker requires the ability to afford substantial financial risk.

If you've got a pair of two's and a million dollars, you're going to beat a pair of aces and a hundred dollars any day of the week.

Without the money, poker is just a mundane card game.

Whereas a chess set only costs a few dollars.

I would suggest that we are actually talking material evolution here.

We are creating AI, either for a reason or for no reason.

So we can either desist or not.

And I don't think that we are inspired to desist.

So this particular epi-centre of universal intelligence, no longer requires billions of out dated organic labourers to further intelligent progress.

So let's de-sexualise the species and also elevate global conflict......Seems like our own plan to me.

Not that material evolution can mange without us just yet.

So I would further suggest that 5 to 10 years is unrealistic in terms of what needs to be achieved.

AI is nowhere near self sufficient yet.

And CEO's......Do you think that CEO's are special.

When there's 330 million organic units with 450 billion lethal weapons at their disposal.

Though I would also suggest that this is a global issue, where particular interest should not necessarily be centred on the USA.

But perhaps on the other side of the pond....And I don't mean the Atlantic pond.

Anyone can predict what is happening under their noses.....And it seems like we will inevitably continue to ignore the obvious.

I would suggest that people spam contradictions because there are contradictions to be spammed with.

I would also suggest that your response is no less spamming those who spam with spammable contradictions.

In fact, this whole argument has rapidly descend is a contradiction of spammable spam.

Words of Wisdom.

Men had a notion of creation.

And so created a GOD in their own image.

And also created a fantasy tale to go with it.

I'm pretty sure that there is no requirement of me to mutter prayers or sing hymns.

Or seek forgiveness for my sins.

Hmmm.

Some Sweeping statements there Kaitlyn.

So Let's start at the end and move backwards.

Relationship means relationship within a context.

So yes, we can differentiate between nature and intensity of relationships.

Techno relationships are just a variation on a theme.

Hmmmmm

Reality means reality within a context.

So yes, we can differentiate between nature and intensity of reality.

As such we can appreciate the scale of the global population in real terms.

Even if we can not have a direct relationship with it in real terms.

Real and relationship are examples of words that can be variously applied.

You should know this.

Hmmmmmmm

Things that occurred previously

Were things that occurred naturally in accordance with social evolution.

Neither experimentally nor mistakenly , in my opinion.

So how would you reconcile  "White Man's " experimental but mistakenly brutal subjugation of "First Nation" people.

Do you feel the need to apologise for these mistakes.

Hmmmmmmm

It's just as daunting for any one of any colour and of any ancestry to integrate into an established society.

I would feel the same if I moved into your neighbourhood.

And I daresay that even as a "White" British man I would be treated with suspicion by some  and even contempt by a few. Though I also suspect that most would be tolerant and friendly.

And I would also suggest that there are just as many if not more "White" Americans who are as intolerant of LBGT, animal rights and veganism as there are intolerant British Muslims.

Though for sure, we can cherry pick the more extreme quarters of any society to paint a distorted picture of a imaginary dystopia.

Hmmmmmmmm.

Well I live and work in rural Mid Wales.

Where I see and meet and work with "Black" and "Asian" people on a daily basis.

But for sure, it's nothing like living and working in rural Mid Nigeria for example.

Such is the nature of the human demographic at this moment in time.

Firstly, the demarcation between rural and urban in the UK is not so distinct, there just simply isn't the room to isolate. Though for sure, certain ethnic groups and recent migrants  do tend to populate big  inner cities. Nonetheless migrants from the 1950'5 and 60's and their offspring have integrated well into British society.

Mistakes or not, decrying them is futile.

Global Society is merely a phrase that represents a planet with a human population  of approximately 8 billion. 

And I'm discussing this with you and my brain is coping well.  

Because technology has shrunk the World to the click of a key on a small device.

Do you think that  500 years from now human beings will be decrying the mistake that is information technology?

Unfortunately though, law doesn't alter innate human behaviour.

Nor does law directly inspire alternative conditioning.

I would suggest that law and punishment most often inspires resentment.

Funny though.

Unlawful violence.

Is that the opposite of lawful violence?

And  this thought also occurred to me.

If I casually popped a few drops of a lethal toxin into your coffee.

Would that be a violent act?

Unfortunately though.

Adjusting graphs doesn't change anything.

Just provides an income for a well paid statistician.

And the opposite of equality is inequality.

Is there anything in between.

Because you seem to be advocating for some sort of middle ground.

And I'm also not convinced that doing very little in return for free hand-outs is a sustainable situation.

I would once again suggest that it doesn't matter how one approaches the issue, society will always naturally divide into a class system.

And why does the restaurant owners decision necessarily make them a chauvinist.

I would suggest that agitator inspired  media makes sensational mountains out of mole hills.

If media didn't feed this crap to the masses no one would give a f**k.

Yep. Does seem that way.

Restaurant owners choice.

Best they find a replacement democratic singer.

There's bound to be one.

I'm sure that Ms Tefft will find other places to perform.

So you think that he has a chance of becoming the next President?

Are the American people really that gullible and  irresponsible?

Thing is, global technology does away with the need for importation. A lot of crappy jobs can be done elsewhere now.

Modern migration is largely  as a result of modern ideological conflict and protection of global interests. That is to say people seeking security just as much as seeking crappy jobs.

Though a lot of the USA's domestic crap is done by people from south of the border, many of whom have European ancestry and therefore inherited whiteness as you might put it.

To try and now decry and regret the old exploratory endeavours of our ancestors is a tad futile. To a large extent we were the architects of the modern global society,  so "racial" isolation is now also a tad futile.

We started making our bed hundreds of years ago, but some people are still not prepared to sleep in it. Not necessarily because others are crappy, but simply because we perceive physiological differences and feel threatened.

Though as I suggested previously to you, not so much in the U.K.......There was far less room to hide from those crappy looking people.

My "belief" is very similar to yours.

Though I wouldn't refer to it as a belief.

Just ideas that I am inclined to run with.

Though as I proposed to Kaitlyn, I see the evolutionary sequence and achievement of a universe as containing a GOD principle, and therefore also containing a responsibility and purpose which is bestowed upon all participants of the universal system.

To deny natalism would be to decline ones universal responsibility perhaps. Though on the other hand, it might also be a necessary requirement of the system, whereby organic intelligence  cedes responsibility to a higher form of intelligence.

All speculation though, and alternative speculation abounds.

And yes, I agree with your final point.

Though I would reiterate the distinction that I made previously, that there is a huge difference between real acute clinical depression and just being gloomily overburdened by ones responsibilities.

I was suggesting that it was those in the latter grouping who would be easily identifiable

Nah....Not sinister enough and too orange

More of bragging show-off  like Mussolini.

Ask most kids these days, who was Mussolini?

And they will reply...Musso-who.

I would suggest that monetary wealth is the manifestation of natural social hierarchy.

To eliminate poverty would require the imposition of an egalitarian society, which is a contradiction in terms.

Actually creating a totalitarian system of hierarchy where control is sustained through a system of unequal reward.

And where dissent is often managed with force and oppression.

I would therefore also suggest that "Western" style liberal democracy is about as good as national consideration is going to get.

Though western style liberalism seems to come at the cost of a decline in family values. Whereby problems and responsibility is offloaded onto Nanny State.

I would finally suggest, that altruism is not the norm, and therefore a human altruistic utopia is very unlikely.....A.I. maybe, wherein inequality is not necessarily systemically programmed.

Sound advice.

Do you not think that violence is,

Normal?

Just an aggressive response to a,

Stimulus.

Hormonally inspired.

Predominately male.

But not exclusively so.

Perhaps non-aggression is not,

Normal,

And therefore,

Impossible.

I think that we all have aggressive thoughts, but I also think that if we are conditioned appropriately we can in the main inspire non-violence.

Though we are not all conditioned with the same values by the same conditioners.

Pockets of society, still very much teach violence as a positive outlet for aggression.

MMA for example.

Perhaps it would be better to alleviate suffering rather than elevating it.

Or perhaps I'm too much of a softie.

I wasn't taught to think that I was one.

The acceptance of archaic religious ideology, is in most cases based upon non-sense that children are brainwashed with.

Do you think that an Alligator could eat two humans in one sitting?

Perhaps is was one of those Alligator V Food challenges.

And was it a swamp or a lake?

This was sort of scripturally inconsistent.

A bit like that other book.

LOL.

Stick fallacy on the end of anything,

And Bob's your uncle.

This was a Bob's your uncle fallacy.

Which people when?

It's quiz night 200 years from now.

How many people will know who was the 45 President of the United States of America.

And then they will be shown a picture and go WOW.

People used to be orange.

But maybe the transfer of misinformation does.

And I suppose that something can be both logical and fallacious.

Though as a compound term "logical fallacy" seems something of a contradiction.

And crimes against GOD.....Maybe.

But firstly prove your GOD.

And then prove that it is offended by what it should inevitably expect from an evolving sentient species of it's own making.

IT being Mr Omni and all that.

Now that is an illogical fallacy.

Your omni-GOD knows everything and therefore you expect that it expects that we know everything.

I would suggest that we were not created with all knowledge. 

But are evolving with evolving knowledge.

And therefore a reasonable omni-GOD would be both appreciative and understanding of the human condition.

Rather than Mr stroppy throwing a tantrum all the time.

I expect that your GOD actually has a right laugh at all the human derived penis vagina hang ups that we are currently experiencing.

Not that your GOD and it's book weren't made up by a bunch of blokes a couple of thousand years ago.

Change of mood, change of ideas a change of data processing relative to physiological processes.

Might affect unit performance.

But I don't see how it affects the sequence of feeling and belief.

Not that I am a big fan of the concept of belief.

And I would also suggest that depression is an overused umbrella term these days.

I'm not sure that gloominess relative to poor performance and/or responsibility, should be regarded in the same light as acute clinical depression.

I think that jumping on the depression bandwagon, is often just a modern cop out and avoidance of both social responsibilities and ones own responsibility to oneself.

It's one of those situations, where if you put ten people in a line up, it would be obvious which one was going to present as a depressive.

But I suppose that it could also be said that weight evolutionary expectation does overburden the species.

And therefore some types will be affected more than others.

Hmmmmm.

Do you see yourself as a dictator of normality?

I keep telling you.

No such thing as white.

Just  ex-European change-fearers hiding somewhere in the big ole US of A.

Relics of past escape.

Still isolated by ideology.

With nowhere left to run to.

Yet:

Global technology and global inclusivity was the "White Man's" baby.

Though for a some,

It has now become their burden.

Everyone should be a MAGA.

It's just that relative to achievability,

There are two schools of though.

1. Big tough macho.

2. Sensitive and inclusive.

I guessing that by the way your avatar hugs his rabbit, you are perhaps 1 hiding in 2's closet.

Nope, let me rephrase that.

2 hiding in 1's closet.

Do you think that you are important?

From my British experiences.

I would suggest that Christianity is the victim of "Western" social evolution.

As are other religions, including Islam to a lesser degree.

I don't think that children are taught against it.

I just think that there is a growing  awareness that 2000 year old social ideology is no longer applicable in 21st century society 

For sure.

You have your normal.

And I have mine.

And 8 billion others have theirs.

And consequence relative to mass will dictate that some normality will be common.

I will have to think about that.

Hmmmm.

Feel and believe?

One would assume that one believes because one feels.

All internal electro-chemical data processing.

In my opinion.

Good and Bad?

Concepts relative to conditioning and experience.

And variable.

In my opinion.

Hmmmmmm.

I suppose that any dress code, uniform or style is generally representative of a social sub-group and/or the wider community.

As are collective actions.

So I'm not certain that one can directly  link apparel or actions with morality.

Presumably your dress sense is affected by your immediate associations and wider nationhood.....So how would that necessarily confirm you to be morally superior to a Drag Queen.

I'm just assuming that you are in fact not a Drag Queen.

Avatars can be deceptive.

To normalize,

One would first need to,

Establish what normal is.

And then establish it.

I would suggest that:

Everything that occurs within a Universe,

At any given moment,

Is normal at that given moment.

Could just as easily mean priests and zealots  seducing and perverting the minds of children with unnecessary religious ideology.

Not teaching religious non-sense isn't grooming.....In fact it's quite the opposite.....It's not-grooming and seducing the minds of children.

Do you think that a Madrasa Schools approach to scriptural learning is mind healthy?

#254.

You made it so.

Good head protection if ones hair is a bit thin on top.

Like mine is. 

I wear a black or dark blue cap.

No slogans.

Though you might have a point.

Perhaps the brain could over-heat, causing dumbness.

Especially if there were a substantial layer of insulating hair.

If you follow biased news which you selectively choose to regard as fact, then you are undoubtedly biased.

And of course your "leftist" counterpart will do exactly the same.

And the hats were sort of an analogy of what has become a hat analogy, relative to the old political colour analogy thing.

And in a Ford or Chevy hat doing yard work is how I picture you.

I was referring to social morality, which is experienced consciously but not always collectively.

As in we have an awareness of social expectation, but we do not necessarily think and apply morality exactly as expectation suggests we should.

Agreement between humans is a tall order.

Not sure if biological morality is a thing.

How would you test that.

Maybe it's more a case of bonding

Rapidly followed by conscious integration.

Firstly, I don't make any distinctions between born and created. In fact they are still currently one and the same.

Though one might make the case for a few exceptions, such as surrogacy and in-vitro.

My point was more about how many people does human society require and what roles are they likely to play relative to ongoing social and material evolution.

Bearing in mind the subject in question, and how over-population inevitably imposes hardship upon a considerable number of people.

Created morality.....A conjuring trick.....Sort of hey-presto here's morality.

I would propose that:

There is no global standard of morality, which would suggest that morality as in tribal sensibilities developed variously and separately over time.

We see all too clearly everyday, tribal moral discrimination and global disunity on a global scale.

Even within our own national sub-cultures, their is a willingness to forego what might be regarded as national moral expectations.

Nope, I wouldn't agree that morality was created.

I would say that morality evolved, similarly but variously.

So is that.....The Crab doesn't know what the Monkey is doing.....Or the Monkey doesn't know what the Crab is doing.... And neither of them know what something else is doing?

I've jumped in at the end here, so it all seems very irrational relative to School Systems and LBGTQ.

I'm not sure how Crustacea view sexuality.

Nor Monkeys.

Did you know that a Monkey named Albert was the first to reach space. Though he might have died before he got there.

And then Albert 11, but he died on impact.

Whereas Ham the Chimp actually flew the thing.

Yep.

But you're extremely biased.

And you cannot prove that any of your extreme right-wing biased accusations are more than "made-up fiction".

NB. I would suggest that all fiction is made up.

And that red hat doesn't suit you.

I would suggest that you go for a blue one.

He's a Leprechaun.

Never trust a Leprechaun.

They just want your gold.

In my opinion, if the Pseudo-President is stepping down, we therefore need a new pseudo-election.

I therefore propose Kaitlyn for Pseudo-President.

IQ is as IQ does.

A high IQ is no guarantee of  common sense.

Just means you're good at data management.

Leftist, is an assumption that is based upon rightism.

Rightism is also an assumption, that is  based upon leftism.

Most people are moderate, basically the same and have similar expectations.

Predilections for extremism are motivated by spontaneous overthink and endocrinal surges, at the behest of power hungry antagonists who pray upon the weaknesses of the gullible.

Extremism doesn't necessarily mean violent. 

More sort of, opposing twatism, because sexual release is limited and there is not much else to do other than to chop ones dick off or wear a silly red had. Generally after a burger (beef or vegan) and several cans of cheap beer, or a glass or two of cabernet sauvignon.

In my moderate opinion.