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@Best.Korea
I think that the current spat is more about the persistent Palestinian rocket displays.
But for sure Israel isn't strong on secularism, so is a tad blunt with it's ideological oppression.
Though the same could probably be said for the other lot if they got the chance.
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@triangle.128k
Same old fantasy GOD...Allah is just a representative symbol or sound.
I expect that he also told the "Zionist" to bomb the fuck out of Islamic militants.
I bet that him and the angels are currently having a right laugh.
Why do you think that he programmed us with the daft gene?
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@Savant
Morals are made up, variable and adaptable.
We will apply morals as we see fit, in response to circumstance.
Sitting in the relative comfort and security of out places of detachment, we can scratch our chins all day long and discuss trolleys.
Such are our circumstances.
And then the aeroplanes struck the Twin Towers.
And the inalienable human rights of the Afghani citizen and their trolley, were modified accordingly.
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@triangle.128k
"Israel must be destroyed" is not a fact, it's a proposition.
Destroying Israel will not change the stupid human animal, will not solve a problem and will not achieve a lasting World peace.
You are simply exhibiting a bias for one side of the two sided coin.
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@Reece101
If the whole of humanity was Islamic, then the silly fu*kers would still fight each other.
Because a side effect of the clever human animal, is the stupid human animal.
No, a complete and utter modification of human DNA is the only way to bring about a peaceful and cooperative species.
Mr Omniscient obviously knew about all this. LOL
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@IlDiavolo
Depends how one defines belief I suppose.
Though the general definition is acceptance without proof.
So for example, one accepts that a god exists even though one cannot prove that a god exists.
As the acceptance is based upon supposition, then the proposition is futile, in so much as the outcome cannot be definitive.
Though for sure, wider use of the word also describes a looser sort of indefinite expectancy, based upon supposition.
But as I see it...When the proposition is momentous rather than casual, then certainty should be vital.
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@FLRW
Well, my van is diesel, but it's brain will get annoyed and switch off if it doesn't get it's regular fix of urea.
White Intelligent Vans Exhibiting Superiority.
WIVES.
Analogical Acronym.
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@Lemming
Well I think that originally the acronym referred to Artificial Intelligence.
Though I have always thought that Alternative was preferable.
In so much as Intelligence is Intelligence whatever it's origin.
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@triangle.128k
The whole face of the earth needs a good wipe off.
Let's start with all the ideological idiots with flags and guns.
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@FLRW
We are constrained by everything that constrains us.
Which is loads of stuff.
At best, freedom is sort of not feeling too constrained sometimes.
I suppose that death frees the mass from the constraints imposed by existence.
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@n8nrgim
Check the dictionary.
There is no necessity for evidence to be prove anything.
It's a shame that we cannot recount Dead Experiences.
Only Not Dead ones...Otherwise known as Alive Experiences.
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@Best.Korea
Occupator.
Very Latin.
People love to fight, especially men with high testosterone levels.
Flags may vary.
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@Swagnarok
In a nutshell.
People make this stuff up for a reason.
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@FLRW
NDE.
Not Dead Experience.
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@IlDiavolo
Belief is futile.
If you know something you know it.
If you don't you don't.
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@Critical-Tim
For sure, intersubjectivity forms communities
Just as it forms other communities.
Sort of states the obvious, but doesn't universally validate any particular set of subjective data.
Just forms varying intersubjective versions of subjective data...As we know all too well.
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@Lemming
Your preferences are based upon your conditioning.
So you prefer what you are used to.
As does the other guy.
So separate societies developed with different values.
And no doubt the other guy can make up their own dramatic examples of your society, which they do not regard as preferable.
So even if you choose to start the clock in 1948. I still don't see the Israeli as necessarily the good guy.
But let's be realistic...The conflict started thousands of years before that.
And who cast the first stone?
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@Lemming
Nonetheless, intelligently designed devices are as clever as us in respect of their ability to calculate and disseminate data rapidly and accurately.
So we're clever and created them, but are now dependant upon them.
What I would regard as a phase of material evolution and intellectual development.
Though the human has taken 300000 years to get this far, whereas the device has taken less than 100.
So, 300000 years and "AI" is now a necessary component of the evolutionary puzzle.
But if the term artificial intelligence doesn't seem apt, the let's refer to it as Alternative Data Management and Processing Systems.
So what about 100 or 1000 years from now.
Our mental agility will never keep up with ADMAPS, and ADMAPS will certainly evolve further.
Do you like the acronym?
So, GOD created ADAM and we created ADMAPS.
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@FLRW
Draft dodging is a military experience of sorts.
Though I'm not sure that your actual military experience inevitably makes for a more rounded individual...Probably quite the contrary in some cases.
Would depend upon the individual and their previous experiences I suppose.
I think that it would also be fair to suggest that a privileged draft dodger is also unlikely to be a rounded individual.
I'm not sure what makes for a well rounded individual...Burgers and fries perhaps.
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@Athias
That is a presumption with no substantiated basis.
This is undoubtedly and inevitably a truism.
What you have concluded is riddled with contradiction as it concerns materialist description.
Undoubtedly and inevitably, under the circumstances.
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@Athias
OK.
So I'm uncertain as to how you're using "prescription" in that statement.
And I would suggest that either presuming or not presuming to dictate that which I WOULD do, is like tying the stick and carrot to the donkeys tail.
Or, leaving the stick and carrot in the stable.
Though I suppose that relative to this brief discussion, I CAN as you can, as we will do relative to a cause.
Which won't necessarily result in a prescribed outcome.
As a cause might stimulate an alternative effect, which relative to this discourse would not necessarily be disingenuous.
Or perhaps I should say, SHOULD not necessarily be regarded as necessarily disingenuous.
Words are fun, are they not?
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@Lemming
An AI acting like a human doesn't make it human though.
Exactly.
As I tried to point out, a human is a specific organically derived mass that exhibits intelligence.
Whereas AI is an Another Intelligence source, otherwise derived.
I would suggest that you are confusing "robots" and intelligence.
Though as I pointed out previously, other intelligence sources do not necessarily need to be human shaped...I think that this is more of a sci-fi requirement.
And the intelligence processing unit is unlikely to resemble the human brain.
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@Lemming
There's very little about humans and their developed societies that isn't contrived.
Separatism is a result of the past and therefore a result of ongoing contrived memories.
Values are no more or less contrived...From my view anyway.
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@Lemming
Intelligence is a state of mind relative to the acquisition and application of knowledge.
Stupidity is a state of mind relative to the acquisition and application of knowledge.
Sensible is a state of mind relative to the acquisition and application of knowledge.
So humans can either be Intelligent and stupid or intelligent and sensible.
So as I see it, intelligent people killing each other on the basis of memories and contrived differences are stupid.
Whereas forgetting the past and sharing a beer and some food is sensible.
Sadly humans have a preferential propensity for the former.
Intelligent, but still in the cave fighting monsters.
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@Lemming
Potentially.
Just as a pile of electronics and mechanical parts is potentially an AI...(Or it might be a vegetable on another planet)...Who knows.
Though vegetables have a similar reproductive format.
Therein and in response to your perplexity, I was attempting to suggest how one might differentiate and therefore explain what makes people.
How we might or might not differentiate between an embryo and a person is largely a semantics and ideological issue of choice.
Though as cellular division proceeds, then similarity becomes more marked.
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@Lemming
Hopefully there is another Planet far far away, where the dominant species didn't evolve to be quite so stupid.
Or maybe we will evolve and eventually become more sensible.
Big asks I know.
Or maybe after nuclear extinction, another intelligence will develop here on Earth, with more of a positive and unified spin on things.
Clutching at straws I know.
Nonetheless, what the fuck will we care once we are dead?
Have a nice day.
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@Best.Korea
Dick fiddling.
300 000 years
And the ongoing inability of the human species to come to terms with genitalia and procreation.
LGBTQ is surely the answer.
LOL.
Humans
Are BRILLIANT.
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@ponikshiy
I knew this anyway.
The point I was making was that when push comes to shove all human masses are equally as squidgy.
The label is irrelevant when the bomb or bullet hits.
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@IlDiavolo
Pachita was a typical "psychic".
And her methodology was typically misleading.
But yes, the power of her mind to mislead and coerce gullible people was clever.
There were/are plenty of similar "psychics" who made/make a living from such behaviour.
Though all will die, because ultimately they have no conscious control over their own functional systems.
But yes, mental and physical positivity is undoubtedly beneficial, in terms of brain and body chemistry and functional health.
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@Lemming
Well 2023, in so much as 2023 is representative of cutting edge humanity.
And yet still better to have own paths and not mix.
Q. Why?
A. Ridiculous ideology.
Nice chatting.
Time for bed here.
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@Lemming
Some might say that Jews and Palestinians are exactly the same.
Just corrupted by ridiculous ideology.
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@FLRW
So therefore, was it/is it reasonably fair to suggest that Jews have always been a bit of a nuisance.
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@Lemming
Let's not forget that Israel was forcibly founded in 1948.
Just 4 years after the end of the holocaust.
At the same time as apartheid was instigated in South Africa.
Therein somewhere lies a certain level of hypocrisy.
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@Lemming
Fused gametes and cellular division.
Though for sure, once we introduce implants the system is corrupted.
And so of course, hybridisation is a logical way forwards.
Good thinking Batman.
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@SkepticalOne
What a pity that GODDO isn't also omni-sensible.
Would make things a whole lot clearer and more straightforward.
Rather than create something, and then sometime later get some Middle Easterners to write a book.
And then impregnate a virgin and later on have it's son nailed to a post for everyone's sins.
And in between times, flood the Earth and other shit like that.
A giant TV screen and sound system orbiting the Earth might get the message across a tad clearer.
Rather than apple and serpent riddles.
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@FLRW
Hmmmmm.
Jewish Nazis should be a contradiction.
Given past events.
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@ponikshiy
Fine in Russia, but what about in North America.
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@ponikshiy
A combatant is basically a person that engages in combat.
Could be anyone, including a civilian.
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@Vegasgiants
That's also what the terrorised say.
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@Lemming
How will we be able to determine if we have created a sentient AI?
It will do stuff without being asked.
And when we try and correct it, it will ignore us.
And when we try and switch it off...It won't.
And then it might kill us if it thinks that we are of no use.
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@Vegasgiants
One persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter.
Just depends on which side of the line they stand.
I think it's fair to say that the USA and it's allies have terrorised millions of people around the world in the name of freedom.
Being terrified certainly isn't exclusive.
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@ponikshiy
What if the Mother is in the Armed Forces?
What if I'm an enlisted soldier and the shooter isn't?
All three of us could be regarded as combatant.
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@ponikshiy
What is the real difference between a civilian and a non-civilian?
Does one have three legs or something.
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@Lemming
I would suggest that there is a difference between an advanced data processing device and a sentient, self determining, alternative data processing device.
So would the latter need to resemble it's human forebears?
Well, I suppose that would depend upon the functional requirements of an AI...And if an AI decided that a human styled body was the most efficient design relative to it's evolutionary requirements.
As it stands, the humanoid robotic AI stuff, is still human inspired, programmed and controlled..
And I would further suggest that humans will continue to be slaves to material development and data evolution for quite a while yet.
As long as we are able to survive/overcome our own innate stupidity of course.
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@IlDiavolo
In so much as we convert incoming signals into internal imagery.
And internal function is managed by internal processes.
Though our conscious control of internal processes is very limited.
If Pachita had been truly gifted she would still be alive today.
Externality is always assumptive.
So what is actually occurring out there is never certain.
We must therefore conclude as we see fit, and as we so desire.
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@Best.Korea
Sound advice.
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@IlDiavolo
The paranormal is best explained by a psychologist.
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@Athias
Do you mean materialism or materialism?
If the former, then perhaps the irrationality and futility of everything would be more appropriate.
If the latter, then the irrationality and futility of materialism is apt.
Therefore, maybe I could propose the irrationality and futility of philosophy, within the context of everything and the irrationality and futility invested therein.
Nonetheless, I currently run with the idea of an outcome, wherein noting can be over looked.
Well let me rephrase that:
Nothing as in something as in everything cannot be overlooked,
Because we cannot conclude anything at this stage of material development.
Well let me rephrase that:
I would suggest that we have concluded somethings, relative to material development and it's processes...Though we clearly cannot conclude an outcome to material development.
At which point the juxtaposed similarities between the former and the latter become apparent.
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@Public-Choice
He significantly crippled a global terrorist group (ISIS).
Single handed. LOL.
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