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@Stephen
Ok.
Beer in Bromsgrove sounds good. Leave me to think about it.
And Me and Mrs Zed are well.
Hope that you and yours are too.
So did Mr Omni GOD exist and then create lots of interesting things to do, or was he created with lots of interesting things to do like create.
If the latter, then who did the creating etc.
And if the former, then how exactly?...Which is the point at which all hypotheses fail.
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@Best.Korea
Fear not spam and trolls BK.
You're an important initiator of subject matter.
And therefore an essential component.
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@Stephen
Why did GOD create anything?
Can you imagine infinite boredom.
Everyone needs a hobby.
So off down to Hobbycraft, buy a bag of fundamental matter, and get crafting.
So now you know.
The Universe is probably now in a box in his shed, gathering dust.
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@TheUnderdog
Presumably GOD gets the Devil to do the burning.
Or is the Devil outfit just a role play thing.
I bet GODDO gets really miffed by cremation.
Are souls are inflammable, do you know.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Exactement Deb.
Though GOD is crying tears of drizzle at the mo.
Slip
Slop
Slap
So I'm painting the bathroom.
Thanks to the SUN for kitchen and bathroom emulsion
Amen
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@Stephen
No coincidence Stephen.
All data is inherited.
Reworked and elaborated.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
The Sun is the giver of everything.
Neither demanding praise or caring about criticism.
But will smite you down if you do not respect it.
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@Best.Korea
Funny how GOD is a 60's West Coast hippy with a North American accent...Sort of swarthy and Arabic would have been more believable.
And the little girl with facial paralysis was demonic...I bet that she had very sharp teeth.
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@Tradesecret
That's one hypothesis Trade.
The GOD of the OT and the God of the NT were previous hypotheticals.
He is, because Men said so. Women did the foot washing.
It is the unmade maker, which is counter-intuitive.
BIG BOOM.
Material evolution.
Now.
And the MAN-GOD still no show.
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@TheUnderdog
There are multiple possibilities.
Including.
No GOD.
No hell
And no burning
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@Best.Korea
Human collective stupidity is a force greater than It's component parts.
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@FLRW
Did sex get much of a mention in BK's list.
Just hugs, self massage and cold baths.
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@FLRW
She would certainly be popular in the U.K.
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@FLRW
Being a Brit.
I had to look up MIT.
So what does a MIT brain think.
I would expect a MIT brain to disregard belief in the way that I do.
And to not disregard anything reasonably hypothetical.
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@Stephen
The trouble with being highly educated is that if one is not careful, one can easily loose sight of common sense.
Especially if one is highly educated in subjective non-sense.
My Dad used to accuse me of living in a fantasy World.
Though I think that he was referring to the luxury of youthful exuberance.
Something that he missed out on as a child of the 1920's and 30's.
Which nonetheless made him an excellent teacher in subjects relating to theology, and made me the grounded atheist I am today.
Despite the best efforts of the C of E.
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@FLRW
Income inequality is high.
High in what respect?
Extreme wealth compared to basic income
Or ratio of higher earners to basic wage earners.
And I can see that taxation and a high level of social service provision, might be regarded as wealth redistribution.
Though I assumed that BK was being cynical.
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@Tradesecret
Stupid analogy Trade...You can do better.
Actual seats and hypothetical GODs are two different kettles of fish.
There are various applicable words to describe the chances we take when sitting down and/or praying to a supernatural GOD.
Though a seat is demonstrably real, whereas a hypothetical GOD cannot be proven to exist..
The application of words and language makes no difference.
Faith in GODS is blind.
And a seat is real, but comes with an element of risk.
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@FLRW
The only planet in the Universe with intelligent life.
Yep.
I would say that the above is a reasonable proposition.
But I would also say that the opposite is also a reasonable proposition.
Therefore I would further suggest that amidst such uncertainty, belief is superfluous.
One hypothesis suggests that a singular seed of life was successfully transferred from a previous Universe and came to rest upon a suitable planet.
But of course there could have been multiple seeds.
Because if distribution was a random process that relied upon the chance fertilization of a viable planet with the seed of life, then multiple seeds would be the more efficacious strategy.
No hypothesis ever comes close to explaining the beginning though.
The beginning of matter and consequently the beginning of life.
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@FLRW
Would he view LGBTQetc as a positive development.
I'm guessing that a lot his angst was a result of late 18th century sexual angst.
And far less to do with global food production.
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@FLRW
I'm guessing that humanity is meant to survive for as long as it takes to get it's predetermined job done.
How many survive is perhaps irrelevant, as long as the necessary ones survive, or the necessary ones are created.
If the necessary ones can be created then the dross will become dispensable.
Of course, otherers elsewhere may have been beset the same objectives.
And cooperation might or might not be necessary.
I suppose to a greater extent this depends upon whether the development of intellect follows a similar pattern across the Universe.
Therefore, was it also necessary for all life to occur simultaneously.
Which would similarly depend upon the simultaneous development of Solar systems with life supporting Planets.
A lot to expect perhaps.
Give or take a few hundred thousand years of development, and the disparity between rival intelligences would be considerable.
Would be like us sharing our current level of technical and astrophysical knowledge with Neanderthals, and expecting positive feedback.
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@FLRW
If Malthus were alive today what on earth would he make of things.
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@Best.Korea
All governments dictate.
How they dictate is another matter..
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@Sidewalker
All established data programmes are formed at a young age.
The reason why religious pseudo-hypotheses are easily transferred and perpetuated.
Anger results from not getting ones own way.
I would suggest that you find Bro D's pseudo-anger and clever rhetoric somewhat frustrating.
Just be content with what you think you know.
And we will walk hand in hand into the valley of death.
Peace and bliss Bro Sidewalker.
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@Best.Korea
You forgot that Britain redistributes the wealth.
Please explain.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I don't think that you would ever stop people buying.
Why doesn't inflation stop people buying?
Food and fuel prices fluctuate but we cannot continually wait for a reduction in price...We buy out of necessity.
Though I was actually pointing out that slower inflation is not the same as deflation.
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@Best.Korea
Communism is a word usually associated with a specific ideology, to which British society is not applicable as such.
Though for sure, one can redefine and repurpose the word and apply it to any society.
Nonetheless, all societies function on the basis of an unequal hierarchical structure and an unequal distribution of resources, and therefore are never comparable with the philosophical ideal that is referred to as communism.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Inflation will always go up...But perhaps less quickly.
Deflation would be good.
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@Best.Korea
Communism, good idea on paper, bad in practice.
Just another hierarchical system, run by a bunch of selfish arseholes.
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@Best.Korea
175. Avoid stressful lists of things to do.
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@n8nrgim
He made them laugh.
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@Greyparrot
Death precludes my hopes.
And tomorrow never comes
I like them very much.
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@Greyparrot
Ancestors are dead.
Absolutely.
Past is History
Gone forever
Except for memory
Move on.
Can we convince 8 billion people, not to keep living for the past GP?
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@Critical-Tim
Well.
You won't of heard of it because I made it up.
Let me explain.
So everything, as in a primary universal creation event, is/was a purely chance occurrence and therefore essentially purposeless.
Nonetheless, the evolving purposeless universe created it's own purpose, whereby it was able to successively re-create itself.
Within this context the evolution of intelligent and manipulative structures is probably the key factor.
Intelligent and manipulative structures are the GOD that perpetuates the universal and material sequence, if you like.
Whether or not Earthborn humans are the ultimate manifestation of manipulative structures and therefore the ultimate GOD, will depend perhaps on two factors.
1. A.I...As in Earthborn alternative intelligence.
2. A.I...As in Alien intelligence of some other origin.
Perhaps sounds a bit Sci-fi.
But I think in essence, as reasonable a hypothesis as any other.
Though, the beginning remains unanswerable.
And any previous GOD will either require a previous GOD or a chance event.
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@Greyparrot
@FLRW
Divided opinions.
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"Like".
Being the operative word.
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@Tradesecret
Engage with the World or die Trade.
Overthink the condition and...
Vegan woman dies of starvation.
Ok retreating into little Worlds and communes, if you follow the same general rules that I listed above.
Little Worlds and communes require effort Trade and not just overthink.
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@Greyparrot
Past Queen revered by sycophants.
Though sycophancy is seemingly a human trait.
Orwell...Good to read, but wasn't perfect...Marxist style social hypocrisy.
Oh Dear, people still harping on about one cherry picked aspect of human slavery.
So where were your ancestors 500 years ago GP?
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@Greyparrot
Though I think that the French were more prevalent in the swampier regions.
And the Spanish preferred the hotter drier bits.
Brits have a temperate tendency.
What is your ancestry GP?
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@Greyparrot
Getting colonized.
Certainly sounds like your sister being wooed in the swampy backwoods.
Or your Bro.
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@Best.Korea
Nope, not a personal obsession of mine.
Though I always remember the opening lines of The Return of the Native by Thomas Hardy, for Monty Python reasons.
Surreal late 60'sand early 70's British comedy.
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@Greyparrot
Hey.
Just keep spending.
And borrow some more.
It's all just numbers or bits of paper.
Missiles, buy 1 get a hundred free.
Cost of living high...Just cut back on the fancier stuff, like cosmetic dentistry, therapists and gadgets.
Who needs to be thinking straight with a perfect smile and a top of the range device, when the nuke hits.
Just grin for a second and your teeth will shine like the sun.
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@Best.Korea
Mother fucking dorks in checked shirts and red hats love pseudo-revolutionary bullshit , and have an inbuilt distrust of honest decent people.
Is this a jaundiced British image of an average American.
Because I never met any when I was there.
Perhaps they were all hiding in the swamps and backwoods making moonshine and out wooing their sister.
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@Critical-Tim
Firstly, let me reiterate...I do not believe.
In this instance I am aware of two basic options, namely purposeful and purposeless, and one can provide arguments and reasons or both.
Though interestingly a third option arises, namely purposeful purposelessness, and I think that in this option is where my preferred ideas are founded.
I think that altruism does not mean acting selflessly.
I would agree.
As I stated, altruism has to be affordable in every sense of the word.
And I would also suggest that altruism must also be self-rewarding.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
I'm smart as fuck when it comes to crime.
All you need is to be smarter than the Police.
Hey.
String letters together and make words...Who needs a dictionary to put them in.
In that sense you have loads more words than someone with an English degree (Australian).
Do you play the didgeridoo Deb?
Or is it the dijjereedoo Deb?
Or the didjheridodah?
Or dijjin her doodah.
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@Critical-Tim
Altruism depends upon the survivability of the altruist.
I wasn't necessarily implying financial affordability.
Though financial affordability is obviously a modern necessity.
Pre Darwin, Darwin or post Darwin.
My thoughts and ideas generally centre around the universal purpose/chance conundrum.
And as you have probably noticed I tend to run with universal purpose.
Whereby everything from start to finish has an inbuilt purpose/strategy.
So species and species survival and development comes with an inbuilt purpose/strategy.
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@Critical-Tim
Joseph Heller...Catch 22.
Have you never heard the expression?
I was just suggesting that for every positive there is an inevitable negative.
Sort of a balance thing.
Overthink... Clever and stupid.
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@Critical-Tim
Everything that occurs within a universe at any given moment is naturally occurring...Zed
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@Deb-8-a-bull
Deb.
No worries
Your vocabulary is in the top 1%.
As regularly demonstrated.
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