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billbatard
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Topic
#1353

Germany will save Europe

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
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1
Better conduct
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After 1 vote and with 5 points ahead, the winner is...

oromagi
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Politics
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Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
500
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
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oromagi
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Description

Germany and the German people are Europe's perhaps the worlds last best hope, a strong economy, liberal traditions since that unfortunate misunderstanding early on in the 20th century a bullwark against Russian tyranny and the biggest and strongest bullwark of social democracy ironic isnt it, the germans saving democracy?

Round 1
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billbatard
Pro
#1
Often in history thing cycle , the germans used to be the villains and the jews the  victims, in many ways things have reversed Germany has always had a very strong economy no matter what economic system was in place, Germans cant be repressed, much of europe today is going fascist italy hungary poland the uk its rather strange to have the thought well thank god for the germans enter your head
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oromagi
Con
#2
Thx, billbatard.

RESOLUTION: Germany will save Europe

GERMANY (DE) is the Federal Republic established 1990
SAVE (transitive verb) is to help to survive, or rescue from harm
EUROPE is the portion of Eurasia west of the Urals

BoP is entirely PRO's to prove that at some future date, DE will rescue EU.

CON AFF#1: PRO can't predict future events.
CON AFF#2: The past is not always a reliable predictor
CON AFF#3: Modern DE is a young country undergoing rapid demographic change- not predictable

Rebuts in R2.
Round 2
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billbatard
Pro
#3
No one can predict the future, so I can not reasonably expected to predict it, what is evident is the strong nature of the german economy, and the stable condition of its democratic institutions
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oromagi
Con
#4
Rebuts: PROs 3 main pts:

  • strong economy
  1. 8/20, Deutsche Bank reports DE in "technical recession," 0.25%drop in 3rdQ
  2. Trump 25% duty on EU autos (sched for Nov) could crash DE's top market.
  3. DE has one of lowest birth rates in world- 9/1,000. Shrinking pop can't support aging, heavily subsidized pop.  Incr. immigration could help but maj. of DE opposes increased immigration.
  • DE cant be repressed
  1. Hitler, Treaty of Versailles, USSR repressed DE
  • not fascist like rest of EU
  1. AfD polling @15%, on par with SPD


Round 3
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billbatard
Pro
#5
You do realize hitler is dead right? Germany, the fourth strongest economy in the world, is the strongest economy in Europe with an economy worth $3.4 trillion, followed by the United Kingdom with an economy worth $2.9 trillion. France is third on the list with $2.4 trillion.Feb 8, 2018
The Biggest Economies in Europe - WorldAtlas.com

https://www.worldatlas.com › articles › the-biggest-economies-in-europe    


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oromagi
Con
#6
thx, billbatard.

PRO never defined the crisis facing EU.  Without info, we can't judge DE's capacity to save EU

  • PRO touches on fascism but we know DE is not immune to that strain of nationalism and any foreign intervention typically exacerbates nationalist tendencies
  • PRO touches on DE's economic strength but fails to explain how money saves EU
PRO's job was to show how DE will save EU in some approaching crisis.  What crisis and how resolved was never explained or proven

VOTERS, pls vote CON