Instigator / Pro
12
1467
rating
3
debates
0.0%
won
Topic
#2115

Obama was a great president

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
0
24
Better sources
4
16
Better legibility
4
8
Better conduct
4
4

After 8 votes and with 40 points ahead, the winner is...

Dr.Franklin
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
Twelve hours
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One week
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
52
1616
rating
32
debates
62.5%
won
Description

Obama was a great president in comparison to Trump.

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@Dr.Franklin

I suggest not listing your sources as "link." The point of a list at the end is for review at a glance, which this method obscures the quality of your selections.

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@Zlata89

You can set the character limit much lower. For what you're offering right now, a concise 1000 would be about right. It would give enough room for expansion as discussion grows, without fear of being overwhelmed.

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@Zlata89

100% agree with you. These arguments too often turn into a battle of attrition where unsuspecting newbies get barraged by a wall of semantics and obsession of quantity at all costs. And if you don't respond to a single point, they (not necessarily Franklin, many of the regulars and even i for a while tried to adapt to that status quo) will blast it in bold the next round as a dropped point. Its why i decided to stick with the forum.

On a side note, as an observer i notice it would have been easy to just defend against his 3 premises without tackling every word. 1. Economy great, we were spiraling and he saved it. 2. Healthcare good. Not great, but better than before. And we arent asking if Obama was perfect. I dont recall 3 but whatever. If you prove it was good well enough, you don't have to prove why it isn't bad.

But i know first hand going counterpoint line by line is hard to resist when you read through some of the bullshit in those walls. I don't have that discipline, so like i said, i stick to forums and comments.

Im sure verbal DoS attacks are some sort of fallacy, i might start voting against them citing this reason... but you said the magic word, "conceed." Still considering if i should call it coersion or respect the power of that word.

Lincoln, FDR and JFK will prob be top 5, and Trump will be bottom 5 or so.

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@Zlata89

By saying that Obama was a good president, you have to prove why he was good overall, not just better than Trump.