Instigator / Pro
32
1417
rating
158
debates
32.59%
won
Topic
#2363

In this debate, Con will use at least one word that contains the letter "E"

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
12
3
Better sources
10
10
Better legibility
5
4
Better conduct
5
4

After 5 votes and with 11 points ahead, the winner is...

seldiora
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
5,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
21
1581
rating
38
debates
64.47%
won
Description

Burden of proof is shared

Rules: Con can only use English.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Con used "the" in R2.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Con was arrogant throughout, throwing Round 1 in an intentional manner, saying he doesn't need to try.

It was this same lack of respect for his opponent that led him to type 'e' in Round 2. He still could have won by saying he didn't 'use' the word, just typed it as it wasn't truly relevant to his point. He also could still win by pushing for 'will' and denying that he will, since he already has. I'm sure the majority of voters of this site wouldn't reqard those win conditions but it would be how he could win in my eyes at least.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

"Resolved: In this debate, Con will use at least one word that contains the letter "E""

CON used the letter E in the word "the..."

Ergo, as a voter I consider the conditions of a PRO victory fulfilled, despite Intelligence's objection that PRO did not fulfill the BoP that "in all instances CON will use E."
(I think that would be an abusive BoP to impose on PRO, and I also think that Intelligence is making his own argumentation within his vote to come to such a conclusion)

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

This is surprisingly borderline, however after a delay pro did catch con using the... Crap, I can't even write a RFD without using E, but kudos to con for only slipping once during an actual debate, and minorly at that. Still, on one of these puzzle debates, once is enough.

I will note that I disliked pro's tactic of pointing to con's username, but on this type of debate stirring things up to try to unbalance an opponent is to be expected (no way would I vote arguments for that).

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Well this skewed vote certainly looks as weird as a living dinosaur in New Jersey.

Arguments: Pro literally gave up proving that Con won't use an E in R2. Even though Con used it for one single time, it is not until rounds after Pro had picked it up, which Pro never proved that Con won't, just that Con is more likely to use it than to not.

Sources: No sources needed, no point given.

S&G: Con failed to fulfill his expected S&G by saying a single E in one of his arguments.

Conduct: tie, both did pretty well.