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#2519

#BLM is an unnecessary movement.

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Intelligence_06
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I think it is important for me to state that I believe black lives matter, however am very against the #BLM movement. It is a Marxist organisation which manipulates the media, taking small snippets of footage and dramatically twisting it in favour of their narrative. In accepting this debate, you believe that #BLM is a necessary movement, as black people are being targeted by a systemically racist police force.

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@Wilh3lm

that's typical of RM's voting on this particular topic

The vote seems not to be about the debating itself but the political views involved.

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@RationalMadman

At a courtesy glance, it looks like a rock solid vote.

@RM

Thank you on these advices.

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@Intelligence_06

Thanks for a great debate, and may the more logically coherent win!

“Marxist organization”

Bruh I wish.

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@SirAnonymous

OOh, Debate wars? Because that seems like fun, looking forward to that in all of its glory.

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@RationalMadman
@9.9.9

"You will rue the day you debated against BLM once I challenge you to that."
"Yeah, I doubt that."
Time for me to get some popcorn.

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@RationalMadman

Yeah, I doubt that.

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@9.9.9

Basicly.

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@9.9.9

You will rue the day you debated against BLM once I challenge you to that. First finish this debate then challenge me.

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@RationalMadman

By all means, challenge me to a debate with the same title and a 20 000 character limit and we’ll see who’s calling who ignorant.

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@TheUnderdog

So that would be because of the single parent rate, not because of some sort of sociatal racism

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@9.9.9

BLM wants racial Reperations that keep black people dependent on the government. What causes them to fail is the huge amount of single motherhood in the black community.

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@RationalMadman

Playing the identity politics game I see. Just because I am not black does not mean I do not know about their lies.

I don't want to help either side as it has been mentioned here that this is not wanted. Once the debate is over, I will provide links to articles and documentaries that will help open the mind of people who don't know why BLM is good and necessary.

Ignorance meeting arrogance.

How exactly does this person know what black people have endured to cops and bosses who refused to hire and/or promote them based on this?

How does Pro know about the difference in wages when it's based on agreement on contracts (not fixed wages for all of the same rank)?

Pro says there isn't any systemic issues because Pro has never had to live a day in their shoes.

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@seldiora

Unnecessary means that their goal of " working for a world where Black lives are no longer systematically targeted for demise" is unnecessary as it has already been achieved and that black lives are systemically targeted.

Just to make my contention crystal clear to both my opponent and viewers, I believe that systemic racism is not real and does not impact black individuals.

the problem with "unnecessary" is that it is near impossible to prove; mistakes show the truth of mankind, establishing a groundbase for the future.

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@Intelligence_06

My DDO username is c.tsangas05

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@SirAnonymous

Thanks

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@9.9.9

Welcome to the site.

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@9.9.9

Who are u on DDO

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@Intelligence_06

Ignore the last section where I say "Why does anger constitute to a viable argument?". I copy and pasted some sections from previous debates I've had on DDO. My last opponent seemed to believe that anger makes a good case for an argument.

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@9.9.9

It's more of a conduct/suggestion to side thing. Regardless I moved my objection to 9.9.9's private messages to appease all parties involved.

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@9.9.9

idk

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@BearMan
@Intelligence_06

I don't get how this is cheating

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@Intelligence_06

It's not cheating if you don't use it

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@BearMan
@Theweakeredge

Please stop giving evidence to the Con side. That would be cheating.

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@Theweakeredge

Also what do you mean when you say that I do not give evidence? I cited the exact same source as you and provided detailed numbers provided by the FBI.

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@Theweakeredge

That is the exact same statistics that I use. Notice that in America, black people constitute thirteen point four percent of the population. According to the source you have, black individuals commit fifty-three-point one percent of murder, fifty-four-point three percent of robbery and forty-three point nine percent of illegal weapon possession. Remember, they consist of less than an eighth of the American population. Sure, white people commit more overall crime because they constitute for such a large number of the population, but it is more likely for an individual to be shot while robbing a mall, then being shot for vandalising a car park.

I will repeat, black people commit more than half of Americas homicide, more than half of Americas robbery and 43 percent of weapon possession.

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@9.9.9

"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence." Your entire argument falls under Hitchen's claw, nothing you claim is verified, and therefore can be dismissed.

Not to mention, it is the ratio we look at, black victims to white victims compared to their crimes, and black victims are nearly 3 times more likely according to my source. Not to mention, due to the fact that the majority of people in America are white, the majority of crime is caused by white people. Don't believe me? Have a source.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43

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@Theweakeredge

Have you actually read my debate?

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@9.9.9

Evidence that criminal justice reform is needed is evidence that BLM is a necessary movement.

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@BearMan

I am arguing purely against their belief that black lives are systemically targeted in todays society. According to the official blacklivesmatter website, they believe that,

"We are working for a world where Black lives are no longer systematically targeted for demise"

and that they believe all black people, including,

"Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum"

To be honest, I've never seen a BLM protestor holding a sign saying "healthcare for all" they've all been "black lives matter, we don't want to be oppressed"

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@9.9.9

Unfortunately, you would be mistaken.

"Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims. "

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

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@9.9.9

Racial Injustice
Police Brutality
Criminal Justice Reform
Black Immigration
Economic Injustice
LGBTQIA+ and Human Rights
Environmental Conditions
Voting Rights & Suppression
Healthcare
Government Corruption
Education
Commonsense Gun Laws

(BLM GOALS: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/06/21/black-lives-matter-co-founder-admits-what-the-groups-ultimate-goal-really-is-n2571026)

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@9.9.9

CC-CV from my cross examination:

According to the United States Sentencing Commission, it is made clear that black male offenders in similar situations as white male offenders have an average of 19.1% longer sentences. Furthermore, the USSC also concluded that female offenders of ALL races received shorter sentences than White male offenders.
This alone proves that the justice system is unjust to black people, and to male offenders.

https://www.ussc.gov/research/research-reports/demographic-differences-sentencing

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@CalebEr

Similar motives with you. New debaters who knows what he is talking about, controversial topics that I might win.

I want to keep tabs on this one.

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@BearMan

You state that "There are still biases against blacks in the nation". How so? Can you give me an example. Remember, I believe that racism is real, how can it not be? There is racism against black people, Asians and white people. But BLM fights against supposed "systemic racism" and "police brutality". My case is that, from the cases given by the left wing media, police are not brutal and there is no systemic racism. To say that there is systemic racism is to say the the system is racist, meaning that there must be some part of police training which endorsees racism.

If I got the chance I will. I am working with a single phone and my busy dad just won’t get a hold off the laptop. I know all I know what to post.

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@9.9.9

I agree that the controversy behind the deaths wasn't justified. Racism in the criminal justice system exists, the media just portrays BLM as godly which is false. It is literally a marxist organization.

But that doesn't mean it is unnecessary. There are still biases against blacks in the nation.

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@BearMan

My stance is that it is not necessary as their is no systemic racism, no sentencing bias or any need for a criminal justice reform. It is not necessary as black people are not targeted by the police.
Take a moment to think about the lefties twist the media. Remember Breonna Taylor? According to the left, She was asleep. Wrong. According to the left, The boyfriend did not fire. Wrong. According to the left, The police did not knock. Wrong. According to the left, The police were legally obligated to knock. Wrong. According to the left, the officers went to the wrong house. Wrong.

Why would the media need to twist these stories if there was real racism at work? The reason they manipulate the story is because there is no case study which supports what they are saying.

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@9.9.9

You proved this:
https://www.debateart.com/debates/2164-resolved-blm-is-a-net-harm-to-america

BLM does not only advocate against police brutality, it advocates against sentencing bias and for criminal justice reform. All of those are problems, making BLM not an unnecessary movement. You already lost when you said unnecessary.

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@BearMan

I proved that left wing media lies and twists stories into their narratives. I also provided FBI statistics to support my belief that black people ARE NOT disproportionately targeted.

To say that a movement is necessary is to say that black people are targeted by a systemically racist police force. I will wait for con to give me their idea of this and then rebut it.

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@9.9.9

You proved that rioting and looting were not justified, not that BLM is not necessary.

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@BearMan

That's exactly what I have and will do.

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@oromagi

I'll debate you next if you want.

I would enjoy taking CON on this arg.