Trumpism is closer to Fascism than Nazism is to Communism
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This was originally the BoP for her debate in which it is proposed that Fascism *is* Trumpism. I will argue what she was trying to argue this time.
Definitions not specified here, however any definition given within the rounds must have a reputable source or else they will be regarded as nonsense.
Due to his political publications, Marx became stateless and lived in exile with his wife and children in London for decades ... While residing in Brussels in 1846, Marx continued his association with the secret radical organisation League of the Just ... in June 1847 the League was reorganised by its membership into a new open "above ground" political society that appealed directly to the working classes. This new open political society was called the Communist League. Both Marx and Engels participated in drawing up the programme and organisational principles of the new Communist League. (1)
In 1898, was arrested for revolutionary activities and subsequently exiled to Siberia. He escaped from Siberia in 1902 ... Trotsky helped organize the failed Russian Revolution of 1905, after which he was again arrested and exiled to Siberia. He once again escaped ... After surviving multiple attempts on his life, Trotsky was assassinated in August 1940 in Mexico City (7)
Publicly championing Marxism within the socialist movement, he encouraged the founding of revolutionary cells in Russia's industrial centres. By late 1894, he was leading a Marxist workers' circle, and meticulously covered his tracks, knowing that police spies tried to infiltrate the movement ... He also authored the political tract What the "Friends of the People" Are and How They Fight the Social-Democrats criticising the Narodnik agrarian-socialists, based largely on his experiences in Samara; around 200 copies were illegally printed in 1894. (8)
During the Battle of the Somme in October 1916, he was wounded in the left thigh when a shell exploded in the dispatch runners' dugout ... On 15 October 1918, he was temporarily blinded in a mustard gas attack and was hospitalised in Pasewalk. (2)
In 1914, Mussolini ... served in the Royal Italian Army during the war until he was wounded and discharged in 1917. (3)
It has not been easy for me. You know, I started off in Brooklyn. My father gave me a small loan of a million dollars. (4)
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Clearly, this last ideology is in an entirely different ballpark. Communism and Fascism were founded by boots-on-the-ground folks who practiced what they preached, and endured severe hardship and in some cases even lost their own lives in the process.
- Fascism is authright
- Trumpism is authright(Yes he is)
- Communism is authleft
- Fascism and Communism are built in similar traditions(No ideology-wise similarities were mentioned)
- Political-ideology-wise, Trumpism is closer to Fascism than Nazism is to Communism
- Trump's ideology overlap with Fascism while Hitler and Communism are enemies
- Vote Pro
My opponent just described Hitler, Marx, Trump, etc... but did not even try to find anything similar within their IDEOLOGIES, the thing we are arguing for, other than Fascism and Nazism.
First, we shall examine their leaders.
Trumpism started its development predominantly during Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign. It denotes a populist political method ... As a political method, populism is not driven by any particular ideology ... former close Trump advisor John Bolton alleges this to be true about Trump, disputing that "Trumpism" even exists in any meaningful philosophical sense
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary (1)
If freedom is short of weapons, we must compensate with willpower. (2)
Hitler is an enemy of Communism. Their ideals are very different whereas some of Trump's ideals overlap with that of Fascism.
... told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos on Good Morning America that likening him to Hitler is "terrible" and that he is "not happy." ... Trump said he was not aware celebrities, including Louis C.K., and some world leaders, such as Mexican president Peña Nieto, were comparing him to Hitler. "I don't want that comparison," he added. (8)
This supports my previous point about Trumpism not even being a coherent ideology. Even Communism is closer to Fascism in this respect. Their beliefs are written in stone. They have concrete ideals that their members subscribe to. They are (more-or-less) coherent, unlike Trumpism.
Trumpism supports gun rights. But Communism supports them more:Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary (1)Fascism was less obsessed with gun rights:If freedom is short of weapons, we must compensate with willpower. (2)In fact, it outright denied gun rights equality with the 1938 Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons. So here we see Trumpism being less like Fascism, because it supports gun rights for all without regard to race or religion. This undermines my opponent's use of the left/right metaphor, because gun rights is one of the top 3 major beliefs of Trumpism. (3)
Communism and Fascism both took extreme positions on leadership. Communism says, no leader. Facsism says, an absolutely powerful leader in charge for life. A dictatorship.Contrast that with Trumpism, where their position on how much power their ruler should have is quite shaky. Should it be for 4 years? 8 years? Should they be mostly just a figurehead with lots of checks, balances, and roadblocks in the way? Trumpism is all over the place. Again, this ties back into the point about incoherency.
If you ask Trump he would claim to be an enemy of Fascism:... told ABC News' George Stephanopoulos on Good Morning America that likening him to Hitler is "terrible" and that he is "not happy." ... Trump said he was not aware celebrities, including Louis C.K., and some world leaders, such as Mexican president Peña Nieto, were comparing him to Hitler. "I don't want that comparison," he added. (8)
Communism and Fascism are both anti-Capitalism. (9)(10) Trumpism is pro-Capitalism. (3)
- F and T are authright, C is authleft
- F and T are more capitalist than socialist, C is socialist
- F and C are enemies, F and T aren't
- On the Gun rights issue, F is closer than T than compared to C
- Overall, F is closer to T than to C
- Vote Pro
Con has not even refuted Pro's definition whatsoever, so just arguing that the beliefs are "coherent" does nothing here as Communism and Fascism are the opposite of the left-and-right spectrum
the "Guns are unneeded" of Fascism is simply closer to "Guns shouldn't be banned, alright" of Trumpism, compared to "Guns should not be taken from the workers, in ANY extent" of Communism, on this issue, Fascism is closer to Trumpism compared to Communism.
he is somewhat comfortable with a domestic fascist group, KKK
It is an established fact that Fascism is anti-socialist.
Fascism is closer to capitalism than socialism
- Comunism & Fascism are coherent. Trumpism is not.
- Communism & Fascism are antique. Trumpism not. (2)
- Communism & Fascism were founded by people who sincerely believed their own ideologies and practiced what they preach. Trumpism was not.
- Communism & Fascism are both anti-Capitalist. Trumpism is not. (3)
- Communism & Fascism are both critical of Jewish politics. Trumpism is not. (4)
- Communism & Trumpism are both pro-gun. Fascism is less so. This enforces my position that Trumpism is not more similar to Fascism than Communism.