Instigator / Con
36
1644
rating
64
debates
65.63%
won
Topic
#2838

Earth is Flat

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
12
6
Better sources
12
6
Better legibility
6
6
Better conduct
6
6

After 6 votes and with 12 points ahead, the winner is...

Undefeatable
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
500
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Pro
24
1774
rating
97
debates
77.32%
won
Description

The flat Earth model is an archaic conception of Earth's shape as a plane or disk.

Earth: the third planet in the solar system from the sun

I believe I can prove earth is NOT flat in only 500 characters

No arguments about the world being a simulation is allowed

Burden of proof is shared

Round 1
Con
#1

Pro
#2
Einstein replaced intuitive Newtonian physics with a better theory [5]     


  • P1: Moving in straight line results in an orbit. [1]
  • P2: Gravity is not a force. Gravity = Bending of spacetime [2, 3]
  • C1: An orbit is a straight line


Just like an orbit is a straight line in spacetime, Earth's surface is a flat plane in spacetime. [4]

Humans cannot grasp relativity or advanced science, we perceive merely a visual model of reality -- a globe. Reality =/= our concepts of a globe.

As the universe sees it, Earth is flat. 


1. [NASA]
2. [space.com],
3. [science]
4. [w]
5. [ABC]
Round 2
Con
#3
Extend all arguments as they are dropped.

Einstein theory irrelevant to Geography.

P1: What? The orbit is formed with satellite's straight line momentum combined with gravity.

Con has proved no linkage from gravity to Earth's layout.

Earth *surface* is flat in space time, but does not prove that Earth itself is flat.

"we perceive merely a visual model of reality" seems dangerously close to simulation-ism, which is disallowed in debate premises.

Recall that flat earth theory is considered conspiracy, spacetime irrelevant
Pro
#4
Rebuttal R1
  • Appeal to intuitive perception rather than objective physics
  • Globe is only one of many models [3]
  • Earth is flat regardless of model


  • PRO's round Earth impossible


P1


Is spacetime irrelevant?
  • PRO rejects science without evidence or logical explanation.


Concession:
PRO admits Earths surface is a flat plane in spacetime
His assertion that Earth has a different shape than its surface is nonsensical and lacks evidence

PRO BASICALLY CONCEDED


Round 3
Con
#5
  • Con doesn't explain why gravity has anything to do with Earth geography
  • No motivation/logic explained for why NASA and all world gov. org. "lie about flat earth"
  • No reasoning for why Greek philosopher "lied", and we keep secret for thousands of years
  • Surface = how much cover, Volume (Spherical) = how much held -> surface =/= volume

Pro
#6
CON assumes:
  1. Gravity is a force
  2. Perfect 3D geometry





  • Earth can be described by multiple models






LOGICAL PROOF THAT CON CONCEDED:

A.

C: Earth has same shape as surface



 Quoting CON: "Earth surface is flat"
 
 
So "Earth surface is flat" = fact

B.

P1: Earth is same shape as its surface
P2: Surface of Earth is flat [CON]
C: EARTH IS FLAT

Vote PRO if you respect the laws of logic