Instigator / Con
36
1715
rating
36
debates
73.61%
won
Topic

Earth is Flat

Status
Finished

All stages have been completed. The voting points distribution and the result are presented below.

Arguments points
12
6
Sources points
12
6
Spelling and grammar points
6
6
Conduct points
6
6

With 6 votes and 12 points ahead, the winner is ...

Undefeatable
Parameters
More details
Publication date
Last update date
Category
Science
Time for argument
Two days
Voting system
Open voting
Voting period
One month
Point system
Four points
Rating mode
Rated
Characters per argument
500
Contender / Pro
24
1525
rating
17
debates
50.0%
won
Description
~ 292 / 5,000

The flat Earth model is an archaic conception of Earth's shape as a plane or disk.

Earth: the third planet in the solar system from the sun

I believe I can prove earth is NOT flat in only 500 characters

No arguments about the world being a simulation is allowed

Burden of proof is shared

Round 1
Con

Pro
Einstein replaced intuitive Newtonian physics with a better theory [5]     


  • P1: Moving in straight line results in an orbit. [1]
  • P2: Gravity is not a force. Gravity = Bending of spacetime [2, 3]
  • C1: An orbit is a straight line


Just like an orbit is a straight line in spacetime, Earth's surface is a flat plane in spacetime. [4]

Humans cannot grasp relativity or advanced science, we perceive merely a visual model of reality -- a globe. Reality =/= our concepts of a globe.

As the universe sees it, Earth is flat. 


1. [NASA]
2. [space.com],
3. [science]
4. [w]
5. [ABC]
Round 2
Con
Extend all arguments as they are dropped.

Einstein theory irrelevant to Geography.

P1: What? The orbit is formed with satellite's straight line momentum combined with gravity.

Con has proved no linkage from gravity to Earth's layout.

Earth *surface* is flat in space time, but does not prove that Earth itself is flat.

"we perceive merely a visual model of reality" seems dangerously close to simulation-ism, which is disallowed in debate premises.

Recall that flat earth theory is considered conspiracy, spacetime irrelevant
Pro
Rebuttal R1
  • Appeal to intuitive perception rather than objective physics
  • Globe is only one of many models [3]
  • Earth is flat regardless of model


  • PRO's round Earth impossible


P1


Is spacetime irrelevant?
  • PRO rejects science without evidence or logical explanation.


Concession:
PRO admits Earths surface is a flat plane in spacetime
His assertion that Earth has a different shape than its surface is nonsensical and lacks evidence

PRO BASICALLY CONCEDED


Round 3
Con
  • Con doesn't explain why gravity has anything to do with Earth geography
  • No motivation/logic explained for why NASA and all world gov. org. "lie about flat earth"
  • No reasoning for why Greek philosopher "lied", and we keep secret for thousands of years
  • Surface = how much cover, Volume (Spherical) = how much held -> surface =/= volume

Pro
CON assumes:
  1. Gravity is a force
  2. Perfect 3D geometry





  • Earth can be described by multiple models






LOGICAL PROOF THAT CON CONCEDED:

A.

C: Earth has same shape as surface



 Quoting CON: "Earth surface is flat"
 
 
So "Earth surface is flat" = fact

B.

P1: Earth is same shape as its surface
P2: Surface of Earth is flat [CON]
C: EARTH IS FLAT

Vote PRO if you respect the laws of logic