Islam is the truth
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Islam is the truth
(Sahih Muslim, Hadith: 1).
that a few verses allude to hypotheses such as big bang theory which are correct and thus true.
Even if Islamic Scripture has a minute percentage of accidental accuracy
Pro has not given use definitions to work with.
Islam speaks of gambling being a severe sin and then demands all followers to gamble on Allah being real.
Islam lets one eat beef but not pork, lets one ve in a polyomous situation where the women all are themselves monogamous to a man yet disallows the reverse.
Many peculiarities are there before we can say that it is the truth and Islam is not the scripture, the scripture is actually the adultered version of the spoken, sung Quranic verses which is the then authentic Islamic doctrine.
“No man hath seen God at any time…”– John 1:18
“…The LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron.” — Judges 1:19
“…ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.” — Matthew 5:39
“…if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” — Galatians 5:2
“I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation…” — Exodus 20:5
“…the hour is coming, in which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth….” — John 5:28-29
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23).
Going into this debate, the claim is huge. It is not just that Islam contains some truth, but an outright absolute that it is "The Truth."
Miracles:
Pro lists some potential miracles, starting with Muslims making the big bang... Oh and there are eye witness accounts of this happening (I'm guessing there's a language barrier here).
Con explains this better than there are hypothesis of the nature of the universe within Islam (as opposed to miracles given out by Muslims).
The Quran itself:
Pro offers an appeal to tradition (whatever is oldest is best), without any connection to why this makes anything better.
Con does an interesting counter that the Sung version is older, thus by pro's standard more true.
Pro denies that the Quran was ever sung.
Words and Linguistics of the Quran:
Many words are in the Quran... Honestly not sure where pro was going with this.
Pro doubles down, making a big deal out of "day being written 365 times and month 12 times" as if that is supposed to mean anything.
Contradictions:
Con charges that the Quran contains inherant contradictions, such as gambling, unequal treatment of animals, unequal treatment of the sexes.
Pro defends with special pleading, that it's not gambling if someone promises you'll win.
Pro defends that meat must be gathered without harming the animal... Also all pork causes the eaters of it massive harm...
Something something about Muslim men being too abusive, and women too emotional...
BoP:
Con reminds us that we have no definition for The Truth.
Pro defends that he doesn't need to... This is a huge blunder: It's not that every single claim needs full definitions, but certainly a meaning for The Truth must be offered (or at least clearly and plainly implied).
Pro further complains of lack of evidence (at this point there have been no sources offered, as a reader, I'm literally having to take the words of the debaters at face value).
Con doubles down that the Quran has not been proven to to be exclusively in accordance with reality.
Christianity:
Pro wastes his closing round with a rant against Christianity, which is off topic at best... It's like saying every color that isn't purple is yellow, then proving that magenta isn't true purple and concluding that it must therefore be yellow.
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Were conduct an option, it would be firmly against con.
Con hasn't won arguments, so much as pro lost them. I'm left judging if I believe everything pro says, including that some beef isn't harmed (nor feels any pain at all) when being slaughtered), and further that I'm sick if I've ate pork; seriously, I had a delicious Al Pastor Tora yesterday for lunch, and no ill effects are noticed. Then the whole thing about how Muslim men are abusive, which even if I believe pro on, it would be quite the leap to say this applies to all men.
Had this debate a better resolution to what pro argued, he would have easily won. Such as "Islam is more true than X."
Rm's habitual forfeitures do put him at a stark disadvantage.
A great example is the debate: https://www.debateart.com/debates/3464-the-user-who-votes-first-on-this-debate-will-most-likely-vote-con
If another voter favors him, he'll still only tie the debate, even with that being 2:1 people believing he won arguments.
That said, he still wins a good deal of debates via skill in the rounds for which he does show up.
Personally, I weight middle rounds the most strongly. I don't assign any precise formula to this, but the opening round isn't where the best conflict arises (the instigator hasn't even responded to attacks on their case); and the final round is more for summaries (as much as I do start reading some debates with this, to see which arguments the debaters themselves believe had the most impact), with last minute epiphanies rated fairly low as not an organic part of the debate.
Even with the burden of proof I have, RationalMadman forfeited the last round and I explained why Islam can only be the true religion in the 3rd round
thank you for your service.
Ehyeh's vote was removed at the voter's request.
Can you not make it a tie?
You're right. Can mods take down my vote? your argument was still ridiculously lazy. The only reason you can be said to won is the immense burden of proof rayhan has.
Please see ehyeh's vote.
My round 2 alone wins the debate if you understand what I wrote. This was me trying just not wasting effort addressing irrelevant points to the topic.
How come you are so lazy with arguments these days?
Once we achieve that our blessed society becomes free from muslims and circumcisers of children, that will be a great day for all the brave people who opposed to oppression.
Yeah. Korea is the best as well. Even north Korea, very good country, no terrorism, no oppression, I hope you love your country!!! :))))
What muslims dont understand is that mere existence of islam is violence which must be stopped by stopping islam.
Exactly! Those millions of Muslims already in our society in the UK let alone the rest of the world are doing such atrocities right? The murder that is influenced by Islam, the raping and the paedophilia. Even though these are majority white crimes. But still we need to get them out. close the borders.
If we let muslims in our society the entire way of life which we seek to live would be threatened by their repulsive culture.
Yes, all those Muslims want is power!! The Muslims that are not allowed to go to war without the enemy attacking first and the Muslims that are not allowed to kill innocents and the Muslims that are told to follow the law of the land want to take over and destroy everything!!! DARN THOSE Muslims
Muslims use cheap tricks pretending to be innocent until they gain power to destroy everything.
Yes, hopefully all 1.8 billion Muslims and counting, 25% of humanity, will stop involving themselves in your society. Obviously you have a society where no one is allowed to enter and no one is allowed to leave. I hope those darn Muslims who gave you coffee, clocks, cameras, cleanliness, universities, surgical instruments, maps, algebra, etc will go away and they are not welcome. Those Muslims that gave you curry should go back to where they came from!! Darn them pesky Muslims!
I will be happy when muslims finally realize that they are undesireable in our society.
Islam gives respect for women
Islam gives a great punishment for raping and murder
Islam tells you to repent and sins will be forgiven
Islam tells a man to lower their gaze when looking at women
Islam tells people to follow the righteous path and they go to heaven
Islam tells people to not kill innocents
Islam gives rights to women
Islam is a beautiful religion. I am a Muslim and I am a wolf. WOOOOO!!!
Muslims dont understand that islam doesnt fit in our world view which means it has no place in our society.
Yes I am a wolf! I go out when there is a full moon and howl so much and I turn into a wolf as well. So do the other 1.8 billion other Muslims and growing. Yay! I love being a wolf! And I love garlic as well and I love to eat chicken! Lovely! Yay!
Muslims are wolves that cannot trick anyone with their disguise.
I love chocolate and I love ice-cream. I love family, I love cartoons and I really really love the sun. I love the rain and I love the toaster and I love crisps and I love my phone. I love shoes and I love watches. I love my religion. Very dark!!!
The mind of a muslim is a dark dangerous mind which I strongly oppose to.
There is no point making these claims without evidence. Who do you think you are? Your baseless claims are invalid and Islam will continue to grow
Allah Akbar!
In these difficult times, I have managed to resist the islamic aggression that targeted my mind with the extreme power of will. I have successfuly repelled the word of islam which sought to enslave me. I hope that I can with my example inspire others to resist the islamic offensive while securing the proper way of life. May the anti islamic union light the path!
So you have no argument, no evidence, no explanation, no interpretation, no quotes, no mind and no brain. All you have is baseless claims.
I will now claim that Korea is not the best. I will give no evidence nor anything else. I will simply say, Korea is not the best. How do you feel about that?
Unless you give evidence for your claims, your claims are invalid, just like your name.
Good day, may Allah guide you
I will not bow under the influence of your violent religion.
Yes but surely you know what exactly is wrong with Islam. Care to explain?
I cannot be seduced by the pretty words which follow the destruction commanded by the islam.
Please tell me what is so bad about Islam?
These muslims are simply easily deceived by the old paper. Islam failed to convince me to belive in its fairy tales. For years I have with great determination resisted the islam. I am still resisting. I have not fallen subjugated in front of the nightmare that muslims have brought to the world. The struggle continues today, as muslims attack and threaten to occupy the minds of the young people infecting them with pollution. To these young people I say: Stay strong! Dont let the evil islamic world view occupy and destroy your lives! I can see through muslim tactic. They even admit it themselves: Their religion is about subjugation! I am sorry my dear muslims, but you will not subjugate me. No words can affect my will.
If you guys can, please vote for this one. In my opinion Con has not refuted most of it plus he forfeited in round 3
I mean every animal is haram if it is not cut in a halal way.
That is cutting the animal by its jugular vein to reduce as much pain as possible and make the death instant with no suffering
Plus the animal cannot be near the other animals
Halal killing in my opinion is the way
I don't have a problem with that. I'm simply curious how the Quran justifies it, as admittedly I'm unaware. Although I do think its reasonable, if its not just pigs but all animals of its kind and predator animals with fangs etc.
Rats and bats are also haram
Pigs are one of the dirtiest animals
They can give you a lot of diseases
Says in the Quran a pig is forbidden
If you have a problem with that, keep it to yourself.
trichinosis affects many animals outside of pigs. Its something that can be found in any animal if it eats meat. just because an animal plays in mud doesn't make it any more dirty to eat if cooked sufficiently. Rats, bats, and many many other animals objectively are far more likely to carry disease or infections than pigs are. To use an example, these are the infections I can get from cows: ringworm, Q fever, chlamydiosis, leptospirosis, campylobacterosis, salmonellosis, listeriosis, yersiniosis, cryptosporidiosis and infections with pathogenic strains of Escherichia coli, Mycobacterium paratuberculosis, campylobacteriosis, MRSA, rabies, and Anthrax.
What are the many reasons exclusive to pork, which doesn't overlap with other red meats? such as lamb, turkey, etc.
First of all, eating pork is nothing to do with proving Islam to be the truth.
Secondly, a Pig is known to be one of the most dirtiest animals in the world. They thrive off mud. Trichinosis is also an effect of eating pork and humans are prone to this disease. There are many health issues with eating pork plus Allah gives a command to say to not eat pork. Many reasons.
Thirdly, Hindu's not eating cows is irrelevant. You said cows are not eaten in India, that is not the case. I think you meant Hindu's. Plus they worship the cows and consider them sacred, however we do not do the same with pigs.
QURAN ( 2:173)
Indeed prohibited for you are dead meat, blood and meat of the pig and anything else that has been slaughtered with a named other than that of Allah, but if someone is under duress without being rebellious then there is no sin on him and Allah Merciful and Forgiving.
I'm unsure why eating pork is more dirty than any other domesticated animal which produces red meats. Most historians believe eating pork became something mandated against in Islam because during that time people were getting sick due to diseases it could carry. The same happened in India with cows, hence why they don't eat cow in India. If you agree with this being the case, wouldn't eating pork being sinful not be the case today? or do you disagree with that theory, what do you think?
You can know as much people as you want. I know ISIS, not personally, but from a public background. I can say they are not following Islam. What a lot of the non Muslims say is like your argument. Why are Muslims torturing and killing ex Muslims. This is not taught in the Quran therefore it is a person's choice, not a religious thing. So to answer that ambiguous question, nothing to do with Islam, but only with peoples free will :)
I know of ex-Muslims and victims of the barbaric side of Islam. You do not know what has happened to the victims, I do, in detail.
Muslims are not some sort of animals you know. 1.8 billion of us on earth that is a quarter of humanity. You think Muslims will send you death threats over opinions that you may have? There are people burning the Quran, one person in Norway is a repeat offender, and you know what happened to him? Nothing, but for every Quran he burns, £50,000 is donated to build a new mosque in Norway. This is not violent.
Also, even if you do see lots of Muslims killing people for their opinions today, doesn't mean it is right. There is a difference between Islam and Muslims. Muslims have free will, Islam is a religion that won't change. People will.
because I am courageous in the face of fear and I feel law enforcement would understand that I am not being brainwashed into either side of this debate in particular and let me be.
I also have worries what could happen if I were to travel to an Islamic nation later on, idk what level of surveillance they have and do know I typed these things.
Bravery and courage are not about being fearless, that is stupidity or psychopathy. Bravery and courage relate to feeling fear and doing something anyway.
Lol why would you get death threats? It is a debate. Also if it fills you with dread why do you accept?
No, it actually fills me with dread as if I got doxxed, I could get death threats and other things. It's you who seems to enjoy it.
https://www.debateart.com/participants/rayhan16/debates
You really like debating about Islam huh?