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THBT: People should be forced into recovery programs

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People should be forced into recovery programs, such as those to deal with severe drug abuse, severe eating disorders, and so on. In the United States, if you're a legal adult, you have the ability to refuse treatment/medical intervention and to essentially allow yourself to die, at least in many parts of America. This will be the topic of stipulation. In other parts of the globe, such as Canada, people can be forced into rehabilitation programs to save their lives, I will be arguing that this is the correct and most logical policy.

Pro: people should sometimes be forced into recovery programs
Con: people should never be forced into recovery programs

Round 1
Pro
I. Uncertainty principle
In most parts of the globe, active voluntary euthanasia is illegal. The reason for this is manifold. One is due to a best interest argument; when someone is depressed and wants to commit suicide, we assume it is in their best interests not to commit suicide. The reason for this is the idea that committing suicide is like dropping an atomic bomb on your life problems. Since humans are not omniscient beings, we're unsure if it's within a suicidal person's best interest to commit suicide. Therefore, we assume it's best to save the person as we don't know if they are aware of what they're doing and the implications of their actions. The moral implications of dying are likely far worse than choosing to live and sorting through and continuing to contemplate the issues that give them so much suffering, which offers an opportunity to overcome them. If we could know if it was in someone's best interest to die with certainty, then there would be no reason to stop suicides from happening.

II. the saviour paradox
If seeing someone commit suicide and deciding not to aid is ethically wrong, then not intervening when someone is using toxic substances to the point of imminent death, or someone not eating enough food to the point of death, would also be unjustifiable if watching someone commit suicide is.

p1. not stopping someone from committing suicide is ethically wrong.
p2. not stopping someone from taking substances which will lead to their eventual death is also therefore wrong.



III. Eugenia cooney
I'm going to make an example of a YouTuber with extreme body dysmorphia and anorexia. She is so emancipated to the point where it is evident she is going to die before her 35th birthday if she does not get immediate medical attention. Her parents don't force her to get rehabilitation for her eating disorder, so she's left in a state of not eating enough food to maintain body mass. She is so skinny to the point that if she tried to eat food, it very well might actually kill her. This means medical intervention is necessary to save her life, but where she lives in the United States, it allows her to deny medical help, which could save her life in her best interests.

This is evidently a faulty system when we're dealing with those who have a mental illness or are not suffering from a terminal illness. As proven by the lack of a symmetry breaker to be found between euthanasia and drug abuse/eating disorders and our moral responsibility within a normative ethical framework.

Short and sweet.



Con
Forfeited
Round 2
Pro
She was more like a beauty queen
From a movie scene
I said, "Don't mind, but what do you mean
I am the one
Who will dance on the floor in the round?"
She said I am the one
Who will dance on the floor in the round

She told me her name was Billie Jean
As she caused a scene
Then every head turned with eyes that dreamed of being the one
Who will dance on the floor in the round

People always told me, "Be careful of what you do.
And don't go around breaking young girls' hearts."
And mother always told me, "A-be careful of who you love,
And be careful of what you do
'Cause the lie becomes the truth."

Billie Jean is not my lover
She's just a girl who claims that I am the one
But the kid is not my son
She says I am the one
But the kid is not my son

For forty days and for forty nights
Law was on her side
But who can stand
When she's in demand
Her schemes and plans
'Cause we danced on the floor in the round
So take my strong advice
Just remember to always think twice
(Do think twice, do think twice.)

She told, "My baby, we'd danced 'til three."
Then she looked at me
Then showed a photo of a baby cry
His eyes looked like mine, oh, no
Do a dance on the floor in the round, baby

A-people always told me, "Be careful of what you do
And don't go around breaking young girls' hearts."
(Don't break no heart.)
A-but she came and stood right by me
And just the smell of sweet perfume
And this happened much too soon
And she called me to her room

Billie Jean is not my lover
She's just a girl who claims that I am the one
But the kid is not my son
(No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.)
Billie Jean is not my lover
She's just a girl who claims that I am the one
But the kid is not my son
She says I am the one
But the kid is not my son

She says I am the one
But the kid is not my son

No, no, no

Billie Jean is not my lover
She's just a girl who claims that I am the one
(No, there's not me, baby.)
But the kid is not my son
(No, no, no, no, no, no, no.)
She says I am the one (No, babe.)
But the kid is not my son, no, no, no

She says I am the one
You know what you did
She says he is my son
Breaking my heart, babe
She says I am the one

Billie Jean is not my lover
Billie Jean is not my lover
Billie Jean is not my lover
She is the one
Billie Jean is not my lover
She is the one
Don't call me Billie Jean
Billie Jean is not my lover
She is the one
She stumbled onto the scene
Billie Jean is not my lover
Billie Jean is not my lover





Con
Forfeited
Round 3
Pro
Yo, Zdot on production
I don't even know what to say
Okay
Peng tings on my WhatsApp and my iPhone too
The brown skinned girls and the white ones too
Girls love me and I love them too
I was on the roads when Dizzee made I Luv U (I Luv U, U, U)
Talk about me you better hashtag merky
Can't chat about speed look my cab man's certi
Shout out to my big bro Wiley, that's a badman from early
Lo-look I'm a boss man like Birdie, I'm a badman like Shirley
If grime's dead then how am I here?
Big man like me with a beard, look how am I scared?
God's wrath is the only power man fear
Couple skengman, then showerman here
Shower man down in my shower man gear, yeah
Talk about me you better hashtag problem
Adidas creps, don't ask where I got them
Don't ask what they are, don't ask if I copped them
I go hard for my team, I go hard for my squadron
Where'd you get your Rollie from?
W-where'd you get your Rollie from?
I do not know this don
Where do you know me from?
Out here like the Roll Deep song
Ban I'm tryna put my Co-Ds on
I do not know this don
Where do you know me from?
Where do you know me from?
W-where do you know me from?
Where do you know me from?
W-where do you know me from?
Where do you know me from?
W-where do you know me from?
Where do you know me from?
W-where do you know me from?
Got bit by a snake, but I'm over that
Can't chat about gyal, I get loadsa that
Man know I'm a beast onstage
Don't make man go back to Culture Clash
Man are over-gassed
Dark skin boy, man are over-black
Talk real greazy, I'm known for that
Talk about Ps when you owe me that?
Man are not real like that
Real talk, man'll get killed like that
Man'll talk wrecked or man'll get caught in the flesh
Look, man I don't bill like that
We all know you're a good child
So pull up your jeans
Get off the street and go do your mum proud
Go get a job and don't come out your house, mug
Look I don't rate them boys
Bare wasteman, bare pagan boys
I come to your team and I fuck shit up
I'm David Moyes
Look, I'm a lord of the mic
And I ain't been Lord of the Mics
Can't chat about bars, can't chat about flow
Cuh man've done all of that hype, what?
Where'd you get your Rollie from?
W-where'd you get your Rollie from?
I do not know this don
Where do you know me from?
Out here like the Roll Deep song
Ban I'm tryna put my Co-Ds on
I do not know this don
Where do you know me from?
Where do you know me from?
W-where do you know me from?
Where do you know me from?
W-where do you know me from?
Where do you know me from?
W-where do you know me from?
Where do you know me from?
W-where do you know me from?
Oi, big up Wiley
Man haffi pay homage to the godfather, yeah?
My name is Stormzy
My name is the problem
My name is Big Mike
My name is Stiff Chocolate
My name is Wicked Skengman, live in the flesh
Boy
Know me from, where do you know me from?
Where do you know me from, where do you know me from?
Where do you know me from, where do y-
Oi, I'm gonna 'llow it, I'm gonna 'llow it

Con
Forfeited