Islam vs Christianity

1. Allah is proudly referred to as a 'great deceiver' said to know evil plans before they are lain, to out-deceive and out-crook the most cunning and vicious of crooks. Meanwhile, the Christian God is not exactly applauded for the ability to see evil before it occurs, it is merely an ability that's mentioned and it's much more about you being aware he sees it and needing to repent. With Allah the atmosphere and nature is as follows (I will give you 3 examples from Qur'an):
   

Qur'an 3:54

Literal: And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers.[2]

Qur'an 7:99

Literal: Did they secure God's scheme/deceit ? So no(one) trusts God's scheme/deceit except the nation the losers.[3]

Qur'an 8:30

Literal: And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and God deceives/schemes and God (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers.[4]

Qur'an 10:21

Literal: And if We made the people taste/experience mercy from after calamity/disastrous distress touched them, then for them (is) cheatery/deceit/schemes in Our verses/evidences . Say: "God (is) quicker/faster (in) cunning/scheming , that Our messengers write what you cheat/ deceive/scheme."[5]

Qur'an 13:42

Literal: And those from before them had cheated/deceived/schemed, so to God (is) all the cheatery/deceit/scheme. He knows what every self gains/acquires , and the disbelievers will know to whom (is) the house's/home's end/turn (result).[6]

[8.10] And Allah only gave it as a good news and that your hearts might be at ease thereby; and victory is only from Allah; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.

[8.11] When He caused calm to fall on you as a security from Him and sent down upon you water from the cloud that He might thereby purify you, and take away from you the uncleanness of the Shaitan, and that He might fortify your hearts and steady (your) footsteps thereby.

[8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

[8.13] This is because they acted adversely to Allah and His Apostle; and whoever acts adversely to Allah and His Apostle-- then surely Allah is severe in requiting (evil).

[8.14] This-- taste it, and (know) that for the unbelievers is the chastisement of fire.

[8.15] O you who believe! when you meet those who disbelieve marching for war, then turn not your backs to them.

[8.16] And whoever shall turn his back to them on that day-- unless he turn aside for the sake of fighting or withdraws to a company-- then he, indeed, becomes deserving of Allah's wrath, and his abode is hell; and an evil destination shall it be.

[8.17] So you did not slay them, but it was Allah Who slew them, and you did not smite when you smote (the enemy), but it was Allah Who smote, and that He might confer upon the believers a good gift from Himself; surely Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

[8.18] This, and that Allah is the weakener of the struggle of the unbelievers.

[8.19] If you demanded a judgment, the judgment has then indeed come to you; and if you desist, it will be better for you; and if you turn back (to fight), We (too) shall turn back, and your forces shall avail you nothing, though they may be many, and (know) that Allah is with the believers.

[8.20] O you who believe! obey Allah and His Apostle and do not turn back from Him while you hear.

[8.21] And be not like those who said, We hear, and they did not obey.

[8.22] Surely the vilest of animals, in Allah's sight, are the deaf, the dumb, who do not understand.

[8.23] And if Allah had known any good in them He would have made them hear, and if He makes them hear they would turn back while they withdraw.

[8.24] O you who believe! answer (the call of) Allah and His Apostle when he calls you to that which gives you life; and know that Allah intervenes between man and his heart, and that to Him you shall be gathered.

[8.25] And fear an affliction which may not smite those of you in particular who are unjust; and know that Allah is severe in requiting (evil).

[8.26] And remember when you were few, deemed weak in the land, fearing lest people might carry you off by force, but He sheltered you and strengthened you with His aid and gave you of the good things that you may give thanks.

[8.27] O you who believe! be not unfaithful to Allah and the Apostle, nor be unfaithful to your trusts while you know.

[2.14] And when they meet those who believe, they say: We believe; and when they are alone with their Shaitans, they say: Surely we are with you, we were only mocking.

[2.36] But the Shaitan made them both fall from it, and caused them to depart from that (state) in which they were; and We said: Get forth, some of you being the enemies of others, and there is for you in the earth an abode and a provision for a time.

[2.102] And they followed what the Shaitans chanted of sorcery in the reign of Sulaiman, and Sulaiman was not an unbeliever, but the Shaitans disbelieved, they taught men sorcery and that was sent down to the two angels at Babel, Harut and Marut, yet these two taught no man until they had said, "Surely we are only a trial, therefore do not be a disbeliever." Even then men learned from these two, magic by which they might cause a separation between a man and his wife; and they cannot hurt with it any one except with Allah's permission, and they learned what harmed them and did not profit them, and certainly they know that he who bought it should have no share of good in the hereafter and evil was the price for which they sold their souls, had they but known this.

[2.168] O men! eat the lawful and good things out of what is in the earth, and do not follow the footsteps of the Shaitan; surely he is your open enemy.

[2.208] O you who believe! enter into submission one and all and do not follow the footsteps of Shaitan; surely he is your open enemy.

[2.256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

[2.257] Allah is the guardian of those who believe. He brings them out of the darkness into the light; and (as to) those who disbelieve, their guardians are Shaitans who take them out of the light into the darkness; they are the inmates of the fire, in it they shall abide.

[2.268] Shaitan threatens you with poverty and enjoins you to be niggardly, and Allah promises you forgiveness from Himself and abundance; and Allah is Ample-giving, Knowing.

[2.275] Those who swallow down usury cannot arise except as one whom Shaitan has prostrated by (his) touch does rise. That is because they say, trading is only like usury; and Allah has allowed trading and forbidden usury. To whomsoever then the admonition has come from his Lord, then he desists, he shall have what has already passed, and his affair is in the hands of Allah; and whoever returns (to it)-- these arc the inmates of the fire; they shall abide in it.

[3.36] So when she brought forth, she said: My Lord! Surely I have brought it forth a female-- and Allah knew best what she brought forth-- and the male is not like the female, and I have named it Marium, and I commend her and her offspring into Thy protection from the accursed Shaitan.

[3.155] (As for) those of you who turned back on the day when the two armies met, only the Shaitan sought to cause them to make a slip on account of some deeds they had done, and certainly Allah has pardoned them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Forbearing.

[3.175] It is only the Shaitan that causes you to fear from his friends, but do not fear them, and fear Me if you are believers.

[4.38] And those who spend their property (in alms) to be seen of the people and do not believe in Allah nor in the last day; and as for him whose associate is the Shaitan, an evil associate is he!

[4.60] Have you not seen those who assert that they believe in what has been revealed to you and what was revealed before you? They desire to summon one another to the judgment of the Shaitan, though they were commanded to deny him, and the Shaitan desires to lead them astray into a remote error.

[4.76] Those who believe fight in the way of Allah, and those who disbelieve fight in the way of the Shaitan. Fight therefore against the friends of the Shaitan; surely the strategy of the Shaitan is weak.

[4.83] And when there comes to them news of security or fear they spread it abroad; and if they had referred it to the Apostle and to those in authority among them, those among them who can search out the knowledge of it would have known it, and were it not for the grace of Allah upon you and His mercy, you would have certainly followed the Shaitan save a few

[4.117] They do not call besides Him on anything but idols, and they do not call on anything but a rebellious Shaitan.

[4.119] And most certainly I will lead them astray and excite in them vain desires, and bid them so that they shall slit the ears of the cattle, and most certainly I will bid them so that they shall alter Allah's creation; and whoever takes the Shaitan for a guardian rather than Allah he indeed shall suffer a manifest loss.

[4.120] He gives them promises and excites vain desires in them; and the Shaitan does not promise them but to deceive.

Sahih International, at Quran.com:[8]

Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard. But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally], strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand.[9]

153. Since the ummah has been invested with world leadership, a set of necessary directives is now provided for its guidance. Before laying down these directives it seemed necessary to caution the Muslims that the office which had been conferred on them was indeed no bed of roses. On the contrary, it was a great and perilous responsibility. Once they undertook it, they would be subjected to all kinds of afflictions, put to all kinds of trials and tribulations and made to bear all kinds of deprivation. If, however, the Muslims persisted along the path of God despite the perils they would be rewarded with God's favour in full measure.

(2:154) And do not say of those who are killed in the way of Allah that they are dead; they are alive even though you have no knowledge of their life.155

(2:155) We shall certainly test you by afflicting you with fear, hunger, loss of properties and lives and fruits. Give glad tidings, then, to those who remain patient;

(2:156) those who when any affliction smites them, they say: “Verily, we belong to Allah, and it is to Him that we are destined to return.”156

(2:157) Upon them will be the blessings and mercy of their Lord, and it is they who are rightly guided.

(2:158) Surely, al-Safa and al-Marwah are the symbols of Allah. Hence, whoever performs Hajj (Full Pilgrimage)157 to the House (of Allah) or makes 'Umrah (Minor Pilgrimage), will find that it is no sin for him to ambulate between the two.158 And whoever does a good work voluntarily159 should know that Allah is Appreciative, All-Knowing.

The Sharia punishment for Muslims who drop their faith is death and the confiscation of their property.
The reason why is curious.

The Muslim Brotherhood’s Abdul Qader ‘Oudah explains it in “Criminal Law of Islam, Volume III”: “If this offence is taken lightly, the collective system of Islam may collapse. The severe punishment laid down for it aims at the total elimination of apostasy on the one hand and warning and preventing others from committing it.”

Opposition to Islam must be silenced at all costs in case the ideology can’t withstand free thought.

Secular Muslims reject Sharia censorship; but Islamists embrace and promote it.

{mosads}That is why they kill cartoonists for drawing Muhammad, or end criticism with blasphemy laws now cunningly called “vilification of religion” and disguised as protection against “anti-Muslim bigotry.”
 
And now they have silenced the most famous and celebrated ex-Muslim thinker of our time: Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
It isn’t happening in Riyadh or Tehran, but in Sydney, Australia, where she is supposed to be on a speaking tour right now. She isn’t, because of the threat of death and violence. It just isn’t safe for her there.

The organisers of her tour, Think Inc, have been harassed. Their insurers were contacted and warned of trouble. The venues where she was to appear were told there would be protests.
The Australian reported that Syed Murtaza Hussain of the Council for the Prevention of Islamophobia Inc. told Festival Hall in Melbourne there would be 5,000 demonstrators outside the venue.

Islamist political party Hizb ut-Tahrir told a recent meeting in Sydney that in their view Islam sanctions the killing of ex-Muslims.

“In Islam (it) is clear that apostates do attract capital punishment, we don’t shy away from that,” said spokesman Uthman Badar.

With a perceived religious sanction for violence, the prospect of a 5,000-strong protest of Islamists and their allies suddenly becomes a whole lot more dangerous.

The Australian Federal Police appear to be doing nothing, thus sending a strong message to the community that Australia tolerates the Islamist bullying of ex-Muslims.

But it is not enough for Islamists to make it unsafe for Ayaan Hirsi Ali to tour Australia and speak: They want to destroy her reputation so that she will be de-platformed and discredited.
To do this, they are disguising intolerance as “Muslim feminism” and using it to slander Ayaan’s important intellectual contribution.

The day Ayaan was expected to fly in, a professionally produced propaganda video was posted on Facebook. The almost 3-minute video, credited to Blueprint Studios, features a variety of hijabis blaming Ayaan for “helping to create a world full of hate” that puts Muslims in danger. They accuse her of using the language of patriarchy, misogyny and white supremacy to profit from prejudice.

Anyone familiar with Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s life and writings knows that this is untrue. In fact, the Somali-born ex-Muslim champions free speech, human rights and lives under 24-hour guard for speaking out as an apostate. She founded the AHA Foundation to end honour violence and support its victims.

Melbourne restaurateur Hana Assafiri posted the anti-Ayaan video to her Facebook page as well as appearing in it. Her details also appear as the media contact on a Change.org petition opposing Ayaan’s visit. Ms. Assafiri has not visibly spoken out against the Sharia death penalty for ex-Muslims like Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

It is difficult to see how it is Muslims rather than ex-Muslims who are in danger in tolerant Australia when it is only ex-Muslims who are prevented from speaking and being heard, and when Islamist groups such as Hizb ut-Tahrir can support the killing of ex-Muslims without a protester or a police officer in sight.

But it is instructive to note how Sharia censorship is now advanced in the disguise of “Muslim feminism.”

I'll prefer offensive as in pointing out contradictions in the Qur'an.

Allah is proudly referred to as a 'great deceiver'

I warn that my opponent will always say if a website's agenda is against Islam but ignore the fact they are quoting the most holy and sacred scripture in all of Islam (the Qur'an).

Now, he is welcome to bring up Christian verses, I assert none pride God on the ability to out-deceive deceivers merely mention God is capable of perceiving it before it happens and the problem goes beyond that...

whereas Allah is much more about being feared and surrendered to

While Iblis in Islam seems to mimic Christianity's dynamic with God and Satan

If you read through this, there are several parallels and consistencies between how Shaitan work(s) and Allah works. The only difference is Allah is the correct one to fear, the correct one to surrender to and the correct one to blindly adhere to. Shaitan offer you the very same promises that Allah does, the same encouragements and ways of pulling you to your knees as you cave into them but they are the wrong to give into.

This fits in with the whole approach of Islam to other religions but that isn't much better in Christianity (though in Christianity you're encouraged to forgive and not judge them too harshly, in Islam you are told to directly fight them).

Islam is about surrender, submission and fear. Christianity is about forgiveness, repentance and love.

There seems to be a fundamental issue with Islam's idea of how to rehabilitate those led astray. This stems from the fact that Islam itself is surrender/submission to God. Muhammad impregnated a 9 year old when he felt like it, he stoned people, crowned a psychopathic conqueror known as Khalid ibn al-Walid as the 'sword of Allah' and happened to meet Walid while Walid slaughtered his own men mercilessly and met Muhammad and decided to join rather than fight, the cause of Islam since it blended well with his merciless ways.

The idea in Islam is to hurt and scare people until the fear has made them cave into Islam

You simply will not find verses genuinely enabling terrorists as I have quoted earlier in the Round and here now, in Christianity.

If you want to build a society, you are better of going with Christianity than Islam. Just look in 2022 how much the Sharia cultures are held behind both scientifically and socially due to the rigidity of Islam and way it runs on fear and censorship.

In Christianity, the god is just as likely or unlikely as Allah, except that for Allah, you can get there by being brutal, savage and impulsive as long as you can define it as being done in the Quran's name.

In the meantime, in the Bible, there is essentially nothing that encourages direct severe violence.

Where the Bible never once suggests that slaying people in God's name isn't murder and out ruled, the Qur'an explicitly suggests this and alludes to ongoing war as optimal and ideal until everyone has keeled out of sheer fear and Stockholm syndrome adherence to Islam.

I would like my opponent to explain how this fundamental clash between the Bible and Qur'an is to be addressed.

The Qur'an not changing over time isn't a point in favour of Islam, it's a sign that the Qur'an is rigid and inflexible despite all reality. The Bible hasn't had to change much at all anyway, Pro has yet to explicitly show us how the Bible severely changed in the translations even one iota more than the Qur'an has.

 even one iota more than the Qur'an has.

Both gods have a problem as they created evil and engineered it but only the Bible explains that it's always wrong to give into the temptation of it, while the Qur'an leaves open an option of giving into it if it's done in the name and furthering of Islam.

Sahih International: O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

When the hypocrites come to you, they say: "We bear witness that you are indeed the Messenger of Allah." Allah knows that you are indeed His Messenger, and Allah bears witness that the hypocrites are liars indeed. (1)They have made their oaths a screen. Thus they hinder (others) from the path of Allah. Verily, evil is what they used to do. (2) That is because they believed, and then disbelieved; therefore their hearts are sealed, so they understand not. (3) And when you look at them, their bodies please you; and when they speak, you listen to their words. They are as blocks of wood propped up. They think that every cry is against them. They are the enemies, so beware of them. May Allah curse them! How are they denying the right path (4)And when it is said to them: "Come, so that the Messenger of Allah may ask forgiveness from Allah for you," they twist their heads, and you would see them turning away their faces in pride. (5) It is equal to them whether you ask forgiveness or ask not forgiveness for them, Allah will never forgive them. Verily, Allah guides not the people who are the rebellious.(6) They are the ones who say: "Spend not on those who are with Allah's Messenger, until they desert him." And to Allah belong the treasures of the heavens and the earth, but the hypocrites comprehend not. (7) They say: "If we return to Al-Madinah, indeed the more honorable will expel therefrom the weaker." But Al-`Izzah belongs to Allah, and to His Messenger, and to the believers, but the hypocrites know not. (8)

Notice that part of the 'war verses' is to say that any Muslim who even befriends a Jew or a Christian is an enemy:

Sahih International: O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you – then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

This is a foundational chapter (meaning first few chapters that lay down the foundation of Islam) 

This explains how and why in their understanding of morality, you can basically be as immoral as you want as long as it's to push forth Islam against others but what is real Islam? What's a genuine vs a fake Muslim?

What's a genuine vs a fake Muslim?

Quora answer, sources within it, the sources are the arabic verses in the Qur'an, for clarification these are the first few verses of Chapter 63 ~ go to page 554 here if the link doesn't directly take you to the chapter.

This verse about the 'Munafiq' starts to mean that if one deems another Muslim a 'fake follower' or 'hypocrite' (munafiq means both in one), one can embody Allah's wrath and hatred towards them.

May Allah curse them!

Allah will never forgive them

If one is sinning violently and brutally in order to force others into Islam, they are both a good Muslim and yet a complete Munafiq to the verses teaching love and peace.

Either one is too aggressive and violent to be deemed a good Muslim or one is too passive and willing to adapt to progressive, anti-Islamic values like accepting homosexuality, transgenders, equal rights for women so on and so forth.

Muslim has to commit acts of war to push forth Islam

I am not here to bring in new points

 am also sure my opponent will say those are fake Muslims but... they are not.

Muhammad and Khalid ibn al-Whalid

 Iran became Sharia Iran rather than pagan Persia.

There is not a single Islamic culture or nation alive today that is not rooted in blackmailing its ancestors into converting or slaughtering those that refused.

This is also why the tribes of Christian colonists ended up much more allowed and free to retain their religion while Islamic colonists absolutely forced Islam entirely onto the populace they would colonise, generally speaking.

Islam was said to have no contradictions but it is based on a huge contradiction; blackmail feigning as tolerance, warmongering feigning as peace.

I would like to challenge Con to find me 1 contradiction in the Quran. If he successfully does so, I will leave Islam.