Islam is not a good religion
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“Your smile for your brother is a charity. Your removal of stones, thorns or bones from the paths of people is a charity. Your guidance of a person who is lost is a charity.” [3]
“We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah of which He had not sent down [any] authority. And their refuge will be the Fire, and wretched is the residence of the wrongdoers. QURAN 3.151”“Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise. QURAN 4.56”
“O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allāh guides not the wrongdoing people.”
“As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably. (Quran 60:8)”
“Fight against those who do not believe in Allāh or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allāh and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth [i.e., Islām] from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah1 willingly while they are humbled.”
“And I would like to end my argument by asking, why did the prophet marry Aisha at such a tender age?”
- Shown how Islam promotes positive values, such as:
- Bringing good and stopping evil
- Performing good deeds to others
- Donating to charity
- Shown how many Quran verses:
- Are taken out of context
- Outweighed by other positive ones
- Uncontested. Extend.
- Dropped. Extend.
- Uncontested. Extend.
“There are undoubtedly some good things in islam, but compared with other religions it is not ready to change and adapt more tolerant values (opinion)”
“A lot of unreal things can be impactful, things like Harry Potter for example or threatening people that they are going go ve skinned and roasted in hell. The point still remain that a believer of the islamic faith will see non-believers as people who are going to /should be roasted in fire.”“When a religion is telling you to perform charity but roast those (in hell) who do not believe in it is a safe to say that it is not very good.”“Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.”
“The Quran specifically states that in other situations, there is no problem with being friends of people with different faith."Source?
“I think the key part lies in "Fight against those who do not believe in Allāh"
“Jizyah was a religious tax, it was like a punishment for non-Muslims. Comparing it to tax is beyond stupid, goverment doesn't imposes tax on the basis of religion. They are not going to come to your country and [fight] until they give the jizyah.”
“The problem is that we can't consider a religion to be good if it came from a person who was sleeping with a 9 year old even if it was the norm of taht time.”
“The age of Hazrat Aisha can be easily calculated from the age of her elder sister Hazrat Asma who was 10 years older than Hazrat Aisha. Waliuddin Muhammad Abdullah Al-Khateeb al Amri Tabrizi the famous author of Mishkath, in his biography of narrators (Asma ur Rijal), writes that Hazrat Asma died in the year 73 Hijri at the age of 100, ten or twelve days after the martyrdom of her son Abdullah Ibn Zubair. It is common knowledge that the Islamic calendar starts from the year of the Hijrah or the Prophet’s migration from Mecca to Medina.Therefore, by deducting 73, the year of Hazrat Asma’s death, from 100, her age at that time, we can easily conclude that she was 27 years old during Hijra.This puts the age of Hazrat Aisha at 17 during the same period. As all biographers of the Prophet agree that he consummated his marriage with Hazrat Aisha in the year 2 Hijri it can be conclusively said that she was 19 at that time and not nine as alleged in the aforementioned hadiths.”
“I have no problem in accepting that concepts like ZAKAT are incredibly wonderful but the negatives in islam outweigh the positiveWe simply can't call a slave owner's religion good, if the followers of that religion are not even ready to accept that he was in the wrong for doing it.Certainly a religion that thinks that most of humanity is worst than Osama because they do not believe in it, can't be considered good.”
- Islam hates non-Muslims
- Islam says unbelievers will go to hell
- Islam prohibits making people of other religions your friends
- Islam says to fight against unbelievers
- Muhammed married a young girl
- Islam encourages followers to do good and stop evil
- Islam directs followers to do good deeds
- Islam directs followers to give to charity
The resolution makes this debate entirely subjective.
Pro starts off by cherry-picking verses from the Quaran to paint it in the worst possible light without providing context. Con responds to these by listing the beliefs and ethics that the Muslims practice, even refuting Pro's argument by elaborating on the context of one the verses. The specific quote about Muslims' hostility towards Christians/Jews was explained by Con as a time where Islam was the minority and they were victims of persecution by Judaism and Christianity.
In the second round, Pro destroys his entire argument by admitting it is an opinion. He makes irrelevant statements like the fact that Islam isn't real and continues to cherry-pick verses. He accuses Muhammad of marrying a child. Con refutes all of these by extending his arguments from the previous round and pointing out that most modern translations depict Aisha as being 19 years old.
Pro only pulls sources from the Quaran. Con uses sources from several websites, so this win goes to Con.
It's a tie on spelling, grammar, and conduct.
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Both Pro and Con made some good points, introduced quotes from the Quran as well as behaving in the correct manner.
Pro concedes that there are some good things about Islam but the topic is Islam is not a good religion so a bit contradictory.
Pro gives violent verses as a defence to how Islam promotes violence but fails to give context to many verses which Con mentions in the second round.
Pro also questions the marriage of Prophet Muhammed and Aisha and Con rebuttles unsuccessfully by stating she was 19. The majority of Muslim/scholars agree that Aisha was 9 years old , not 19. Con wins this point.
Pro gives no sources to his claims whereas Con does thus making him more reliable.
In my opinion, the debate was too short to be a debate as many points were not explored well enough however Con wins for me due to his rebuttle on how the verses were out of context and also gives reference to charity/zakat as a means to do good. As the title is Islam is not a good religion, and charity is good, it is questionable.
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Muslim countries are usually great. Its great to live in muslim countries. I hope everyone lives in a muslim country one day. You have Quran. You are free to pray to Allah. You are free to believe in Allah. You are free to choose islam as your religion. They have other Gods. If you believe in other God, your head wont fall off. You wont be forced into islam by threats. The Quran doesnt say that non-believers will burn eternally. Muslims have money and they give it to the poor. There are no poor people in afganistan. If you become muslim, you will be happy. If you dont become muslim, then you wont be happy. It doesnt have anything to do with your head being cut off due to that choice. Muslims wont hurt you. You should stop being a racist. Muslims wont cut off your head. Muslims dont have knifes built to cut off heads. Muslims never cut off anyone's head. Heads were cut off, but not by muslims. It was by fake muslims who claimed to be muslims, but they werent actually muslims because they didnt follow my interpretation of the Quran and I decide who is a muslim. Muslims wont cut off your head. Why do you think that? Thats racist. They have sharp knives. But they wont use them to cut off your head. Quran doesnt require sacrifice of animals to Allah, and muslims dont see you as an unfaithful animal so you should be safe. When they ask you if you are a muslim, just say yes. Its the safest for you. Muslims are peaceful. Quran doesnt say to torture unbelievers in every chapter. Just make sure you say that you are a muslim and learn muslim prayers. You must learn muslim prayers. Muslims will not kill you. Quran doesnt command cutting off hands. Muslims will give you money. They will buy you cars. They will pet you on the head. You can have gay sex with them. You can eat pigs together. Then you can howl to Allah.