Instigator / Pro
1
1485
rating
11
debates
63.64%
won
Topic
#4232

Is abortion murder from the point of conception?

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Winner
1
1

After 2 votes and with the same amount of points on both sides...

It's a tie!
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
5
Time for argument
Two days
Max argument characters
4,000
Voting period
Two months
Point system
Winner selection
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
1
1483
rating
327
debates
40.21%
won
Description

This debate will cover all stages of pregnancy but will not cover cases of rape, the removal of ectopic pregnancies, or abortions performed to save the life of the mother. It will also not cover legality. Murder will be defined here in the moral sense. The burden of proof is shared.

All arguments given MUST be at least 3,500 characters to prove that both participants are committed to the debate. Failure to adhere to this will result in a loss.

Forfeiting a round will result in a loss.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:

Topic: "Is abortion murder from the point of conception?"

Pro starts arguing that human life begins at conception, and that abortion starts being murder from that point.
Con counters this by explaining that abortion doesnt start being murder from that point, because human life doesnt start at conception. It starts before conception, so abortion starts being murder before conception.
Pro tries to counter this by saying sperm isnt human because dismembered limb isnt human.
Con counters by saying "We run into a paradoxical problem when arguing that it shouldn't be called murder before the stage of conception.
Due to this paradoxical problem, we have to draw the line where there's no conflict.
This is why we have this controversy over abortion and pro life. On the one hand , the argument is not to perform an abortion on what's called a cluster of cells. On the other side, perform one on a cluster of cells as the stage hasn't been reached to look at the cells any different."
Con continues:
"That's why the weight , the WEIGHT of murder still weighs the same. If I have a house, the house is valuable put together just as the individual parts used to put it together were as separated."
Pro does not counter this in any way, and offers no response.
Con concludes in the final round that we dont survive if contraception is used.
The topic is proved in Con's favor. It is not true that abortion is murder from the point of conception, since abortion is murder before the point of conception.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Winner
1 point(s)
Reason:

I loved the whole "Life pertains to the holistic spectrum of life" argument.

Every sperm is sacred!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

That said, con committed the not even wrong fallacy. If not storing your sperm in the refrigerator is murder, does not nullify if it's also murder when more advanced in development.

Pro would do well to not argue for the sake of argument when it doesn't support his case. Any attempts to refute con were distractions from his R1 victory.