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Topic

#4235

Is Cassie in the wrong for sleeping with Nate in euphoria

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Winner

After 1 vote and with 1 point ahead, the winner is...

Sir.Lancelot

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Publication date: 03.03.2023 03:42PM
Last updated date: 03.20.2023 09:40PM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 4
Time for argument: Two weeks
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: One week
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

Contender / Con

Sir.Lancelot

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Round 1

Abbyhope

03.03.2023 03:46PM

Pro

Nate uses Cassie's desire for male validation to his favor in order to keep their relationship going. He's also using Cassie's fear of consequences (Maddy possibly fighting her) to isolate the friends from each other and keep his and Cassie's fling a secret. On the phone, Nate tells Cassie, "If Maddy finds out, she's gonna spend the rest of her life trying to kill me. But she'll actually kill you."This treatment isn't right for someone to do to someone they were just having sex with, let alone "love."Nate sent Maddy a loving text after his and Cassie's hookup. it seems like Nate is trying to keep Maddy in his life, which doesn't line up with his desire to have a relationship with Cassie. His communication with both girls in secret allows him to be in control of the situation, as he knows how each of them feels about him and will likely be able to pit them against each other rather than him.Nate's idea of "loving" Cassie is based solely on sex. Furthermore, when Cassie isn't in a sexual position in his fantasy, she is pregnant and quiet, talking minimally around Nate and his father.

Sir.Lancelot

03.03.2023 07:36PM

Con

Cassie is a victim of a toxic relationship. What Is a Toxic Relationship? 14 Signs and What to Do (healthline.com)

It's understandable why she can't cut ties with Nathan, but it doesn't make her less accountable.

Considering Nate is in a relationship with Cassie's friend, this is a violation of her friend's trust and is the deepest level of betrayal. Nate's manipulation of her may make her actions understandable, but someone having an affair with their best friend's boyfriend is wrong. This is exactly what Cassie has done.

Round 2

Abbyhope

03.03.2023 09:44PM

Pro

When Cassie and Nate get into a fight about Maddy,She says that she wants to end their “Relationship” when she figures out that him and Maddy are getting back together and he says that she is a horrible person for sleeping with him and says that she’s afraid he’s still in love with Maddy and completely ruins her self esteem so she becomes dependent on him. She even states in an argument with Nate "If I knew you were gonna get back together I never would have done this,Shes my best friend" not to mention the fact that they had been broken up for 3 weeks and 3 days.

Sir.Lancelot

03.04.2023 04:14PM

Con

Cassie understands logically that what she was doing is wrong. Even though Maddy and Nate were broken up, she knew Nate was off-limits.

Never once did she attempt to ask Maddy if she was okay with it. But when confronted about it by Rue, she lies and tries to deny.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xPjIJoE8MX0

Round 3

Abbyhope

03.05.2023 08:12PM

Pro

Cassie is seen as insecure and constantly seeking male validation. Her friends and family constantly say how Cassie has never been single and its because at a young age her dad got addicted to opioids and would take advantage of her kind heart to get back in the house after he was kicked out so he could steal stuff,Later on he eventually cut all contact and as Cassie got older and her body developed more and more men would sexualize her especially family members so to fill the hole from trauma and abandonment she is always seen with a man because she never wants to be left again.

Sir.Lancelot

03.08.2023 01:57AM

Con

A tragic sob story makes Cassie’s actions understandable, but not justifiable. She witnessed the abuse her friend Maddy dealt with.

So her sneaking around and then blackmailing Nate was a huge mistake.

Round 4

Abbyhope

03.08.2023 02:32AM

Pro

While she never first hand witnessed the abuse she did however see the toxicity and hear about the abuse from Maddy. And when Nate perused Cassie she was clearly Intoxicated and he continued to get her even more drunk and drive fast with the windows down so that the wind would blow her dress up,Therefore she more than likely felt forced into the whole situation and bye the time she sobered up and realized what she had done he continued to manipulate her into the relationship by saying Maddy will kill her.

Sir.Lancelot

03.13.2023 09:24PM

Con

So here we have what resulted from Cassie and Nate.:

1. Betrayal of a friend.

2. Blackmail.

3. Jealousy.

Melcharaz

03.20.2023 09:40PM

according to God's word, fornication is a sin, so is lying, causing confusion, hatred against a person (the person, not their actions or thoughts) pride, deception, etc.

there was no love involved in the situation described, only emotions and evil.

if this is a movie or book, its evil and propogates evil. if its a real life situation, everyone involved needs to repent and come to God.

Barney

03.16.2023 08:07AM

Feels like both weee arguing the same thing…

Intelligence_06

03.04.2023 10:41AM

Subjective morality. You guys figure out the rest.

Bella3sp

03.04.2023 02:50AM

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@Athias

Guess I expected that. We're all are entitled to our own opinions.

Athias

03.03.2023 10:28PM

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@Bella3sp

Both.

Bella3sp

03.03.2023 09:46PM

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@Athias

Is it the homosexuality.. or the explict scenes?

Athias

03.03.2023 09:25PM

Outside of the explicit homosexual imagery, I'm actually quite fond of this show. I'll try to follow along as this debate continues. It would've been preferable if some descriptions and stipulations were provided, but since this debate was instigated by a first-timer, I can give just a little leeway.

Barney

03.20.2023 06:44PM

Criterion

Pro

Tie

Con

Points

Winner

1 point(s)

Reason:

This is an odd one, in that pro seemed to be arguing against the resolution and con for it… still they adapted, and pushed through. She’s mostly a victim yet chooses to harm her friend with continuing. It’s relatable but still clearly wrong and she seems to know it (at least based on the description in this debate, I don’t watch the show)