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Topic
#4418

Rape is not a good excuse for abortion.

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Finished

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After 6 votes and with 6 points ahead, the winner is...

Bella3sp
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Number of rounds
2
Time for argument
One week
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10,000
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One week
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1524
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Description

Con will argue that Rape is a good enough reason or excuse for abortion to be legal. Note: this is not a debate on whether abortion should be legal or not, this is a debate on whether the argument that brings up rape is good enough to uphold the argument that abortion should be legal.

Round 1
Pro
#1
At the very opposite end of the spectrum, only 1% of all women had an abortion because it was a result of rape, and 0.5% of women had an abortion because it was the result of an incestuous relationship.

I believe Rape is not a good enough excuse for pro-choice, as it makes up a very small percentage of abortions, and it does not make the other percentages good. I believe, and this may be an indirect quote from Ben Shapiro himself, that rapists should be castrated and/or killed, but babies do not need to be killed.
I believe that just because the baby is the baby of a rapist, does not mean we get to excuse this baby and wipe it off as nothing. It is a human organism and deserves life.
This is my case.

Con
#2
Thanks Hs400, I finally get to debate something I have a strong opinion on. There's so much to say with only two rounds and ten thousand characters.. 
Let's have fun with this.

My position is simple: Rape is a good excuse (reason) for abortion.

Opening:
Rape is something that is forced, without consent into unwanted sexual actions. In this debate we are talking about rape leading into unwanted pregnancy, as of which because it is forced, is something that is controversially a good reason to have an abortion. As my position supports, I will be using four different contentions to reinforce my position, as said, rape is a good excuse (reason) for abortion.

Contentions

I. Conditions & Funds

Career/Life Long Goal Interference
Have you ever heard the saying, "you ruined my life when you were born" or something along those lines by your parents? This is the perfect example of disrupting someones life completely. Imagine taking away a goal of someones they have been working on for quite some time because you want to force them into delivering and taking care of them for the years ahead.

Money or Unemployed
Sometimes the parent(s) just don't have enough funds. Not enough money for themselves let alone enough money to financially support a child. 

Consider that the basic needs of a baby include but are not limited to: 
  • Clothing
  • Nutrient & Feeding Supplies 
  • Diapers 
  • Bedding 
All of this was to say, what if the family is struggling to even feed themselves, take care of themselves? Now you want them to take care of another that is even more additional costs. 

Single Parent
There are many different challenges that single parents go through that differ with married parents, or just parents in a relationship. Based on a somewhat similar experience there is an emotional and physical challenge. Whether that be sharing an experience with an actual partner, lack of financial support, not being able to provide, etc. 

Single parents have difficulties in general of managing their responsibilities being the only parent in the household. 

Home conditions 
Conditions in one's home differ from each house. As of which can be: 
  • Abusive environment 
  • Dangerous/Harmful environment such as a smokey one. 
Some just don't want a child to be brought into a harmful starting point in their lives. 

II. Young Age or Student

Maturity
Are we forgetting the young children, who would be forced to proceed with a baby? They aren't even mature themselves but you want them to bear a child? Children from many different ages, usually between the ages of eight and seventeen can get pregnant. So, going based on the low number of eight years old, are they really mature enough to handle taking care of a baby? If children have trouble being mature enough to handle their chores correctly, then how does a child take care of a baby? They are a child themselves. 

Let me also confirm the age of maturity: 
"The development and maturation of the prefrontal cortex occurs primarily during adolescence and is fully accomplished at the age of 25 years."


Education
Now you are reckoning with a child's education, huh? So, now the child not only has been forced to take care of a child but their education is taken away. First off, they have to take many absences at a time for taking care of such a child.

By taken away I mean taking away for an extended time. Usually you will have to take care of the child until they are able to go off to school themselves or if you are able to find a babysitter. However, a babysitter these days is actually both expensive and worrying. I could understand if you would not want to leave your child with some stranger(s). Usually, in the United States you are eligible to go to Kindergarten at the age of five.

Do you think that's it? Nope. If in the case they were eleven years old they would most likely be in Middle School. If they were, there would be a schedule difference. 

Meaning there's one or two things that could happen:
  • They get out of school early to pick up their child
  • Don't go to school in general to pick up their child
I assume it would be the first option, but either way parts of their education go missing. 

III. Slave
This seems like woman are being treated as slaves, hm? 

What is a slave? Define slave:
1
a person held in forced servitude

2
a person who is completely subservient to a dominating influence

So, if someone is forced to give birth, is this someone who is a person who is completely subservient to a dominating influence? 

Can pro deny this? They cannot. Maybe they can, but we'll see.. 
Being forced to carry and deliver a child under dominating (intense) influence that they have no choice or say in they are completely submissive to it. Otherwise, use the other definition which supports the same thing.

The question is, why did I mention something that doesn't really revolve around my resolution?
According to pro: "this is a debate on whether the argument that brings up rape is good enough to uphold the argument that abortion should be legal."

That is correct, that is what this debate is about. This contention was to disprove any and all of the pros arguments without it being something that I had to use for my position. If it is slavery, there is no good reason for there not to be a good reason for abortion that revolves around rape. 

Anything you say that is on the opposing side would be supporting slavery!!

IV. Forced pregnancy effects

Mental Health

Honestly, this sums it all up very quickly: 
“a higher state of stress and are more likely to have pregnancy-related complications. Stress can impact virtually every aspect of mental and physical health, and can negatively affect fetal development and the health of the child throughout their life.”

Then you have people who are pregnant unwillingly and, if unable to get an abortion, have a continual stressful trigger that they are being forced to do something potentially dangerous. 

A forced pregnancy is incredibly distressing. “We experience events as traumatic when we are not able to escape them or are not able to exercise choice about what happens to our bodies and when and why,” says Netherton. She explains that people who cannot terminate their pregnancy may have a higher chance of postpartum mental health issues."


Rebuttals: 
At the very opposite end of the spectrum, only 1% of all women had an abortion because it was a result of rape, and 0.5% of women had an abortion because it was the result of an incestuous relationship.

I believe Rape is not a good enough excuse for pro-choice, as it makes up a very small percentage of abortions, and it does not make the other percentages good.
Alright, this is irreverent. It doesn't matter how much the percentage of abortions are because of rape. It has nothing to do with whether it's a good reason or not.
It's still something that occurs which is low or high. 

I believe that just because the baby is the baby of a rapist, does not mean we get to excuse this baby and wipe it off as nothing. It is a human organism and deserves life.
Now you're just restating the resolution by saying "Babies shouldn't die because of rape" which is also mostly, "Rape is not a good reason for abortions".

Overall, what has pro proved here?
  • Nothing
Sources:

If you don't want this to be a reason at all for abortion, teach your sons.


Round 2
Pro
#3
Forfeited
Con
#4
Let’s take a look at your profile description: 
“I am always right. Because I believe I am always right and since I am always right then that opinion is correct and unflawed. There is no flaw to my opinion. Prove to me I am wrong about me being right about me being always right. GG”

A look at this debates short description:
“I believe this is such a flaccid argument that can be easily rebutted by using pure simple logic.”

Yeah, so, about that… Alright well, extend.