Instigator / Pro
21
1510
rating
64
debates
53.91%
won
Topic
#4685

Rap randomness battle

Status
Finished

The debate is finished. The distribution of the voting points and the winner are presented below.

Winner & statistics
Better arguments
9
6
Better sources
6
4
Better legibility
3
2
Better conduct
3
3

After 5 votes and with 6 points ahead, the winner is...

FishChaser
Tags
Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Rated
Number of rounds
3
Time for argument
Three days
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
Two weeks
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Minimal rating
None
Contender / Con
15
1702
rating
567
debates
68.17%
won
Description

No information

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

rational mcmahon doesn’t do a good job. he doesn’t have intricate vocabulary and writes like he’s talking instead of rapping. he was also difficult to understand so i had to go back and read a few times and that just did not work for me.

but fishrider uses complex rhyme scheme and dinosaur puns that hit hard. he is using lyricism that combines big vocab with poetry. so he wins

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

In my personal opinion, Pro's vocab, rhyming, and flow were the strongest in the Round 1 but stayed consistent throughout the entire battle. The context is pretty straightforward and while the wordplay isn't super-sophisticated, it is easy to understand.

Con's catchy use of the beat puts him off to a good start and I definitely approve of the way he chooses his words, especially the references to Obi-Wan Kenobi. The metaphors and wordplay may seem unnecessarily convoluted to first-time listeners but this is because of the sophistication of the style that is hard to comprehend to the untrained ear. It takes years of attuning to develop this sense.

That said, while I personally believe Con was slightly superior in some areas. I do prefer Pro's rapping style and ability because the tune sounds better to me.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Unfortunately, the description doesn't specify how to allocate points, but it looks like we're giving 7 points to the winner.

Both sides are sufficiently random, in my opinion, but Con was able to convey more meaning despite having shorter verses. In the first round, Pro rhymes a lot of unrelated words (which I suppose fits the resolution), but these don't translate into disses against Con. A lot of them seem like threats, which don't carry as much weight as calculated insults. Con is able to build on previous insults to paint a clearer picture ("why 5 inches only?", etc.) In the second round, Pro uses a lot of slant rhymes and a number of lines where even that kind of rhyme is questionable ("fit you"/"yet you"). Con is again able to paint a clearer picture with complex double meanings, with a complex multisyllabic rhyme scheme near the end. Pro again gives a lot of threats, and the quantity does hold some weight, but Con is able to respond with more vivid threats and again paint a clearer picture.

Both Pro and Con are random in the kinds of subjects they bring up, but Con is more coherent. So that's where my vote lands.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

I could be petty and pick FishChaser as winner for the rap battle since RM voted for him as winner in our rap battle that I clearly won but it's all good I won't be petty. RM clearly won just like I clearly won against FishChaser. Good rap battle.

Criterion
Pro
Tie
Con
Points
Better arguments
3 point(s)
Better sources
2 point(s)
Better legibility
1 point(s)
Better conduct
1 point(s)
Reason:

Stronger Wordplay: FishChaser
Stronger Metaphors: FishChaser
Stronger Puns: FishChaser

FishChaser was dropping bomb after bomb, so he takes this in my opinion. Rational did have good flow but that isn’t enough to turn the balance in his favor.

Message me if either of you have any questions!