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same1234

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#6197

God exists

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Publication date: 05.25.2025 02:23AM
Last updated date: 05.29.2025 06:34AM
Type: Standard
Number of rounds: 3
Time for argument: Three days
Max argument characters: 10,000
Voting period: Two weeks
Point system: Winner selection
Voting system: Open

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FishChaser

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Round 1

same1234

05.25.2025 02:29AM

Pro

well i reckon a god does exist, but i also kinda wanna see points against it im kinda curious. anyway here are my points, youve probably heard them many times before:

1. creation - what was before the big bang - the classic something cant come from nothing. needs to be something outside of our three dimensions to create it

2. morals

ill leave it at that for now.

FishChaser

05.25.2025 02:50AM

Con

1: the singularity that is said to have started the big bang has all the properties that God is said to need to be the "first cause". It is beyond time and space, it isn't strictly or necessarily physical because it operates outside the known laws of physics. Singularities are mathematically equivalent to God, they contain infinities and have properties that exist in "loops" that allow contradictions to exist that break logic.

2: Morality is actually a tough one, I do admit that reality seems so inherently cruel and brutal that it seems like it was deliberately designed to be as shitty as possible by an evil being.

Round 2

same1234

05.25.2025 03:32AM

Pro

1. oh ok, well whos to say that the singularity isnt God. who later on comes and reveals himself through man - Jesus.

ive never actually heard of that singularity being outside of our 3 dimensions. can you explain to me how that singularity is outside of our 3 dimensions and what evidence that we know it is. because how are we meant to measure something outside of our 3 dimensions using tools inside of the 3 dimensions if that makes sense. and if there somehow is evidence that its outside of our 3 dimensions, then what evidence suggests that its not god?

2. well i guess that comes down to personal experiences or how you view life. also the reason there is evil in our world isnt because god created evil delibrately to make our lives hell (thats what hell is for), God cant create evil, he only turns evil into good. - Evil is the absence of good - it isnt a created thing. now the reason god allows evil is a few reasons -

A) free will - you cant have true free will without also letting people do evil - Adam had the free will of eating that apple. it would be a really sad world if god controlled adam to not eat that apple if you get what i mean.

B) love - this also ties with free will too i guess but imagine if you had a dream parter who was programmed to love you no matter how bad you look. there would be no point because they never chose to love you they were forced and i guess "programmed" that way.

C) Gods Glory - its showing his glory through the evil. u cant appreciate the good without the bad. - if there is no bad there is no good. - if there is no villan in a movie there would be no "good guy" or "hero" so it wouldnt really be a superhero movie. because you dont know that hes a good guy because theres nothing to base it off if you get what i mean.

D) if he cuts off every evil source in the universe we would all be gone. cos we are sources of evil.

*also seperate point: all the things that science cant really explain too well (Emotions, Consiensness, love) are things that come from god because it says that we were made in his image. a no matter how many atoms u put together they wont become conciouss.*

- Science is only good at explaining the Hows and not really the whys

I hope all that mumbo jumbo made sense to you. thank you for reading all that

FishChaser

05.25.2025 07:22PM

Con

I got that ice on wrist, what?