Resolved: The modal ontological argument is sound
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INTRO
The modal ontological argument is an intriguing argument for the existence of God. Originally attributed to St. Anselm of Canterbury, Alvin Plantinga turned this argument into a modal argument for God's existence.
1. It is possible that a maximally great being exists.
2. If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great being exists in some possible world.
3. If a maximally great being exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.
4. If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world.
5. If a maximally great being exists in the actual world, then a maximally great being exists.
6. Therefore, a maximally great being exists.
=== Definitions ==
Ontological argument: See above
Sound: An argument is sound if and only if it is valid and all its premises are true. If an argument is sound, then the conclusion follows
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- A contingent entity - an entity that could exist in some worlds, but does not have to exist others. Examples of this are humans as there is nothing about us that says we must exist (and indeed, until about 300,000 years ago humans did not exist).
- A necessary entity - An entity that must exist in all possible worlds and cannot fail to exist.
- An impossible entity - An entity that cannot exist in any possible world due to the nature of their properties being incompatible. Examples of this are a square circle, married bachelor, and an invisible pink unicorn.
- The actual world - The world we live in.
- A possible world - A world that could have been but did not actualize (i.e. it is possible to live in a world in which the COVID-19 crisis never occured).
- An impossible world - A world in which could never actualize due to incompatibilities within it's properties (i.e. a world in which married bachelors exist).
“When you look at these parodies of the argument they turn out to involve things that are logically incoherent. For example, there is no such thing as the greatest possible island. You could always have more palm trees and more dancing girls on the island. And besides what makes an island great is person relative. Do you prefer an island that is a desert island remote from civilization? Or do you prefer an island that is packed with the finest resort hotels? It’s person relative. So there isn’t any such things as objective great-making properties of islands”
The Holy One, blessed be He, does not know with a knowledge that is external from Him as do men, whose knowledge and selves are two [different entities]. Rather, He, may His name be praised, and His knowledge are one.Accordingly, we do not have the potential to conceive how The Holy One, blessed be He, knows all the creations and their deeds. However, this is known without any doubt: That man's actions are in his [own] hands and The Holy One, blessed be He, does not lead him [in a particular direction] or decree that he do anything.This matter is known, not only as a tradition of faith, but also, through clear proofs from the words of wisdom.Consequently, the prophets taught that a person is judged for his deeds, according to his deeds - whether good or bad. This is a fundamental principle on which is dependent all the words of prophecy.
When we state that it is possible for a maximally great being to exist, we are saying that there is a hypothetical world that exists in which there is a maximally great being.
Con might argue that the possibility of an MGB is not self-evidence and requires proof; however, in modal logic, something is considered possible when their properties do not contradict each other.
This premise follows directly from the definition of possibility in modal logic. If something is possible, there exists at least one possible world in which it is true. Thus, if a maximally great being is possible then it exists in at least one possible world. This step is uncontroversial, as it reflects the standard interpretation of modal possibility.
P3 is a statement of axiom S5 modal logic: S5: If possibly necessarily P, then necessarily P.
Premise 4 follows logically: if an MGB exists in every possible world, it must exist in the actual world, as the actual world is one of the possible worlds including our own.
The stone paradox is an argument that challenges the possibility of omnipotence. The argument states "Can God create a stone to heavy that even he cannot lift it?". This objection unfortunately fails because it misrepresents what we mean by omnipotence. Omnipotence means having the maximum power to actualize any logically possible state of affairs. Not being able to do the impossible is not a limitation on omnipotence nor is it a limitation on God.
Some have attempted to parody this argument by pointing to the possibility of a maximally great island. The attempts to parody this argument typically fail for one of two reasons: 1) the entity is impossible and cannot exist in any possible worlds; and 2) it lacks the definition of necessary. Dr. Craig notes [5]:“When you look at these parodies of the argument they turn out to involve things that are logically incoherent. For example, there is no such thing as the greatest possible island. You could always have more palm trees and more dancing girls on the island. And besides what makes an island great is person relative. Do you prefer an island that is a desert island remote from civilization? Or do you prefer an island that is packed with the finest resort hotels? It’s person relative. So there isn’t any such things as objective great-making properties of islands”
Con's fatal flaw is that they misunderstand possible worlds and treats them as an imaginative scenario or mental constructs.
Rather, these are rigorous philosophical models about a potential state of affairs.
There exists a logical state where a MGB (a being that is omnipotent, omnipresent, morally perfect, and necessary being) exists.
The key of 5S modal logic is that if this being is logically coherent then it must exist in every possible state of affairs, including our own.
Let’s draw an analogy: possible worlds are like valid sequences in chess. Imagine we were playing a game and I could play checkmate on the next move and win the game. This is a 'possible' world because it is a logically consistent and follows the rules of chess. In the game are two possible scenarios for my next move: 1) I find the move and win the game; or 2) I don't find the move and the game continues (I could later win the game in a different manner or even lose the game because of that single critical flaw).
Similarly, a possible world n modal logic is this type of analysis. What types of worlds are logically coherent and could materialize given the rules of modal logic. If an MGB is logically coherent, then like the chess game there is only one possible scenario: The MGB materializes and is real in the actual world.
I want to clarify this premise as my opponent badly misunderstands modal logic. We did not establish that God exists in a world of thought, rather what we established is that a MGB is a logically coherent entity, meaning that there are no internal contradictions within this concept, and that could exist in a potential state of affairs.
In our game it is possible that I can checkmate you on the next move. This means that there is at least one valid sequence of moves, consistent with the rules of the game, where checkmate happens. In modal logic this is what is called a possible world - a logically coherent scenario.
Now on the flip side there also exists a scenario where I do not find the move and the game continues. In both scenarios I'm not talking about imaginary chess positions or caricatures, I am talking about a logically valid state of the game based on the rules of chess. In neither scenario do we need an infinite universe nor do we need an infinite number of monkeys typing on keyboards!
Islands and cigarette packs are both contingent entities and thus cannot be necessary and cannot be maximally great. Craig does not apply two different standards, rather he shows why applying concepts of maximal greatness to contingent entities are invalid. This argument fails because P1 is false. An MGI is in incoherent entity. Unlike a MGB, an MGI or a maximally great cigarette pack is logically incoherent.
The MOA does not assume God's existence, but deduces it from the possibility of an MGB. My opponent has already conceded that it is possible.
No because I don't think any voters or even David are going to interpret the rules in the way you're suggesting.
Combine that with the description.
Does Rule 6 become an issue?
Okay, but saying "Resolved: The modal ontological argument is sound" isn't the same as saying the Pro side is true, it's just setting up a topic. Similar to "This house believes that..."
For The Ontological Argument to be sound, the following must be assumed:
1. It is possible that a maximally great being exists.
2. If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great being exists in some possible world.
3. If a maximally great being exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.
4. If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world.
5. If a maximally great being exists in the actual world, then a maximally great being exists.
See the issue?
The assumption in the resolution is that Pro defends the ontological argument and Con attacks it, not that they both agree to it.
Also rule 6 says no challenging assumptions in the resolution but doesn't mention the description.
Resolution/Topic: The modal ontological argument is sound
Rule 6: No "kritiks" of the topic (challenging assumptions in the resolution)
The description just defines what the argument is, accepting the debate doesn't mean accepting the argument as sound. The rules are pretty clear about that.
But it is in the debate description
"Con has to Kritik to win btw."
Why? Con is allowed to challenge the premises of the argument.
I recommend you to establish with Pro what counts as a Rule 6 violation before either posts a Round 1. That way if you disagree, it saves Pro wasting effort and this is unrated anyway so Pro is not feasibly robbed of a free win that would count towards Rating.
Con has to Kritik to win btw. Rule 6 is unfair.