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Topic
#6223

Resolved: The modal ontological argument is sound

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Parameters
Publication date
Last updated date
Type
Standard
Number of rounds
4
Time for argument
One week
Max argument characters
10,000
Voting period
One month
Point system
Multiple criterions
Voting system
Open
Contender / Con
1579
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34
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Description

INTRO

The modal ontological argument is an intriguing argument for the existence of God. Originally attributed to St. Anselm of Canterbury, Alvin Plantinga turned this argument into a modal argument for God's existence.

1. It is possible that a maximally great being exists.
2. If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great being exists in some possible world.
3. If a maximally great being exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.
4. If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world.
5. If a maximally great being exists in the actual world, then a maximally great being exists.
6. Therefore, a maximally great being exists.

=== Definitions ==

Ontological argument: See above

Sound: An argument is sound if and only if it is valid and all its premises are true. If an argument is sound, then the conclusion follows

-- STRUCTURE --

1. Opening
2. Rebuttals
3. Rebuttals
4. Rebuttals/Close

Rules

1. No forfeits
2. Citations must be provided in the text of the debate
3. No new arguments in the final speeches
4. Observe good sportsmanship and maintain a civil and decorous atmosphere
5. No trolling
6. No "kritiks" of the topic (challenging assumptions in the resolution)
7. For all resolutional terms, individuals should use commonplace understandings that fit within the logical context of the resolution and this debate
8. The BOP is on Pro; Con's BOP lies in proving Pro wrong. Con may make original arguments if he wants to.
9. Rebuttals of new points raised in an adversary's immediately preceding speech may be permissible at the judges' discretion even in the final round (debaters may debate their appropriateness)
11. Violation of any of these rules merits a loss.

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@AdaptableRatman

No because I don't think any voters or even David are going to interpret the rules in the way you're suggesting.

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@Savant

Combine that with the description.

Does Rule 6 become an issue?

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@AdaptableRatman

Okay, but saying "Resolved: The modal ontological argument is sound" isn't the same as saying the Pro side is true, it's just setting up a topic. Similar to "This house believes that..."

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@Savant

For The Ontological Argument to be sound, the following must be assumed:

1. It is possible that a maximally great being exists.
2. If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great being exists in some possible world.
3. If a maximally great being exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.
4. If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world.
5. If a maximally great being exists in the actual world, then a maximally great being exists.

See the issue?

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@AdaptableRatman

The assumption in the resolution is that Pro defends the ontological argument and Con attacks it, not that they both agree to it.

Also rule 6 says no challenging assumptions in the resolution but doesn't mention the description.

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@Savant

Resolution/Topic: The modal ontological argument is sound

Rule 6: No "kritiks" of the topic (challenging assumptions in the resolution)

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@AdaptableRatman

The description just defines what the argument is, accepting the debate doesn't mean accepting the argument as sound. The rules are pretty clear about that.

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@Savant

But it is in the debate description

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@AdaptableRatman

"Con has to Kritik to win btw."

Why? Con is allowed to challenge the premises of the argument.

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@Moozer325

I recommend you to establish with Pro what counts as a Rule 6 violation before either posts a Round 1. That way if you disagree, it saves Pro wasting effort and this is unrated anyway so Pro is not feasibly robbed of a free win that would count towards Rating.

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@David

Con has to Kritik to win btw. Rule 6 is unfair.