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@WyIted
There is a lot to breakdown there.
I did say to you above it would take pages to explain this story.
I have no time now, it is my day out and wouldn't miss it for rain, heat, sleet or snow.
Have a nice day yourself, Wylted.
So if we are to take this story as an actual literal event, then Jesus, son of god, miracle worker and general know-it - all, who is also believed to be god, got it totally wrong didn't he, Wylted?I am just looking for the intent of the story. Is it intended to be literal or not and if it is supposed to be figurative wouldn't it have more colorful tone?
If they say he got it wrong either they are bad writers or they are honest writers and just aren't realizing this disqualifies Jesus as being omniscient.
Unless of course, it is as I have explained: that is was a ritualistic "raising" from the dead. And the disciples wished to "die" with him so they might be "raised" too.I am just asking you why it doesn't just come out and say it is a ritualistic raising from the dead.
I don't doubt we can pull some sort of allegory from the story.
it is merely Jesus trying to show off his magical powers to prove he is God.
The biggest takeaway I would like you to help me here with is, maybe answering why an allegory wouldn't be more clearly an allegory or stated to be such?
Since I have warned the (ex) site president and he decided to proceed to mock me and derail the thread, I ask you is there not a rule being violated here?He is completely derailing the thread continuously
Well if you believe the story of Lazarus then Jesus got just about everything wrong, didn't he? First we are told that he was only "sick" and we are told by Jesus that Lazarus wouldn't "die" yet in the next breath Jesus informs those with him that Lazarus is "dead".
You have to understand the time and the actual situation Jesus and his followers were in. They were all eventually wanted by the Roman authorities. This is why Jesus (although he denies it) did many thing in secret. How often can we read of Jesus telling someone not to mention what he had said or done. And do not all sects, secret societies and occults use language that is only understood by those "with ears"?.
Well, as I have already pointed out to you, if Jesus had "magical powers" then he failed miserably in predicting that Lazarus wouldn't "die". Indeed, his entire mission failed, didn't it?
And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead”. <<<<< that should spell it out for you.
And another of his disciples said unto him, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father. But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead”. <<<<< that should spell it out for you.Isn't this no different than me telling somebody they are dead to me and then mentioning my dad died.
If I am wrong , and we have to take this all literal, then simply ask yourself, how can someone that is physically dead and rotting bury anyone
Have you ever heard of the popular phrases 1. I am dead inside2. You are dead to me.
If you say let the dead bury the dead than you would me let the spiritually dead bury the physically dead.
We might just have to end this here.