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@Mharman
Yes and no. Scum still doesn’t like to burn all their questions early before they’ve gotten other townies to claim.
What questions?

The pressure can work- I learned that two games ago. I got lucky some people trusted me enough not to push for my full claim back there.
Yes it can, but not meaningless pressure.

I think the current format incentivizes getting a few other townies to claim first. Not too different from a normal game tbh, but you can getting away with planning to full claim in the middle of the pack, instead of at the end in this format I think.

I think there’s a bigger question to ask here. I’ll leave that up to your interpretation. Curious what you’ll think.
No clue
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@Mikal
Happy savant engaged. I’ll post a read list once I get to a spot where I can take some time and do it. Going out to eat. But yeah once it starts crawling, all you can really do is sit around and hold your dick while people get on.  I will say ideally lack of activity is usually what makes scum win. So if we have people that are just not engaging, we will need a solution for them. Some of the worst players win games by choosing to post fluff or nothing at all 
You’re telling me lol. Literally compare the games I play vs ones I host. The post differential is crazy. Anyways, there are a couple of people in the lobby who are pretty hard for me to read in general: Austin, Wylted, Whiteflame, are the top 3. All 3 are pretty good scum players, but Austin is probably the best out of them.


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@whiteflame
I put a post about this. It was more of a reaction test to see how you would respond. You are either genuinely frustrated (which makes me lean town) or feigning frustration and throw out something to get me to srop (scum). Have not landed on which I think yet. I’m still mostly null on you. 

ATM I think I’m okay with lynching earth if we don’t land on a better target. 

Unvote VTl earth 

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@Mikal
Pie - Pie is engaging and following his normal meta. I don’t think he has posted fluff or tried to detract with theme analysis or other vague concepts. Usually scum pie will lead the town on a goose chase and the fact he isn’t taking us in a single direction and just giving thoughts that are game related make me think he is town 
My theme split unironically won us last game lol. Theres a place for theme, but it’s more useful when we have a couple of flips from town and scum. This early in the game, it prob means nothing.

Wylted - I don’t think wylted as scum just outright keeps antagonizing me. Both this game and last he’s just been a passive aggressive little shit and I feel like as scum it doesn’t make sense to draw attention like that 
I think this behavior is null. Wylted isn’t afraid of anymore. However, the key to him is forcing him to constantly keep talking. He’s one of those people that loves to yap and when he’s yapping, accidentally mentions something.

Savant - tbf this is just a guy read and I skimmed the shit about probability. I never buy into probability in mafia just because of to man varying factors. You have the basic odds and determined by scum to town ratio and that’s it. You can’t control how people act. The post in general seems like geninue scum hunting and analyzing why people are saying and posting things. Could be feigned and don’t know him at all to know how meta but it reads in good faith 
Ya he’s our probability guru. I agree that it’s practically useless this early in the game. His post analysis though is good. Hasn’t ever done it before, so I presume he picked it up from the championship game. He’s definitely a smart player, but this much effort, I don’t think he would put as scum.

Lean scum 

Earth - one post, was here no initial rv and no value. Could be flying under the radar
Classic Earth meta, which is why I’m going to force him to post reads every other post.

Cassie - same 
That’s Wylted’s alter ego

(Tbf these are weak reads but when people participate and not move the game forward, my head goes to coasting) 


Stronger Scum 

Banana - the post wanting to immediately soft claim a year and being willing to do that with 0 pressure just sits wrong with me. I do think it’s moving the game toward but something about those posts make me think it’s not genuine and was fishing for town card 

I think it’s null. You’re right that people often get towncred for doing this. Whiteflame won on it a few games ago.

Null

Mharm - ima be real. I always have issues reading him. He did pressure vote but he bounces around everywhere and does not stay consistent with this reads and does this regardless of scum or town. I always have issues getting a read on him. Want to see more. 
I agree with this.

WF - I don’t know if I can call him Scum yet. It’s mostly null with a potential scum lean. He deflected the pressure and offered up a soft claim. Likely to appease me. But why? Appease me to get me off his back so I don’t catch him again or appease me because he’s actually frustrated he thinks I will make a meta out of chasing him. It’s hard to tell. He played it off as genuine frustration which is my only hesitancy with saying I lean full scum but he’s also experienced enough to play that angle off.

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@Casey_Risk
You think so? Personally, I'm in favor of the town almost always trying to lynch someone except possibly at MYLO. (I didn't use to feel that way, but I've come to accept it as the best strategy overall.)
Wait I didn’t even see this post from Mikal. It’s frankly scummy
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Hmm, I don't like this post from Pie. Has he ever stated anything against the idea of pressuring players in general? I also don't agree with Savant that this is a townslip at all, it doesn't read as uninformed of the amount of fakeclaims scum have been given -- note the singular nouns 'character' and 'role claim'.
I’m disagreeing with the pressure for the sake of pressure, not calculated pressure
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Really? You want me to post my reads practically every time I post?

My show is after 2000.
Yes, every other time you show up, I expect reads
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Really? You want me to post my reads practically every time I post?

My show is after 2000.
Yes, every other time you show up, I expect reads
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What do you make of Mikal claiming he was doing a reaction test? I have never played with him before and barely even skimmed any of the last game, so I don't really know anything about his playstyle and whether or not he'd do something like that.
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Official Vote Count:

Earth- 1/6- Mikal
Austin- 2/6- Whiteflame, savant
Moozer- 2/6- Mharman, Wylted 


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@Casey_Risk
Here's a game where Mikal played as town and a game where Mikal played as scum:
Playing as Town: JFdp1, Riddledp1, Riddledp2
Playing as Scum: Ozarkdp1, Ozarkdp2, Ozarkdp3

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Actually 2 games where he played as town, but you get the idea.
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Heads up first trivia question will be posted in 3 hours, or at 8pm est.
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Heads up first trivia question will be posted in 3 hours, or at 8pm est.
I'm guessing we can't look up the answer?
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1. Whiteflame - Pre 2000
2. Mharman - ???
3. Mikal - ???
4. Austin - ???
5. iLikePie5 - Pre 2000
6. Moozer - ???
7. Banana - Post 2000
8. Casey_Risk - Post 2000
9. Earth - Post 2000
10. Savant - Post 2000
11. Wylted - Pre 2000

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@Casey_Risk
What do you make of Mikal claiming he was doing a reaction test? I have never played with him before and barely even skimmed any of the last game, so I don't really know anything about his playstyle and whether or not he'd do something like that.
I buy it. I don’t recall if he’s done it before, but I would probably describe his playstyle like Wylted’s but far more focused and calculated.
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Wait what post and what’s scummy. You mean not lynching on numbers?  It’s actual math and this has always been a strong meta for at least a decade 


Lynching on odd numbers gives you an extra Lynch

Where as passing on even allows you a night if info before you munch. 

Assuming no other killing roles exist which you never know. But that’s always been a meta 
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Is there a reason why yall have not stated if you’re pre or post 2000?
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I did above 
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@Savant
I'm guessing we can't look up the answer?

You can try but I have kind of planned it so it won’t be so simple as you can just google search it. I think, idk maybe some of you are search engine experts.
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Wait what post and what’s scummy. You mean not lynching on numbers?  It’s actual math and this has always been a strong meta for at least a decade 
I thought you said we shouldn’t be lynching today based on Casey’s post. But I went back to look at what you said, and it lacked context.

Lynching on odd numbers gives you an extra Lynch

Where as passing on even allows you a night if info before you munch. 

Assuming no other killing roles exist which you never know. But that’s always been a meta 
I think we shouldn’t always lynch DP1 regardless if it’s Even or Odd. It gives us information of character/role/balance + player interactions/motives. These days even No Lynching on MYLO is scary cause Vote Thief’s have become common.
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I did above 
Where? Can you link me to the post
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Thinking about other stuff. Pre 2000
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I thought you said mafia had questions?
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@ILikePie5
Mafia were given exactly one fake role claim, and one fake character claim this time around
Ok I probably read something wrong
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@Mharman
I thought you said mafia had questions?
What post is this referring to? Just keeping notes.
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I think we shouldn’t always lynch DP1 regardless if it’s Even or Odd. It gives us information of character/role/balance + player interactions/motives. These days even No Lynching on MYLO is scary cause Vote Thief’s have become common.
Idk about Luna, but I specifically made Vote Thief not work on MYLO days in my last game, for balance. Luna did once include a scum Super Saint that didn't deactivate at MYLO/LYLO tho, so who knows whether he'd do the same.

I buy Mikal's explanation for his post, personally. I'm not sure I agree 100% with the meta, but I at least understand it. Gonna have to look at some of his other games to get a solid read on him in general.
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@Mharman
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I'm more inclined to get a claim from WF at the moment than from inactives, just given my read on him. If he's scum, he'll probably have a good fake claim, but at least it locks him in early. Lmk if you're fine going that route.
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I stand corrected. I typed it in a post but didn’t have signal in Walmart so guess it didn’t send. 

I’m pre 2k
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(Forgive all the other typos and stuff as well. On my phone. Should be able to actually give a pretty in-depth analysis when I’m back on my Computer)