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@ILikePie5
@Savant
You two next
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@ILikePie5
Idr the game, please give savant a link to said game
You forgetting that Whiteflame hinted at having a certain role… meaning it could’ve been off the table by the time wylted claimed
I think at least one of, possibly both of Whiteflame and Mikal are scum.
I haven’t read into the CC between Austin and Moozer yet.
Is it just that both of them claimed to be the one that didn’t guess an answer last DP?
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@Mikal
You two next
Aren’t you gonna say your role? Or were you just saying character claim?
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@Mharman
Is it just that both of them claimed to be the one that didn’t guess an answer last DP?
Correct
I'm Deal or no Deal
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@ILikePie5
Just character. I want to hold roles for now and when I die or claim you will know why.
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@Mharman
@Savant
Idr the game, please give savant a link to said gameYou forgetting that Whiteflame hinted at having a certain role… meaning it could’ve been off the table by the time wylted claimed
Villainous Villains Mafia
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@AustinL0926
@Moozer325
Both of you check all of your chat logs with Lunatic. Both Discord and DART
I’m Who Wants To Be A Millionaire
I think Banana has to be scum. Joe Rogan is the only one left with Howie Mandel being in Deal or No Deal for Savant
1. Whiteflame - Wheel of Fortune - Wheel Spinner
2. Mharman - Price is Right - Gramps
3. Mikal - Jeopardy - ???
4. Austin - Family Feud - Modified Gladiator
5. iLikePie5 - Who Wants To Be A Millionaire - ???
6. Moozer - Whose Line Is It Anyways - Popular
7. Banana - Fear Factor - Brave Townie
8. Earth - Survivor - Soldier
9. Savant - Deal or No Deal - ???
1. Whiteflame - Wheel of Fortune - Wheel Spinner
2. Mharman - Price is Right - Gramps
3. Mikal - Jeopardy - ???
4. Austin - Family Feud - Modified Gladiator
5. iLikePie5 - Who Wants To Be A Millionaire - ???
6. Moozer - Whose Line Is It Anyways - Popular
7. Banana - Fear Factor - Brave Townie
8. Earth - Survivor - Soldier
9. Savant - Deal or No Deal - ???
Wylted - The Circle - 1x Catfish
Casey - Post 2000 - ??? - ???
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@ILikePie5
Banana is one of my main targets by behavior. But I’m not buying it fully.
Been thinking on it
Wf may be a utility lynch. He said he saw her visit or track her to savant yeah. After she already claimed. That’s decently scummy already and the character claim does seem fake.
I think when he flips we will have some type of confirmation on her. Whether he was lying , telling the truth etc.
I’m kinda with savant. I don’t love his character claim and I don’t love the timing of when he said what he did. It was after we pressured all 3 and he waited until after Mharm and her claimed.
I confess I have not fully read this dp but I think the bottom 3 are
Whiteflame
Banana and Mharm
I’ll confirm later but the timing of that claim directly after they both claimed is just very ironic. I think we get more info off that and pick between banana and Mharm tomorrow.
I think there is weird with Luna stepping in but I don’t want to derail the game with it. It’s something I will reference back to at some point though
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@AustinL0926
@Moozer325
Post 310, report back when you’re done.
I am lost as to who gets the item now
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@Mikal
I am lost as to who gets the item now
We have time
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@ILikePie5
Where I’m at I think there is almost with certainty one scum between wf Ana and Mharm
And one hiding somewhere else.
The one after that is harder and I think looking back may give us some insight. But I do think the order is as I mentioned is the play. We get a lot of info from that and I just know myself. The fact he claimed a result verifying someone right after they claimed when we pressured all 3 at the same time will bother me the entire game.
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@Mikal
Wf may be a utility lynch
Given that I have two other roles I’d like to use before then, I’d very much prefer not to be lynched before I get that chance, but if this confirmation of my result on Banana is so valuable that it’s worth the loss, then I’ll eat it and let you guys get on with it. I’m not fond of that reasoning because I don’t think it significantly reduces PoE (I can only confirm who Banana visited, not what she did) and I think at minimum I have value as an NK target, but that’s not my choice.
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@ILikePie5
@Mikal
@AustinL0926
@Moozer325
More reads incoming!
Reads List 6.0
Each player is assigned an estimated probability of being town based on how towny or scummy they are. The average probability of being town is 75%, since there are 6 town players left besides me and 2 scum players left.
AustinL0926
- Town (94.5%)
- Playing as Town: SKdp1, SKdp2, Castledp1
- Playing as Scum: Diarydp1, Diarydp2, Diarydp3
- #583, #599 - T - Very unlikely this role claim is fake or that role belongs to scum. However, if Austin is scum, it’s possible a scum partner came up with this fake role for him, and it is possible it’s the fake scum role claim, since the show doesn’t fit too well. I also think scum would claim everything they want to claim at once, while town would throw out info desperately in Austin’s position.
- #588, #590, #592, #594 - TL - Feels like this is coming from someone genuinely catching up without being fed any information from scum. Town reading as scum here would be pretty bold, though I could see other scum recommending this to build trust.
- #631, #632, #633 - T - Thoughts seem more likely to occur to town, and I agree with the point about Mikal in particular.
- #728, #729, #730 - T - I don’t think scum Austin would analyze posts in this level of detail, effort seems towny.
- #43 - TL - Very pro town to bring this up.
- #79 - TL - I don’t think scum Austin would bother to risk being cc’d later.
Moozer325
- Town (93.5%)
- Playing as Town: JFdp1, JFdp2, JFdp3
- Playing as Scum: IPdp1, IPdp2, IPdp3
- #306, #331 - TL - Seems genuine and open for the most part, though in this position I think scum has no choice but to claim, so only a slight town read.
- #438 - TL - I like these reads, and confident/active players often seem townie, so I buy that read as genuine (particularly with the comparison to last game).
- #530, #534, #543, #545 - T - If Moozer is lying here, it’s a lot of lies packed very densely, and I don’t think scum Moozer would fake that level of analysis.
- #533 - T - Offering to claim right after a decent analysis, hard to fake all of that at once. Seems sincere.
- #9 - T - Earth claims he checked Moozer and confirmed his innocence.
- #186 - SL - Could be opportunistic given the cc, but with the phrasing and how they didn’t bother to check the details, I also don’t really see this lie as a great scum gambit.
iLikePie5
- Town Lean (87.5%)
- Playing as Town: JFdp1, JFdp2, TRdp1
- Playing as Scum: TVdp1, TVdp2
- #48, #49, #51 - TL - I like that Pie’s first posts are immediately about the game, no attempts to gain cred just through agreeableness.
- #55, #119, #120 - NAI - After reading Casey’s post, I agree that this probably isn’t a town slip. Pie’s explanation is fine. I could see these posts coming from either alignment
- #121, #122, #124, #126, #127 - SL - Pie is active as usual, which isn’t particularly AI, but his posts seem kind of noncommittal, mostly agreeing or giving meta information about players. Kind of the bare minimum to appear active.
- #125 - TL - I like that Pie is challenging a player, somewhat mitigates with my concerns about the other posts being noncommittal
- #136, #138 - TL - Towny concerns, and it somewhat convinces me the earlier meta analysis was genuinely aimed toward helping town
- #141, #142 - TL - Retracting an accusation like that indicates to me it was probably sincere. Could be faked or maybe forced by the situation, but I don’t think scum Pie would back down out of fear or plan to challenge and then back down.
- #515, #516, #535, #542 - T - Towny analysis that isn’t overly focused on one point (which scum tend to do) and is based on his own role, which I don’t think scum would use as an argument since it would limit their claims later. Impression I’m getting from past games is that Pie is more detail-oriented as town.
- #652, #655, #659 - TL - Pie’s behavior toward Austin remains very consistent, and I think these thoughts are indicative of a genuine town read.
- #654, #656 - TL - Decently towny thought process, and willing to engage even if it means addressing suspicion on himself without countering it.
- #751 - TL - Agree with this, lack of aggression is rare for Pie and in this case it seems genuine since the logic tracks.
- #821 - T - I think it’s very unlikely this was a bus, and if WyIted was planning with Pie to be pushed, he would likely have a better fake claim selected.
- #61, #73 - T - Doubt scum would want to confirm a town member.
- #194, #195, #261 - SL - Disagree strongly with these takes, I think pushing a likely t v t while defending a likely scum is scummy.
Mikal
- Town Lean (79%)
- Playing as Town: JFdp1, Riddledp1, Riddledp2
- Playing as Scum: Ozarkdp1, Ozarkdp2, Ozarkdp3
- #16 - TL - An early post where the vote seems more substantive than for “joke” reasons, even if the goal is just to get someone’s attention, it’s not presented alongside a quip.
- #18, #25, #27 - TL - Ticking off another player like this would be an odd move coming from scum. Really I only see it biasing people against Mikal, hence I’m inclined to town read it. WIFOM, I know, but I just don’t see Mikal banking on being town read for being annoying.
- #34, #57, #137 - TL - I like that Mikal is taking the lead, and the explanation of the even-odd strat seems largely towny.
- #36, #38 - TL - Confronting another player out the gate is good, and Mikal is asking something I was curious about as well. This is pro-town at the very least. Also Mikal tends to be more confrontational as town (here, here, here, here) and more laid-back as scum (here, here, here)
- #165 - TL - This kind of indecision and uncertainty about another player comes from town more often than from scum.
- #209 - TL - Sticks to his guns without planting additional seeds for a push.
- #275 - TL - As I mentioned before, aggression like this is a town tell for Mikal, and I think pushing WF for specifics is warranted.
- #277, #281, #288, #289, #290 - TL - Mikal throws out a lot of specifics here that I think scum would have a hard time improvising while remaining genuine. And his attack on Earth is consistent, even if I think it’s mostly unsupported.
- #308, #309, #311, #315, #316 - TL - Very slight town read here. Strategy seems solid with no red flags, but I’ve seen this kind of thing before from Mikal, so it doesn’t move the needle that much.
- #443, #454 - TL - Similar to how I’ve spoken to and about people I suspect when I’m town, perhaps even more obviously sincere than that, and I have a hard time seeing scum fake this.
- #505, #507, #508 - TL - Towny analysis, emotions that seem sincere from a town perspective. The shift on Pie seems sincere to me.
- #537, #540, #549, #555 - T - Very towny annoyance and defense that makes a lot of sense to me. These aren’t super easy mislynches, but Mikal seems to understand how inactives could be perceived that way.
- #570 - SL - Giving up role info to reduce pressure seems more scummy than towny (and the information is barely useful). I mean I could see it as either alignment, but it’s not like revealing this really helps town. Plus, trying to use this to attack Earth feels opportunistic.
- #615 - TL - I agree with Austin that this is a towny consideration from Mikal.
- #666 - TL - Agree with Casey that this is a pro town concern, but the town lean comes more from the way it is phrased, imagining what could go wrong from town POV
- #700, #701 - TL - Attacking banana by defending Moozer and criticizing that read feels pretty towny.
- #816 - T - Asked for a claim from WyIted, given how bad WyIted’s claim was I doubt this is a scum partner.
#847 - SL - Voting for Earth instead of WyIted is suspicious.
Earth
- Town Lean (78%)
- Playing as Town: CoDdp1, CoDdp2, CoDdp3
- Playing as Scum: RRV2dp1, RRV2dp2, RRV2dp3
- #35 - TL - For an infrequent poster, drawing attention early without a need comes across as more instinctive to town than to scum.
- #117 - TL - I don’t think scum Earth would offer to out his show without prompting.
- #157 - TL - Pro-town imo to advocate this strategy, even offering a way to make it more feasible.
- #235, #239, #240 - T - So much agreement here (except on inactives), and I’ll give Earth more credit for this than someone like WF (who is very towny as scum). If anything, I might suspect that Earth is copying my reads, but overall his reasoning is close to what I would say.
- #350 - SL - Post justification makes sense, and if it’s fake Survivor probably used up the mafia fake claim, but it’s an easy role to fake claim and non confirmable. Also, the show started in 2000, not before. Not in town’s interest to claim here since it just narrows down power roles and loses all the role’s utility, but could be an attempt to get pressure off by claiming early, while the soldier should want suspicion on them to avoid the NK.
- #353, #359 - SL - Explanation seems iffy to me. There’s a good chance that Earth wanted to keep his claim options open earlier by saying after 2000 and then looked up roles in recent games.
- #603 - TL - The details in Earth’s justification about the Survivor show feel like they could actually be from a role PM (“physical and mental trials to the very end…”) though it’s probably a rephrase.
- #698 - TL - Defending another player for similar reasons he’s used to defend himself makes his posting seem more genuine.
- #9 - T - I don’t think scum would risk clearing a town player or associating themselves with a scum partner.
whiteflame
- Scum Lean (58%)
- Playing as Town: CoDdp1, CoDdp2, CoDdp3
- Playing as Scum: JFdp1, JFdp2, JFdp3
- #16 - SL - With WF it’s always difficult to tell, but starting the game with something unrelated to this particular game seems more aimed at gaining town cred through camaraderie.
- #17, #21, #23 - SL - I understand WF’s frustration here, I really do, but their reasons for refusing Mikal aren’t framed from a game strategy perspective. The case could be made that Mikal’s strategy does work for reading WF, and WF only challenges it out of personal distaste. Casey is probably right that this isn’t that significant, so the lean is very slight.
- #28 - SL - After being pressured, I think this post could be made to change the subject, which WF can get away with because of Mikal’s brash demeanor, and the formalities beside the vote could be meant to ensure the vote isn’t met with hostility. I think town would be more inclined to pressure other players, while scum would be more inclined to befriend them
- #32 - TL - WF complimenting Mikal’s strategy like this actually strikes me as more towny than scummy. It’s WF, and he could easily be thinking that giving credence to Mikal here is the towny move; however, I think there were alternative responses that could have been more strategic for scum and planted bigger seeds for suspecting Mikal
- #75 - TL - The frustration seems towny, and it indicates to me that the previous frustration was likely genuine as well, not solely to avoid pressure.
- #106 - SL - Feels a bit like WF is planting seeds for suspicion on Mikal without outright saying it or giving reads. Also when responding to a call for engagement, this post seems like it throws suspicion toward the most convenient player rather than analyzing the game as a whole and really scum hunting.
- #109, #115 - SL - I think a town player would be more likely to start making progress from what they have. Waiting for claims and for inactives to post (not even the first to note inactive players) could be a convenient way to test the waters.
- #234 - TL - I’m seeing a good amount of effort here put into explaining the “why” behind his reads, and all of it seems fairly logical from a town perspective. I agree with him here more than I disagree with him, and I don’t see any opportunistic scum reads or possibly partnered town reads sticking out.
- #241 - TL - Agree on Casey being a top town read. See where WF is coming from on Mikal’s behavior, and if WF is town, then it makes sense for there to be no clear scum reads atm. Maybe I’m giving too much credit based off of agreement, and I do think scum WF would acknowledge strong town reads, but the lack of apparent agenda here is a green flag.
- #564 - SL - Decent enough, I guess, but WF tends to have mostly accurate reads as either alignment. Compared to the effort a lot of other players are putting in, I barely see anything new here. I guess I’d just expect more being added to the discussion if WF is town.
- #627 - TL - Ok, this mitigates my concern that WF didn’t have any super impactful reads to move the game forward.
- #660 - TL - More of the WF I’m used to with the analysis, which partially mitigates my concern that he’s acting particularly scummy today.
- #664 - TL - Starting a train like this leans towny, I don’t think WF really needed to do this to avoid being lynched.
- #811 - SL - Given that WyIted probably didn’t use a fake claim, it’s likely that WF hinted at the fake claim for his role and that WyIted was willing to die because the alternative on the chopping block was his partner.
- #174 - SL - Could be the fake claim. Claiming to have a tracker and confirming what banana just said seems opportunistic, especially since I’ve seen WF work backwards from opportunistic conclusions to write reasonable-sounding explanations. Also, might be pocketing banana while also not town confirming them.
iamanabanana
- Scum Lean (56%)
- Playing as Town: JFdp1, JFdp2, JFdp3
- Playing as Scum: BBdp1, BBdp2
- #7 - TL - Posting early draws attention, and I don’t think scum would be inclined to do so without a joke or something to justify the post, seem natural, etc.
- #33, #41 - T - I don’t see scum Banana coming out and giving info about her role without being asked. She’s played a few games, so it’s possible for this to be a tactic, but I think scum wouldn’t play this risky.
- #198 - TL - I like how banana sticks to her guns here, and the answer seems focused on town perspective rather than just being defensive.
- #199 - TL - Putting pressure on inactives like this is a town concern, and her response before is long and noticeable enough that just voting for Moozer wouldn’t be done to divert attention. If banana were scum under pressure, I think she would focus on either putting pressure on Moozer or giving a sufficient defense (not both).
- #299 - SL - I don’t love that banana’s only post in a while is a defensive one, repeating a point they already made.
- #378 - TL - Defending Earth like this is townie when he could be a possible lynch today.
- #399, #417, #421 - SL - A bit OMGUSy and overly defensive, and the defense of Earth seems a bit opportunistic as a way to throw suspicion toward Mikal. She’s been focused on defense as scum before here and here, though I couldn’t really find a similar situation to compare that behavior to in her town game. (Although she seemed a bit more open and less accusatory in general as town.)
- #606 - TL - A lot of effort, I think it’s unlikely banana goes this far under pressure if she’s scum.
- #677, #678, #682 - TL - The continued pushing and amount of effort make the read on Mikal feels genuine, especially when banana isn’t the top lynch today.
- #694 - SL - The defensiveness is getting to the point of being excessive and more than I’d expect a town member to actually feel. And denying that it is defensiveness doesn’t really help.
- #16, #34, #40, #41 - SL - The logic here is bad since Earth wasn’t confirmed yesterday (still isn’t, though he’s towny today). Likely an attempt to widen the PoE pool since scum are losing.
- #143, #183 - SL - Some similarities to Casey’s claim, and Casey was just janitored. Though they do make a point that there are other famous hosts.
- #299 - TL - Townie not to expand PoE here, especially when one scum has already been lynched and banana is on the chopping block.
- #291 - TL - Doubling down on this by caring about a detail like the order of claims convinces me this might be sincere.
Mharman
- Scum Lean (53.5%)
- Playing as Town: JFdp1, JFdp2, JFdp3
- Playing as Scum: CoDdp1, CoDdp2, CoDdp3
- #60, #61 - TL - Strategizing that doesn’t give off any red flags. There’s a question posed to Pie that could be manipulative but seems more like an attempt to get a read, and I like that. Don’t know that scum would have thought to do that.
- #105 - T - The read on Mikal seems genuine. I have a hard time seeing scum suspect someone and then give a reason why they actually might not be suspicious with zero pushback.
- #143, #144, #145 - TL - More questions that seem like they’re coming from a towny perspective, I don’t think scum Mharman would pretend not to know if scum have questions just to get town read.
- #291, #301, #310 - TL - If Mharman is scum here, then the strategy is probably to pursue a WyIted lynch or Pie lynch by throwing out seeds. Or allow Earth to be lynched by not defending him. But he defends inactives decently and defends the town core, so his thoughts seem more likely from genuine town trying to catch up and get thoughts out.
- #318 - TL - Mharman going back and forth on WF seems genuine. Idk if scum would be willing to seem inconsistent like this.
- #321 - SL - This post is pretty verbose, and rambling a bit is often a scum tell. Also could be planting potential seeds for a lynch without committing.
- #799, #831, #886 - TL - Town reads WyIted early on, might have been trying to avoid a hammer on him but still worth a slight town read
- #885 - SL - Waiting to hammer on scum while claiming he might is suspicious. And since WyIted wanted to post notes, it’s possible they decided that notes from Mharman would look less suspect.
- #911, #919 - SL - Taking credit like this and retroactively adding a town read seems very opportunistic and not really honest since the credit is split among a lot of people, including the lynch train that Mharman wasn’t even on.
- #137 - SL - Misremembering role name and claiming a role that is typically scum aligned.
- #184, #193, #246, #251 - SL - Mharman’s anger here is not really logical and I only see it coming from scum on the verge of losing, given how well the town is doing.
Pie, Moozer, and Austin are arguably in conflict with the whole trivia thing, but they're my top 3 town reads, mainly because of their behavior up to this point.
And because of a lot of scummy behavior by my top 3 scum reads.
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@Mharman
100% sure. IDK if you were trying to get me to scumslip by saying I checked the discord, but I only ever talked to Luna via PMs, and I didn't post an answer there.
I think the most likely explanation for this is a Luna mistake, even though that's not likely in itself. I know I'm not scum, and I seriously never thought that Austin was scum until I realized I had CCed him, so I think Luna had to have made some mistake.
Me and Austin are both confirmable though, so I say we confirm me now, and confirm Austin next DP. We can find another Lynch for now.
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@Moozer325
I think the most likely explanation for this is a Luna mistake, even though that's not likely in itself. I know I'm not scum, and I seriously never thought that Austin was scum until I realized I had CCed him, so I think Luna had to have made some mistake.
Or you just made the mistake and are scum.
Me and Austin are both confirmable though, so I say we confirm me now, and confirm Austin next DP. We can find another Lynch for now.
Neither of you are affiliation confirmable