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@Mopac
I don't disagree with that. I don't have enough information to know if it is true or not, all I know is I have been helped a lot by MODERN psychology, and it may help you as well.
He has clear signs of early onset schizophrenia.
The word salad and delusions just being a few
I can't diagnose him because I am not his therapist but it is perfectly fine to attempt to get somebody help before it is too late.
Just like when I see people with suicidal ideation I can't conclude they are suicidal but I point them towards resources they can utilize.
I am not saying being spiritual is a symptom of mental illness, most spiritual people do not have mental illness, but he has shown clear signs,
You are preventing him from getting the help he needs by denying his obvious symptoms and signs
Cats, Logs, Fidelus, Soyez-vous, moto kudasai, Friendly, Dog, Hairs. Am I now schizophrenic because I strung these words together? "Word salad" is nothing more than a gimmicky neologism that disguises psychology's incapacity as of yet to substantiate a pathological and/or biochemical basis for their diagnoses. As of yet, there's no presentation of a biochemical basis for schizophrenia, "schizophasia," logorrhea, etc.Um word salad is a symptom https://examples.yourdictionary.com/examples-of-word-salad.html
Also I am not presenting a diagnosis. Just because he has displayed symptoms of early onset schizophrenia does not mean he has it, which is why it is a good ideal to seek help, and I say "before it is too late" because if medicated early, schizophrenia can be a non issue in somebody's life, so yes if you see somebody displaying obvious symptoms you have a moral obligation to point them towards help
Disagreeing with a statement doesn't make it unintelligible. But to admit that you're merely disagreeing would mean your assuming responsibility for your disagreement. Instead, you'd rather attempt to pathologize Mopac's statements to circumvent your owning up to fact that your disagreement is solely based on opinion. Rather than expose your contention as opinion, you're making him out to be "mentally ill."he also says stuff like God is truth, with truth being defined as "an honest statement". No,honest statements are not divine, even if the divine does make them, the statement itself is not a God lol.
Should I seek help then?That is silly. Not everybody displaying a symptom or even multiple symptoms of early onset schizophrenia will have it.
Was Jesus "mad"? Anyone knows that to call someone "mad" is simply a cheap form of abuse. But what is it when the bible uses the word? What's more, what is it when Jesus' own family say of him having "lost his mind" - thought he was "crazy" - said "he's gone mad" - and to be "out of his mind" - and " he has become mad" ? Mark 3:21What does any of this have to do with my response?
it has not been demonstrated that anyone on the planet has a mental "illness.
Should churches give free psychological evaluations
Well, you have stated at post 30:it has not been demonstrated that anyone on the planet has a mental "illness
So as of yet, it has not been demonstrated that anyone on the planet has a mental "illness."
My question has everything to do with your own statement that - "no one on the planet has a mental illness"
and the topic of this thread.
So it would be nice if you could answer the question instead of avoiding it by posing your own question.
Well, you have stated at post 30:it has not been demonstrated that anyone on the planet has a mental "illnessIf you're going to quote me, quote me verbatim:
Added: 01.07.20 08:47AM --> @Athias at post 28 wrote this: So as of yet, it has not been demonstrated that anyone on the planet has a mental "illness." https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/3481/should-churches-give-free-psychological-evaluations?page=4
Never made that statement. Read my response again.
Added: 01.01.20 06:25PM --> @Athias at post 28 Would you like to provide premises for why you think there are zero people on the planet with mental illnessBecause "abnormality" is not the same as illness. Illness is a pathological condition which produces symptoms. There has yet to be a mental "illness" that either fits the aforestated description or produces a biochemical basis. This is the reason the APA rarely includes--if at all--the term "illness" when publishing the DSM (currently DSM-5.) The APA has instead opted to use the term "disorder," which is not the same as illness. The inclusion of "illness" in psychiatric lexicon is merely the residul of Jean-Martin Charcot's failed attempt to prove that hysteria had a neuropathological basis."So as of yet, it has not been demonstrated that anyone on the planet has a mental "illness."
The topic of this thread is "Should churches give free psychological evaluations?"
Once again, I do not "avoid" questions which I have no obligation to answer.
And I'm not going to engage you in a discussion over Bible quotes
you have demonstrated the incapacity and/or unwillingness to support your claims
I will not indulge intellectual regress by engaging you in redundancy. So enjoy your day, Stephen.
Like this you mean?
"So as of yet, it has not been demonstrated that anyone on the planet has a mental "illness."
It is indeed. And after your comment that "So as of yet, it has not been demonstrated that anyone on the planet has a mental "illness." I am asking you a question concerning Jesus the Christ's mental state. Was Jesus mad? His family seemed to believe he was?
That is true, you are not obliged.. But you did attempt a response of sorts thereby you acknowledged the question, but then avoided actually answering it. see post
Why ever not!!!??
It is indeed. And after your comment that "So as of yet, it has not been demonstrated that anyone on the planet has a mental "illness." I am asking you a question concerning Jesus the Christ's mental state. Was Jesus mad? His family seemed to believe he was?And I'm declining a response to your questions.
Because I have no inclination to argue about Bible quotes with you especially on a subject where they are irrelevant.
I won't engage you in a discussion over quotes, and that's the last time I'm going to inform you.