BAMF Mafia - Day Phase 2

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And again, how would I know Luna visited Croc if I wasn't really a tracker
Evidence point to that being a tracker and being a scum is not mutually exclusive, as that the official mafia site gave illustrations to an anti-town tracker.[1]


Since scum always has the ability to NK in basically all games, it would possibly imply that Speed is a mafia tracker, which exists.

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I asked Drafter, he said that if you're targeted by a JK then you get a message saying so. Croc can confirm my results because he would've gotten a message saying he was RBd
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You are JULES- the ultra BAMF.  If there's a NINJA or a GODFATHER it is you.
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XLunatic                  Frozone                       JAILKEEPER
XDanielle                 Russell Franklin      VANILLA
TOWN                     SLJ
Oromagi                Nick Fury                       REINCARNATOR
Intelligence_06    Mace Windu               WATCHER
Crocodile              John Shaft                    COP
skittlez09              Ray Arnold                   VANILLA
Mharman               Stan                                VANILLA
SupaDudz             Dr Wm Marsh               DOCTOR
Speedrace             Augustus Gibbons    BLEEDER (CC'd)
                                   Jules Winnfield         TRACKER
SCUM



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I'm down for Supa or Speed. Preferring Supa because there is no denying the Jailkeeper + Doctor is not believable. Speed at least made some arguments, however dubious of them I am.
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Tracker vs Jailkeeper, Cop, Watcher, and a Reincarnator? How does that balance make sense, especially since drafter is an experienced mod? What?
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Agreed

VTL SupaDudz
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@Speedrace
ok, but then why say you're not a weakling? Why not just pretend you're a vanilla from the start?
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I will not vote until Crocodile reveals his results.
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You should get in here ASAP too.
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Speed - 2/4 - oro, intel
Supa - 1/4 - Speed


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Twice before I've gotten to L-1 as town, claimed vanilla, and gotten lynched anyway. I didn't want to repeat my mistake, hence not claiming weakling
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@Speedrace
That is called appeal to tradition. Just because the last two revolutions had failed doesn't mean there is no value to try it. There is nothing barring you from being a mafia tracker, especially since mafia have the reason to falseclaim.
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@Speedrace
Could you direct me to the post where you claimed weakling for context then please?
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*not weakling
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@Intelligence_06
Balance with me as a mafia tracker makes no sense. Drafter is known for making very balanced games, hence I'm not a mafia tracker

In fact I already showed that balance makes EONS more sense if I'm a town tracker. Me being mafia tracker just doesn't make sense, and Supa is much more likely scum
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@Mharman
Yeah give me a second
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In this post, Oro asks me about my character:
"I wonder if there's a badass/non-badass split.

Ray Arnold, for example, is not particularly badass.

My role is badass for sure.
Can you confirm your roles are quite badass?"
In this one I confirm I'm not a weakling

I'm not sure that's the theme. Ray Arnold isn't and is a vanilla and that makes more sense than him being scum in my opinion

And yeah mine is
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@oromagi
what is Stan's justification?
I got none
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@Crocodile
report?
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@oromagi
You are JULES- the ultra BAMF.  If there's a NINJA or a GODFATHER it is you.
If theme has shown anything, the badder you are, the more town you are. My character is on par with John Shaft and you haven't questioned his towniness

Also I can't be either because I'm a tracker lol
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what is Stan's justification?
I got none
Do you have a justification, Oro?
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I agree that Supa is more likely scum. I still scumread Speed, but I have a stronger scumread on Supa.

Still, still we need Crocodile's cop results.
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@Intelligence_06
Whatever your read on me, can we at least agree that Supa is more likely scum? There can't be a JK and a Doc
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Above
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I'm down for Supa or Speed. Preferring Supa because there is no denying the Jailkeeper + Doctor is not believable. Speed at least made some arguments, however dubious of them I am.
eyes on the prize, please. 

  • Speed lied on ROLE and was quickly counter-claimed by well breadcrumbed WATCHER.  
  • Speed now claims TRACKER who didn't give results but chose to fake claim DP2 for weak cause.
    • Speed's claimed TRACKER results are conveniently redundant and untestable
  • Speed as TOWN would have realized the utility of truthfully claiming Jules early on.  
    • It is the likeliest SCUM character
    • Claiming Jules would be claiming PR without actually saying which.  Since COP and JK(TUF DOC) were already on the table, additional power role claims might tempt the NK away from the most important saves.  I was seriously thinking of fake claiming DOC at the end of DP1 just to try to brokenwingedmamabird the NK.  Its also the reason I put Mace Windu back in the list
      • If I was a TOWN TRACKER who was Jules, I would have claimed just Jules to get SCUM wondering how powerful a ROLE I might be.  Trading TRACKER for COP seem like the right move.
  • Speed was CAUGHT visiting the Night Kill.  This fact alone always makes the priority lynch.  Speed lied about his visit, lied about his role.  Speed is SCUM with high confidence.  

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Speed lied on ROLE and was quickly counter-claimed by well breadcrumbed WATCHER.  
I frequently do this as a town PR

  • Speed now claims TRACKER who didn't give results but chose to fake claim DP2 for weak cause.
    • Speed's claimed TRACKER results are conveniently redundant and untestable
Again, I always do that. And they ARE testable because Drafter said that people who are roleblocked get a message saying so. So Croc will log on and say he was blocked. Beyond that, redundant? How much of an idiot do you think I am that I would randomly claim as mafia that Lunatic (probably the best player here) BLOCKED THE TOWN COP. What??

Speed as TOWN would have realized the utility of truthfully claiming Jules early on. 
I have never instantly claimed as town except as an SOP. Never. This is not true

It is the likeliest SCUM character
Based on...? Jules is in line with John Shaft as a character and Shaft is town. Why then wouldn't Jules be?

If I was a TOWN TRACKER who was Jules, I would have claimed just Jules to get SCUM wondering how powerful a ROLE I might be.  Trading TRACKER for COP seem like the right move.
I am not you lol. We are vastly different town players

  • Speed was CAUGHT visiting the Night Kill.  This fact alone always makes the priority lynch.  Speed lied about his visit, lied about his role.  Speed is SCUM with high confidence.  
I visited Lunatic, my top scum read, which makes sense. Me being tracker makes sense for balance MORE than me being mafia tracker. And I would have to literally be out of my mind to claim that Lunatic, of ALL people, roleblocked the TOWN COP. I'm a lot of things but I'm not an idiot

And if you'll take behavioral evidence, I only hyperpost as town.

Me being town is completely plausible, and it is much more likely that Supa is scum. Drafter would not make a game with a JK and a Doc.
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stop appealing to tradition

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Again, my results ARE TESTABLE. You can ask drafter yourself if you want

Once my results are confirmed, that leads to the fact that I must be a town or mafia tracker.

Mafia tracker makes no sense for balance, but as town, me being a tracker and tracking Lunatic, my biggest scum read, makes perfect sense.

Supa being Doc with a confirmed JK in the game makes no sense because drafter's games are balanced.

Supa is simply more likely scum than I am.
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@Intelligence_06
Bruh.

Appeal to tradition:

"an argument in which a thesis is deemed correct on the basis that it is correlated with some past or present tradition"

My argument doesn't hinge on tradition. Even with that it still makes sense.

Besides that, I've explained why Supa being scum makes more sense than me being scum. Why don't you believe that argument?