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@SkepticalOne
Everyone has a vested interest in the outcome of this debate.
I serve God's law. I dont serve human interest.
If the truth was that God doesnt exist, then I would stop believing in truth and continue believing in God.
Leftists...........explain this.
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@Best.Korea
If the truth was that God doesnt exist, then I would stop believing in truth and continue believing in God.
Unlike you, I'm interested in what is actually true rather than what I want to be true. If it isn't true or can't be shown true, I don't want to think otherwise.
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@badger
Ok here's a problem for you. It seems to me that it's actually Republicans that are creating the demand for transexuals what with all the transexual porn they're watching. Well, that's the real encouragement, right? If you like, the left is just accepting the problem the right is creating.
You have yet to show how many liberals watch the same things. Is it more? Is it less?
The fact of the matter is, these are specific people with their own beliefs. You can't frame all republicans, just because some of them are hypocritical. That is an individual decision.
I am personally saying that this is wrong. I can't speak for others who are hypocritical.
4.7 million transgender porn related google searches a month and the vast majority coming from Republican states. That's a whole lot of money and a whole lot of fake titty surgeries.
Ok? Just because they are coming from Republican states, doesn't mean the people watching it are Republican. You do know that their are democrats in republican states and vice versa, right?
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@SkepticalOne
I'm interested in what is actually true
I am interested in God and that which is good.
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@SkepticalOne
Sure, everyone starts with labia and a clitoris. You can try to argue this isn't female I suppose, but you do so at the expense of being taken seriously.
How so?
FYI, individuals can be born with genitalia that doesn't match their chromosomes. Suffice to say, there's a lot that you don't know about human biology. I say that as someone who recognizes I still have a lot to learn about it as well, so don't take that as an insult.
Well, I do know about what your talking about. Yes intersex people exist, even they make up a less than 1% of the world population.
But even then, these people still have definitive signs of being either male or female.
What does this have to do with everyone being female first?
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@Best.Korea
I'm interested in what is actually trueI am interested in God and that which is good.
Yes, your point is clear: you don't believe truth is important. It is your right to be deluded, but this disallows any common ground for debate between us.
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@SkepticalOne
It is your right to be deluded, but this disallows any common ground for debate between us.
Its better to be deluded and serve God than to use truth to serve evil.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Please don't take badger seriously on this, he hasn't a clue who watches how much porn of what type. Porn demand would hardly be a good excuse for performing mutilations on children in any case.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Sure, everyone starts with labia and a clitoris. You can try to argue this isn't female I suppose, but you do so at the expense of being taken seriously.How so?
You're saying male genitalia makes someone male while simultaneously saying female genitalia doesn't make someone female. You undermine your own position.
What does this have to do with everyone being female first?
It doesn't. It has to do with your view that chromosomes are the absolute end-all-be-all of sex determination. They're not.
In short, your black and white understanding of gender and sex doesn't match the real world.
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@SkepticalOne
You're saying male genitalia makes someone male while simultaneously saying female genitalia doesn't make someone female. You undermine your own position.
No, I am saying that male DNA or chromosomes makes you male, and female DNA or chromosomes makes you female.
I am saying that genitalia is most of the time a clear sign of what sex you are.
It doesn't. It has to do with your view that chromosomes are the absolute end-all-be-all of sex determination. They're not.
Yes they are.
In short, your black and white understanding of gender and sex doesn't match the real world.
Well all of human reproduction and history agrees with me.
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@badger
Ok here's a problem for you. It seems to me that it's actually Republicans that are creating the demand for transexuals what with all the transexual porn they're watching.
Actually transgender porn sucks now that liberals have flooded it.
10 years ago as a heterosexual man I had no problem jerking off to a chick with a dick sucking off a man. Now that leftism has destroyed America we don't get those sexy looking feminine trannies. We get masculine looking dudes with tits.
Now I feel like a fag if I jerk off to trannies. I hate that leftists have ruined tranny porn for me
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Porn demand would hardly be a good excuse for performing mutilations on children in any case.
You misspelled religion.
Gender affirming medical treatment on minors is rare. From 2019 - 2021, less than 60 genital surgeries were performed. On the other hand, it is estimated 64% (notice that is 64 percent, not just 64 individuals) of American boys are circumcized.
There is a much much more common form of (non-consensual) mutilation happening and it has nothing to do with gender affirming care.
he hasn't a clue who watches how much porn of what type.
Seems pretty black and white to me. Or red and blue in this case.
Rich.
I bet Wylted actually votes Democrat.
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@YouFound_Lxam
No, I am saying that male DNA or chromosomes makes you male, and female DNA or chromosomes makes you female.
Except where it isn't - which you've already acknowledged.
I am saying that genitalia is most of the time a clear sign of what sex you are.
Except when we all had female genitalia. This is a clear cut case of special pleading on your part.
It doesn't. It has to do with your view that chromosomes are the absolute end-all-be-all of sex determination. They're not.Yes they are.
Again, you've already acknowledged exceptions.
Well all of human reproduction and history agrees with me.
Except where it doesn't. You are discounting a group of people that are as numerous as people with red hair. There are more things in reality than are dreamt of in your worldview.
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@SkepticalOne
Except where it isn't - which you've already acknowledged.
Yes it is, and no I didn't acknowledge that.
Except when we all had female genitalia. This is a clear cut case of special pleading on your part.
No biological man ever had female genitalia, the only sign of that is our nipples.
Think of it as a split in the road.
Some of us split off and became men, and the others split off and became women.
Again, you've already acknowledged exceptions.
No, I made exceptions for the genitalia part. Not the chromosome part. Every human is born with either male or female chromosomes. No exceptions.
Except where it doesn't. You are discounting a group of people that are as numerous as people with red hair. There are more things in reality than are dreamt of in your worldview.
Cannibalism is wrong yes?
Most societies' throughout history would agree.
A small percentage would disagree.
Does the small percentage that disagree make cannibalisms ok or right?
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@oromagi
"Every leftist will stand up for every citizen's right to have an opinion." How do you reconcile this statement with the existence of the leftist cancel culture so prominent in society today?
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@YouFound_Lxam
Except when we all had female genitalia. This is a clear cut case of special pleading on your part.No biological man ever had female genitalia, the only sign of that is our nipples.
Just let me try to understand what you're saying...a clitoris (which everyone who has ever existed has possessed) isn't female genitalia? This has become absurd. I encourage you to take a step back and re-evaluate your position.
No, I made exceptions for the genitalia part. Not the chromosome part. Every human is born with either male or female chromosomes. No exceptions.
If chromosomes are absolute...how do you think intersex people exist?
Except where it doesn't. You are discounting a group of people (intersex people) that are as numerous as people with red hair. There are more things in reality than are dreamt of in your worldview.Cannibalism is wrong yes?Most societies' throughout history would agree.A small percentage would disagree.Does the small percentage that disagree make cannibalisms ok or right?
This response has no discernable relevance to intersex or red-headed people. Being intersex and/or red-headed is not a moral question.
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@SkepticalOne
Gender affirming medical treatment on minors is rare. From 2019 - 2021, less than 60 genital surgeries were performed.
Scale is hardly relevant. If it's only one, but a right the laws are wrong. If it's a hundred thousand but abuse, the laws are right.
No, I made exceptions for the genitalia part. Not the chromosome part. Every human is born with either male or female chromosomes. No exceptions.If chromosomes are absolute...how do you think intersex people exist?
Why pretend this matters when the trans cult won't accept any biological standard whatsoever? It's a "social construct" (and by society they mean them and not you the filthy transphobe) when it needs to be. When it comes to surgeries and hormone blockers biology is back to being relevant, but at no other times.
You plumb the depths of biological exception to no possible revelation.
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@badger
Seems pretty black and white to me. Or red and blue in this case.
You are an IT simpleton.
- and creamy, but quite irrelevant.
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@YouFound_Lxam
-->@<<<oromagi>>>False. Every leftist will stand up for every citizen's right to have an opinion.Unless you want the freedom to have guns, make abortions illegal, make castration and cutting off of limbs for children illegal, making child pornography illegal, confronting corrupt democratic officials, and etc.
- Still false. By definition, leftists believe that every citizen has a right to an opinion on any subject. Your definition of left/right seems to be coming from Tik Tok and Tucker and not from studying the Tennis Court Oath. Please educate yourself on the meaning of the terms you use before you use them.
Leftists seek to minimize government regulation of human organs and natural processes.You do know that leftists fight more government intervention, right?
- Correct. Leftists seek to minimize government intervention in the lives of citizens. For example, leftists argue that corporations like Twitter are free to do business with who they like without any intervention into that market by the Federal government, as rightists demands.
I think you're thinking about libertarians.
- No, you are using Tucker Carlson's definitions of words rather than the dictionary. When you use non-biased expert sources, you discover that "Scholars distinguish libertarian views on the nature of property and capital, usually along left–right or socialist–capitalist lines. Libertarians of various schools were influenced by liberal ideas. Libertarianism originated as a form of left-wing politics such as anti-authoritarian and anti-state socialists like anarchists especially social anarchists, but more generally libertarian communists/Marxists and libertarian socialists" (Wikipedia)
- You are thinking about Rand Paul who is only anti-Goverment when he has to pay to taxes and is fine with police violence and government pussy inspections. Barry Goldwater was the last Libertarian in the Republican Party and left that party in disgust at Republican's rejection of American Conservatism.
Children in the womb are not property. They are not defined by where they are located.
- Oops. Read what I wrote again.
Conservatism prioritizes the baby's right to the mother's womb, and Leftism prioritizes the mothers right to kill a child.
- Conservatism values traditional solutions to social problems over untested new solutions. When the founding fathers were making the laws, abortion was so commonplace that Ben Franklin could offer home abortion recipes in his newspaper without causing any consternation but no women were going to jail for seeking abortions. American Conservatism is Leftist by definition and your attempt to paint the radical, populism of MAGA as Conservative is without any academic or historic merit.
Then explain the issue I proposed.
- I've already demonstrated that your argument is formally broken.
- Your conclusions are based on a primitive, Tucker-style poltical dichotomy with no relation to the tenants of political science.
- Your first proposition is fatally stupid:
- P1: Leftism says that citizens' freedom of thought concerning abortions rights should be limited to women.
- You are conflating Leftists with members of the American Democratic Party. Not at all the same thing.
- You don't seem to undersand the dictionary definition of Leftism.
- You can't provide one example of a left-leaning politician publicly stating that some citizens are not entitled to their own opinion on any subject under any condition. Suppressing opinion is a RIght-wing character flaw.
- To quote Bernard Baruch's leftist position: "Every man has the right to an opinion but no man has a right to be wrong in his facts. Nor, above all, to persist in errors as to facts."
- Your facts are wrong. Your conclusion depends on a foundation of false assertions.
You are an IT simpleton.
But I can solve leetcode questions like nobody's business.
- and creamy, but quite irrelevant.
Was for the benefit of our friend.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I don't believe in "conversion therapy", but I hate to see a youngster so conflicted, how about next time you get excited thinking about trans genitals, take a cold shower, that might help.Yes, I hate to see children with gender dysphoria too, which is why we need to stop making it so popular and causing more children to fall victim to this.
You're also fighting to preserve the Aryan purity of fairy tale mermaids, you're like a superhero trying to save our civilization, maybe you should wear a cape..
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@sadolite
->@<<<oromagi>>>"Every leftist will stand up for every citizen's right to have an opinion." How do you reconcile this statement with the existence of the leftist cancel culture so prominent in society today?
- Easy: everybody has the right to an opinion, not just people you agree with. I have the right to say "fuck that pervert, I'm never listening to that evil bastard again." Twitter has a right to say "fuck those traitors- kick them off our stage and never associate our good name with theirs ever again."
- Cancel culture is a phenomenon in which those who are deemed to have acted or spoken in an unacceptable manner are ostracized, boycotted or shunned.
- Freedom of expression means I can ostracize, boycott, or shun you for any reason and you may not ask the Government to make me listen to you.
- Your right to an opinion does not protect your opinion from any correction, mockery, derision, etc.
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@oromagi
I see, so if you say something I don't like I am free to destroy you financially and ruin your life. Good to know. All this time I thought doing such things was considered intolerance of other peoples opinions and the acts of cowards. Thanks for enlightening me.
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@sadolite
-->@<<<oromagi>>>I see, so if you say something I don't like I am free to destroy you financially and ruin your life.
- That's right. I shouldn't have to explain to you that you owe me no fiduciary duty. Obviously, people who hinge their financial stability on their widespread popularity would be fools to make controversial poltical statements. That just marketing 101. The First Ammendment does not protect fools from bankruptcy.
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@YouFound_Lxam
So, you guys say that you can't have an opinion on abortion if you don't have a uterus, right?
Wrong. Everyone has a right to their own opinion and always will, this is a basic human right.
What leftists are actually doing is pointing out the audacity of advocating for laws which restrict one's rights to their own body while sitting comfortably in the position of never facing that possiblity yourself.
But then you guys also say that you don't need a uterus to be a woman, right?
Wrong. Words in different contexts carry different meanings. On the subject of abortion, when we use the term woman we are generally talking about people with uteruses.
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@YouFound_Lxam
Liberals middle name is "contradiction" and a nickname is "hypocrite"!!!
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@oromagi
K then. And all this time I thought having an opposing view point meant I could have one without having my life destroyed. Learn something new everyday. Free speech isn't free, it will cost you your entire life. I'll be sure to keep my mouth shut and do and think what I am told. The risk and cost is to great to express an opinion publicly. You win, everything you think and believe is what I think and believe. As a matter of fact I want to go on record and say I think and believe what anyone thinks and believes , I agree with everything everyone says. I should be safe now.
You know this gives me a great idea. I will just start every conversation with I agree with everything you say think and believe and just say I am playing devils advocate and throw out unpopular or alternative view points. That way you cant say they are my view points and destroy my life for having a unpopular or differing view point. problem solved.