We all have the right to our freedom, no one has a right to hold public office. Criminal trial standards to do not apply to the 14th amendment.
the presumption of innocence
@<<<TWS1405_2>>>Sure, out of context. The definition I used was provided within the context of the discussion about J6, NOT the St. Floyd Riots of 2020. Big fucking difference. Both events are mutually exclusive, therefore the same definition given (#163) of insurrection does not applyThis is the most transparently hypocritical rebuttal I’ve ever heard. I can’t believe you actually wrote this.Please, enlighten us with your command over the English language and explain why each occurrence gets its own separate definition and how language is supposed to work when we use different definitions with completely different standards in order to compare two different things.
you cannot say with absolutism that not a single person would not be present J6 to rightly protest and voice their grievances in redress to the government.Plenty of people were there for only this purpose.
That’s irrelevant to this conversation. Remember when liberals argued that the 2020 riots were “mostly peaceful” and you flipped your shit because you didn’t care about the peaceful protesters, all you wanted to focus on were the burners and looters? Now apply that same standard here.
January 6th was committed by thousands of rioters, each with their own specific purpose and goal.
Some were there to commit seditious conspiracy, some were there to hang the VP, some were there to fight with DC police, some were just going with the flow… you’re always going to have someone you can point to who didn’t fit the characterization of that day. That doesn’t take away from the overall picture of what happened.
What makes it an insurrection are the motivations behind it. Specifically, the motivations of the person who organized and cultivated it.
That would be Donald Trump.
Every single person involved was following his lead.
If he announces on November 8th that the election was won by Biden fair and square and prepares for a peaceful transition, no one shows up to Washington, there is no rally, the Capitol is never breached, January 6th is yet another day no one remembers just like every other election cycle. They were there because he very clearly signaled to them that he wanted them there.
It was all part of his plot ...
I would say the framers of the 14th amendment certainly had this in mind.
And they breached the Capitol due to the egging on by undercover FBI agents and others in the crowds, and Capitol Police moved barricades, opened doors, and just stood around after the breach happened. All of this is documented in video evidence that you cannot refute.The Capitol police stood down once the Capitol was breached and they realized they were clearly outmanned. It was the best decision they could make given the circumstances, further resistance would have only lead to more people getting hurt.
The idea that this was somehow organized by the FBI as some plot to take down Trump is egregiously stupid. 140 Capitol police officers were injured that day, I would really love to know what you think that meeting looked like as they sat there planning how they were going to egg on thousands of people to attack themselves and then proceeded to get hurt in the process and then none of them ever spoke about it since. This is 9/11 - Sandy Hook level of absurdity.
Trump did not hold a gun to anyone's head and forced them to breach the CapitolThat’s not how incitement works
Not one rioter in 2020 burned or looted because Maxine Waters told them to.Sure, they did, and in every other riot thereafter. She gave them carte blanche to do it going forward.Now you’re not even pretending to be serious.Provide a shred of evidence that a single rioter was doing so because Maxine Waters told them so. Go.
No, they did not. Saying so doesn't make it so. Especially with a so-called committee ran entirely by democrats suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome locking out any and all Republican input. It was an entirely one-sided shit show that didn't even include contradictory video evidence that refuted much of their asinine assertions.They didn’t block out all republican input, only input from a select group of republicans who had no intention of seriously investigating the events and in some cases were themselves key witnesses to the heart of the investigation.
There is no evidence which contradicts the committee’s general findings, only snippets of information that might appear so at first but ignore the greater story.
I have the academic and professional training/experience that equips me with the requisite knowledge, intellect and experience with the subject matter.I have always been skeptical of this, now I know it’s bullshit. It’s not only that you are ignorant of basic concepts in how the law works, it’s more importantly that you demonstrate an inability to engage in productive rational conversation.
You consistently accuse me of sophistry,
implying that this is a reason to not engage with me, but anyone who has ever presented a legal a argument knows that this is what the legal arena is all about.
For anyone to thrive in that arena they need to expect it and know how to deal with it. You don’t. When presented with anything you consider sophistry you immediately engage in insults followed by chest pumping. No qualified professional would ever conduct themselves in this way.
So no, you are clearly not what you claim. I’m so sorry life didn’t work out the way you hoped. Get over it.
-->@prefixthe presumption of innocenceIs for criminal trials.
The 14th amendment does not negate the foundation of the presumption of innocence found in other amendments and case law.
-->@prefixThe 14th amendment does not negate the foundation of the presumption of innocence found in other amendments and case law.Again, this isn’t a criminal trial.
Again, this isn’t a criminal trial. Presidential candidates are being vetted for the most powerful position on earth, that is a level of trust that must be earned, not presumed.
"The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials."
Ideals are not enough apparently.Arbitrary Laws don't keep a country together. Ideals do. Even if you have to compromise laws to maintain the common ideals.
Two different circumstances can dictate different meanings of the same word you dumbass!!!
What I rebutted stands factually accurate. You cannot say with absolutism that not a single person would not be present J6 and protest and voice their grievances in redress to the government of their own accord.
About time you admitted they had their own motives and were not following Trump's "orders." Glad that's put to rest.
Still a walk in the park compared to the 2020 St Floyd Riots. Over 60,000 officers attacked and more than 30% sustaining injuries.
That’s not how incitement worksNeither does giving a speech defending and asserting the 1A informing American voters that they have a right to voice their grievances to the government and to do so peacefully.
You consistently accuse me of sophistry,Yeah, and I am not the only one either who sees through your bullshit.
2) Your neighbor hates you
That's the only problem you could think of? Nothing about being a direct contradiction of the democratic premise?The big problem with any efforts to prevent him from running for president, is those feed directly into his emasculated victim narrative.
The 2 greatest political lies:
1) Government cares about you.2) Your neighbor hates you.
Is that a quote from Hitler?
OMG, do you think Trump will be imprisoned like Hitler was?
DO you think he will write Mein Trumpf while he is in prison?
If we've come to a point where any major segment of the population is willing to say that they can simply declare individuals traitors and ineligible then the inevitable next step is for all opposing factions to start claiming the same thing, perhaps tongue in cheek; but no less earnest.That's the last step before secession or war.Watch: Biden committed insurrection by having the biggest voter fraud network in history (his own words). Therefore he "shall not be" president (or hold any other office). Therefore he's not the president.
And people like you are exactly who he recognized he could manipulate from the start
