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@Fruit_Inspector
do you believe an oppressor/oppressed relationship also exists ?
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@Mesmer
The country's people need to be at the ready to fight against tyranny when the government decides to overreach. If you're not ready to fight for freedom, you simply won't end up with it (eventually).
Well stated.
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@Wylted
you know the real criticisms are that commies are using blacks as cannon fodder, right?You are dumb enough to think this is a race issue, are you?
I believe in skin-tone.
The entire discussion of "race" is a ridiculous RED-HERRING.
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@Lit
Theists don't just stick to believing that God exists and that's it - God existing usually entails a life conduct in some manner.
Great point.
An APATHEIST doesn't really care if god(s) exist or not.
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@oromagi
Each debater is obligated to define terms up front, as conditional to the discussion.
Well stated.
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@TheMorningsStar
Why is this? Why hold onto a definition that is rejected by academics? Especially those here, on a website designed for debating? Why not use the definitions used in academia?
Because language is not dictatorial.
Dictionaries document common usage.
Dictionaries do not create immutable concepts.
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@Fruit_Inspector
At it's core, it is just another attempt to create an oppressor/oppressed relationship.
So would you say that "oppression" doesn't exist ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
If you're looking for a "true source" of the ideology of today, then Hegel would probably be the place to go. Even the term "neo-Marxism" would not exactly be accurate to describe what we are today. The term "Woke" or "Wokeness" is used now to describe the current stage we are seeing in this progression.
And do you consider yourself a post-Hegelian ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
At it's core, it is just another attempt to create an oppressor/oppressed relationship. Just like Marxism.
You're talking about THE HEGELIAN DIALECTIC.
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@dfss9788
99.9% of the genome is the same.
Well stated.
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@Mesmer
The argument for human races stands alone by itself.
The fact that racism existed BEFORE genetic markers were discovered eliminates the possibility that racism is caused by an awareness of genetic markers.
Nobody on the planet is disputing that HUMANS ARE DIVERSE AND INHERIT SOME CHARACTERISTICS FROM THEIR PARENTS.
You don't need a biopsy syringe to figure that one out.
What we seem to be disputing is that LUMPING RUSSIANS AND ITALIANS AND IRISH AND GREEKS AND ALGERIANS AND EGYPTIANS INTO A SINGLE GROUP, and calling this group, "WHITE AMERICANS" IS 100% ARBITRARY.
How do you explain this obvious intra-group genetic diversity ?
How do you explain HALF-BREEDS ?
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@Mesmer
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@Greyparrot
This is pretty funny, but I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
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@Greyparrot
Let's see if you can resist the temptation to censor yourself long enough to read this.
Why can't you answer a simple question ?
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@Mesmer
You might like this,Stanford University's AI can tell if you're gay or straight from a photoWhat does this have to do with race realism (you know, the thread's topic)?
PERHAPS YOU ALSO SUBSCRIBE TO "SEXUAL-ORIENTATION-REALISM".
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@Mesmer
Among the "races", Africans have a much higher level of genetic diversity than the other "races" combined.If there were meaningful human "races", most of them would be African.Nope.When K = 3 and at least 100 genetic markers are used, 'Africans' are genetically distinct from 'Asians' and 'Europeans' at 100% Human Population Genetic Structure and Inference of Group Membership (nih.gov) .
YOU'RE BASICALLY SAYING THAT IF YOU FACTOR-OUT THE KNOWN DIFFERENCES BETWEEN AFRICANS, THEN THEY MAGICALLY BECOME SIMILAR.
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@Mesmer
Race realism isn't built upon just "perceivable differences". It's built upon research and data that show "perceivable differences" are scientifically sound concepts (e.g. race).A CLASSIC CASE OF A CONCLUSION SEARCHING DESPERATELY FOR A JUSTIFICATION.How did you reach that conclusion?
Gathering data to merely confirm a pre-existing perception is a perfect example of MOTIVATED-REASONING.
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@Greyparrot
And what do you suppose is the main cause of "single-motherhood" ?A cultural shift that happened after 1965.
And do you suppose this seismic post-65 shift had some proximal cause ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
So this, "neo-marxism" stuff is the true source of Systemic-Racism™ in Hindu culture for the past 5000 years ?No. Systemic racism, as it is most widely used in the current cultural context of the U.S.A., is part of a larger ideology that can be identified as neo-Marxism.
So, I checked into it, since you've made it into your own personal boogeyman, and it turns out that "Neo-Marxism" is a meta-theory.
It's a theory of how humans function in a post-industrial society by attaching their personal identity to a BRAND and or a PERSON.
For example, someone might describe themselves as a "star-wars fan" or a "marvel comics fan" or a "coke drinker" or a "pepsi drinker" or a "trump fan" or a "republican" or an "SJW" or whatever.
"Neo-Marxism" recognizes this new landscape of modern TRIBALISM and examines the interplay between the TRIBES and the dynamics within each TRIBE.
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@oromagi
since mods censored me at GP's request
Nice.
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@oromagi
Why do conservatives always want to censor everything ?Well, that might be a bit of hyperbole but the essence of conservatism has always been the preservation of crown, church, and country. As we've established, suppressing ideas that weaken the authority of those establishment is highly effective at slowing the expansion of civil rights and human freedom.
Well stated.
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@Greyparrot
The greatest oppressor in 2021 of Americans is single motherhood creating criminals and psychopaths, regardless of skin color.
And what do you suppose is the main cause of "single-motherhood" ?
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@Mesmer
Refugees are nothing but a burden on a country.
The overwhelming majority of humans living in the united states are the descendants of poor immigrants.
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@zedvictor4
So it is really a case of where does one begin categorising and stop sub-categorising.
And whether or not these purely subjective and arbitrary categories and sub-categories are "REAL".
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@Greyparrot
I didn't mean to derail your tread about CRT, but why would you willfully censor your own understanding of the world?
Watch this and then tell me about "self-censorship",
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@Greyparrot
Can you clearly and simply state your claim ?
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@Mesmer
Certain populations are simply better at things than others. For examples, Asians do extremely well on schooling tests, regardless of where you put them. You can then gear your economy to their better ability to learn things
Would you call yourself an "asian-supremicist" ?
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@Mesmer
They aren't "meaningless labels" lol. Their labels which reflect the genetic reality of humans.
WHAT DO YOU CALL THE HALF-BREEDS ?
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@oromagi
In the venn diagram of people discussing CRT there is no overlap between the set of people who have an accurate understanding of the subject and the set of people who think public policy needs to censor and suppress CRT.
Why do conservatives always want to censor everything ?
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@Greyparrot
What does this vid have to do with Critical-Race-Theory™ ?Did you watch?
I skimmed it.
I generally don't watch past the point where they start repeating themselves.
Please explain what you think the important bit is ?
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@oromagi
Is LEROY CROW something you're making up to satirize reverse Jim Crowism or is there some definition I just don't see?
I'd hate to steal the credit for this unmitigated stroke-of-genius.
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@Greyparrot
Furious mom slams child’s school for ‘Black classes’ only
What does this vid have to do with Critical-Race-Theory™ ?
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@oromagi
People don't rebel because of lack of freedom. People rebel when they are given enough freedom to think for themselves and organize new centers of power and when those new centers of power are threatened, they fight for their lives.People with no freedom- southern slaves, Russian serfs, etc have little capacity to organize or publicize. They might rebel against immediate circumstance but they never organize to the level of political revolution on the nation-state level.
Well stated.
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@Greyparrot
There is no reason to believe the "OP" was addressed to these specific people.These people are lecturing against CRT.
One vid is of a mother complaining that she is being cautioned by school officials that her kid might be placed in an "all white class" when presumably she'd strongly prefer to be in an INTEGRATED CLASS.
The other vid is a couple of knuckleheads offering their opinions on the first vid.
I'm not detecting any LECTURE.
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@Fruit_Inspector
It is the ideology from which the whole concept of systemic racism comes from.
I see.
So this, "neo-marxism" stuff is the true source of Systemic-Racism™ in Hindu culture for the past 5000 years ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
You can't consistently argue against systemic racism and for the Supreme Court to respect the Constitution - a systemically racist document.
Sure you can.
Systemic-Racism™ is not a monolith.
There are many types of Systemic-Racism™ and it manifests in many different forms and has many different proximate causes.
Any Systemic-Racism™ that may or may not be contained within the constitution is unlikely to invalidate the whole.
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@Greyparrot
Is this perhaps the specific bit that contains the elusive point you're hypothetically driving at ?
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@Greyparrot
Citation please.Per OP.
There is no reason to believe the "OP" was addressed to these specific people.
And funny enough, I'd know if it was.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Neo-Marxism
What the hell is neo-marxism ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
Ok, so what's your policy proposal ?That question shows me you still don't know what we're discussing.
Feel free to explain.
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@Greyparrot
I don't know why you think these Black lecturers are "freaking out"
Citation please.
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@Wylted
I'd like to see some evidence of this, or at very least a theory presented as to why that might be true.
Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo - since 1979
José Eduardo dos Santos - since 1979
Robert Mugabe - since 1980
Paul Biya - since 1982
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@Fruit_Inspector
You can't consistently argue against systemic racism and for the Supreme Court to respect the Constitution - a systemically racist document.
Ok, so what's your policy proposal ?
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@Greyparrot
I don't have a visceral hatred toward Blacks lecturing people on why segregating by skin color is a very bad idea.
And neither do I.
I'm still not sure what point you're trying to make.
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@Greyparrot
You really need to check your skin color privilege bro.
What do these video clips mean to you ?
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@Greyparrot
Because you hate black people lecturing you?Wild guess.
Not a great guess.
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@Wylted
CENSORSHIP is like an inoculation against REVOLUTION.Revolutions are usually a result from lack of freedom. Not sure how restricting freedom, prevents it
It drives potential revolutionaries underground.
And if done properly, it can prevent revolution altogether.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Do you even know what we are discussing right now?
I'm following your lead.
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@RationalMadman
It is actually complex and requires testing to see which race their organs and blood behave closest to, out of their mix.
It's much more complex than you think.
You can't diagnose someone purely based on their their skin-tone.
HOwEVER,
You can most certainly Hate SOMEONE purely based on their skin-tone.
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