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@Fruit_Inspector
Where do you think these "private charities" are going to get all their donations ?If that level of income loss happens, where will the government get enough tax dollars to fully support everyone through welfare programs? The government has to take money from someone before they can give money to someone else.
The government does not NEED your tax money.
Consider FDR's New-Deal.
Most people at the time had no income to tax in the first place.
The reason income is taxed at all is to pay the private banking cartel their yearly 6% dividend and to keep inflation from spiraling out of control.
If you work for a private resort, you'll be sitting pretty.
If you don't happen to work for a private resort, everything around you will start to look like Brightmoor.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Criminalization will not solve the problemIt will not solve the problem of people wanting sex without the responsibility of parenthood. It will solve the problem of people being able to legally poison or dismember their children.
Are you trying to help people or punish them ?
In countries where abortion is illegal, women are much more likely to suffer permanent injury and or death from improvised infanticide.
If you really want to HELP WOMEN and BABIES, let's do that.
The (mostly religious) crisis-pregnancy-centers are a step in the right direction.
The main "problem" is that after the child is born, women are kicked out of the "we want to help you" circle.
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@SkepticalOne
*edit* ...and just for the record Parrot boy blocked me for pointing out his ignorance. That's seriously hysterical!
100% THIS.
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@Greyparrot
states that despite the vaccine being here for months, the majority of conservatives aren't fully vaccinatedYour source also conveniently leaves out that the most of the minorities in Democrat urban dystopias also haven't been vaccinated. Wonder why that is?
"racism"
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@Fruit_Inspector
- We encourage people to provide for themselves instead of living off of taxpayer-funded welfare.
The number one job for men in the usa is "driver".
The number one job for women in the usa is "retail clerk".
Drivers are being replaced by self-driving-vehicles and automated drone delivery services.
Retail clerks are being replaced by amazon.com who is also in the process of replacing their warehouse workers with robots.
GPT3 is making computer programming obsolete.
Where do you think these "private charities" are going to get all their donations ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
- We criminalize abortion to prevent the 2nd leading cause of death in America.
Criminalization will not solve the problem AND it will increase TOTAL COST TO TAXPAYERS ($40,000.00 per year per person + court fees + enforcement expenses + stripping personal privacy protections of all citizens).
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@Fruit_Inspector
Obviously, "god" is impotent and or refuses to fix any of the problems they created, so, either way, it's appears to be up to you and me.Apparently, justice for the spilled blood of innocent babies is not on your list of problems to fix.
Making abortion illegal will not save lives.
You have to look at this from the perspective of a young person who finds themselves in this type of predicament.
How can we make it seem realistic for a young single mother, afraid of being disowned, to be able to live and thrive ?
If having a child appears to be more advantageous than ending the pregnancy prematurely, then the "abortion problem" will solve itself.
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@Fruit_Inspector
CAN YOU FOR ONE SECOND FOCUS ON HELPING PEOPLE INSTEAD OF YOUR SEEMING OBSESSION WITH PUNISHING PEOPLE ?CAN YOU FOR ONE SECOND FOCUS ON SAVING INNOCENT CHILDRENS' LIVES INSTEAD OF PUSHING FOR SOCIALISM?
Throwing people in prison at the cost of $40,000.00 per person per year is SOCIALISM.
I would love to not only SAVE the lives of as many humans as possible, but also insure they have some baseline standard of living.
And I'm not sure why you seem to ONLY care about humans BEFORE they are born and DGAF about the rest of them.
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@Fruit_Inspector
(IFF) there is no god (THEN) we must decide for ourselves what kind of world we want to live in.I'm sure you feel that way.
Obviously, "god" is impotent and or refuses to fix any of the problems they created, so, either way, it's appears to be up to you and me.
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@Fruit_Inspector
An unwanted-foetus is just a smaller homeless person.By this logic, we either have to criminalize the murder of babies, or legalize the murder of homeless people.
CAN YOU FOR ONE SECOND FOCUS ON HELPING PEOPLE INSTEAD OF YOUR SEEMING OBSESSION WITH PUNISHING PEOPLE ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
(IFF) GOD MADE THIS MESS (THEN) GOD SHOULD FIX IT(IFF) WILLFUL HUMAN SIN MADE THIS MESS (THEN)....what?
(IFF) there is no god (THEN) we must decide for ourselves what kind of world we want to live in
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@Fruit_Inspector
Not only that, but lack of taxpayer-funded welfare is not a justification for murdering babies.
It's a question of RESPONSIBILITY.
Should we let homeless people die simply because they are unable to care for themselves ?
An unwanted-foetus is just a smaller homeless person.
If you want to live in a society where "ALLLIVESMATTER" then we really need to start acting like "ALLLIVESMATTER".
MAKING LAWS AGAINST BEING POOR AND STUPID WILL ONLY END UP COSTING YOU $40,000.00 /yr PER STUPID POOR PERSON.
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@Fruit_Inspector
I do not consider universal healthcare and universal basic income to be welfare.
WTF.
I SAID "SAFETY-NET".
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@Fruit_Inspector
Blame god.If God is made up, then you can't use this excuse. If God is real, then sin is the problem, not God.
(IFF) GOD MADE THIS MESS (THEN) GOD SHOULD FIX IT
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@Fruit_Inspector
# 2 ABORTION - 619,591
According to the 2016 Yearbook of Immigration Statistics, the United States admitted a total of 1.18 million legal immigrants (618k new arrivals, 565k status adjustments) in 2016. [**]
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@Fruit_Inspector
The fundamental problem is people want sex
Blame god.
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@Fruit_Inspector
We have the most generous welfare program in the world,
Citation please.
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@Fruit_Inspector
There's an easy solution to ending this fight: stop trying to legalize the nationwide slaughter of babies which constitutes the #2 leading cause of death in the U.S.
There's an easy solution to ending this fight: start paying for child-care and healthy food for 619,591 new citizens every year.
If you want to force unfit mothers to pop-out babies, you need to create a proper safety-net.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Do you know what the second leading cause of death was in the U.S. in 2018?
# 1 HEART DISEASE - 659,041
# 2 CANCER - 599,601
# 3 ACCIDENTS - 173,040 [**]
A total of 619,591 abortions for 2018 were reported to CDC from 49 reporting areas. [**]
You might be surprised to learn that in the United States a woman coping with the heartbreak of losing her pregnancy might also find herself facing jail time. Say she got in a car accident in New York or gave birth to a stillborn in Indiana: In such cases, women have been charged with manslaughter.
In fact, a fetus need not die for the state to charge a pregnant woman with a crime. Women who fell down the stairs, who ate a poppy seed bagel and failed a drug test or who took legal drugs during pregnancy — drugs prescribed by their doctors — all have been accused of endangering their children.
So what motivates these prosecutions? The reality is that, in many cases, these women are collateral damage in the fight over abortion. As the legal debate over a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy has intensified, so too has the insistence of anti-abortion groups that fertilized eggs and fetuses be granted full rights and the protection of the law — an extreme legal argument with little precedent in American law before the 1970s.
Frustrated by the Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion, many in the anti-abortion movement hope for a sweeping rollback under a conservative Supreme Court — one that would block access to abortion even in states that protect women’s access to such health services. [**]
Teen birth rates peaked at 96.3 per 1,000 in 1957, the midst of the baby boom, after having risen dramatically following the end of World War II. But the composition of teen mothers has changed drastically. Back in 1960, most teen mothers – an estimated 85% – were married. Today, the majority of teen births (89%) are to unmarried mothers. [**]
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@Fruit_Inspector
"I wouldn't suggest you throw your baby in the ditch, but it's totally fine if you do."While this is an uncharitable summary, I don't think it is inaccurate. But the fundamental issue seems to involve the first question: where do human rights come from? If the answer is reason, you just have to find a logical pathway to justify killing babies. Treating the parent/child relationship like a contract that can be negated is one way to do this. It may not violate your reason, but it will send you down a dark path.
Every human death is a tragedy.
114 people die every minute.
6829 people die every hour.
163,898 people die every single day.
You're wasting your time trying to "save" teeny tiny babies when statistically, making abortions illegal does not significantly impact infant mortality.
You really get the most bang for your buck (number of human lives saved per dollar) by investing in mosquito nets and clean drinking water for people who are already born.
Pregnant women have enough to deal with already.
They certainly don't need total strangers to tell them what they can and can't do with their own bodies.
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@Fruit_Inspector
They're concepts, so they're conceived, once again, as a result of analyzing our condition. Rights are not granted; they simply are a product of moral analysis and principle.So they're made up.
Just like god.
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@Athias
If a mother prioritizes her own survival over that of her unborn child's, why would anyone else get a say?
Good question.
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@RationalMadman
LOL, so you just spread out guaranteed corruption rather than try to stop it properly?
10,000 relatively wealthy corrupt individuals are much less dangerous than 1 relatively wealthy corrupt individual with the resources of 10,000 relatively wealthy corrupt individuals.
And for the record, how would you "stop it properly" ?
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@Double_R
I would just look around and take notice that nearly everyone who has taken the pill is fine while 99% of the people who are hospitalized or dying haven’t taken the pill, and base my decision on that. But do you.
I know two people who had no chronic health issues before taking the mRNA "vaccine" and subsequently suffered from severe blood clots within weeks of receiving the "magical cure-all".
Certainly this may be sheer "coincidence", but it would seem some measure of caution is not "unreasonable".
ALSO,
CDC data also show that Americans, regardless of age group, are far more likely to die of something other than COVID-19. Even among those in the most heavily impacted age group (85 and older), only 13.3 percent of all deaths since February 2020 were due to COVID-19. [**]
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@Greyparrot
I still can't believe he projected without skipping a beat that ALL people project.
I don't pretend to know the motives and or general psychological and or moral state of anyone I happen to be speaking with.
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@n8nrgmi
148,494 adults who received a COVID-19 diagnosis during an emergency department (ED) or inpatient visit at 238 U.S. hospitals during March–December 2020, 28.3% had overweight and 50.8% had obesity (combined 79.1%). Overweight and obesity were risk factors for invasive mechanical ventilation, and obesity was a risk factor for hospitalization and death, particularly among adults aged <65 years. [**]
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@Dr.Franklin
maybe
Why is it a "good thing" for you and me to prevent crime, but "NOT a good thing" for GOD to prevent crime ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
As a citizen intervening, you are correct that stopping the murderer is my intent.
ABORTION = MURDER
OK,
Who do you believe is a higher MORAL priority,
A drug dealer (sackler family) who destroys hundreds of thousands of lives with addiction and overdoses,
OR,
A mafia (CIA) hit man who assassinates key officials,
OR,
A pregnant teenage girl.
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@Double_R
This is like telling someone you have a headache and they hand you an aspirin, and your response is "what are you really after?". It's paranoid and delusional.
When someone offers me a pill, I might consider taking it (I generally don't accept pills from strangers).
When someone tells me I must take their pill, or suffer the consequences, I'm much less likely to trust them.
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@Dr.Franklin
well, im trying my best
Do you think that maybe, perhaps, there might be a slight chance that if you pray hard enough, GOD might guide you to prevent some crimes ?
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@EtrnlVw
I don't see how this negates the fact that the will of the conscious soul is independent of the physical body and it's needs.
It demonstrates that EVEN IFF your "conscious soul" leaves your body, IT IS STILL SUBJECT TO THE MEMORIES AND GOALS accumulated, and therefore A SLAVE TO CAUSE AND EFFECT.
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@Athias
That still means 99.446% of the un-vaccinated would have survived this virus after being exposed to it for a period of 34 months (almost three years.)
Well stated.
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@Double_R
We desperately need to teach critical thinking and epistemology,
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@dfss9788
Israel is doing booster shots now,
Prepare to $ign up for your quarterly jab for the re$t of your life.
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@Fruit_Inspector
The most obvious method of deciphering the essential aspect is to look at the original text in the original language.Exactly! So what is the meaning of the original text grammatically?
- Those stumbling to slaughter others
- Those stumbling to be slaughtered
הַצֵּל לְקֻחִים לַמָּוֶת וּמָטִים לַהֶרֶג אִם־תַּחְשׂוֹ
24:11 haTZël l'quchiym laMäwet ûmä†iym lahereg im-Tach'sôkh'
24:11 haTZël l'quchiym laMäwet ûmä†iym lahereg im-Tach'sôkh'
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@Fruit_Inspector
Which would be morally preferable, preventing the death of orphans with violence or preserving the life of the terrorists with pacifism?
This is a false-choice.
First, there is an enormous amount of death and suffering on this planet which you and or I could conceivably prevent.
In your example, does the slaughter of "terrorists" SOLVE THE "PROBLEM" FOREVER ?
Or does it perhaps, MAKE IT WORSE ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
aRE yOU sUGGESTING tHE iNVERSE ?No. Both are incorrect when you understand the genre of historical narrative. This is why a consistent method of textual interpretation is critical.
The holy scripture does not explicitly prohibit or condemn suicide when suicide is specifically mentioned in the text.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Grammatically speaking, there should only be one correct answer. If you cannot even tell me what the phrase is actually saying, then we cannot take the next step of interpreting what the text means. So which option would be the grammatically correct one?
The grammar is mostly a stylistic choice made by the specific translator (not infallible).
The most obvious method of deciphering the essential aspect is to look at the original text in the original language.
I'M WAITING TO HEAR YOUR INTERPRETATION.
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@Greyparrot
78% of Americans that were hospitalized for Covid were also Obese.I'd say it's a better idea to hit the treadmill first before trusting your health to a shot. There was a fat chick that died in Louisiana after being fully vaccinated. And she was really fat.
Interestingly, both of my friends who experienced severe symptoms after being vaccinated were both overweight.
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@dfss9788
My ideas as to how vaccines function are not relevant. I am not an expert on the subject. Your claim that it's impossible for a vaccine to be more effective than immunity from exposure is not consistent with the [INCONCLUSIVE] results of the study. Your anecdote, even if it is true, carries little weight as it is a single case.
Your ideas as to how vaccines function are EXTREMELY RELEVANT.
Even a small child is capable of understanding the basic mechanism.
Also, I revealed my personal experience, not to "convince you" but rather as an example of "one-good-reason-not-to-get-vaccinated".
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@dfss9788
where's the link to the actual study.
Overall, 246 case-patients met eligibility requirements and
were successfully matched by age, sex, and date of initial infection with 492 controls. Among the population included in the
analysis, 60.6% were female, and 204 (82.9%) case-patients
were initially infected during October–December 2020
(Table 1). Among case-patients, 20.3% were fully vaccinated compared with 34.3% of controls (Table 2).
20% of 246 = 50
50 is a ridiculously small sample size.
Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 has been documented, but
the scientific understanding of natural infection-derived immunity is still emerging (5). The duration of immunity resulting
from natural infection, although not well understood, is suspected to persist for ≥90 days in most persons.
The findings in this report are subject to at least five limitations. First, reinfection was not confirmed through whole
genome sequencing, which would be necessary to definitively
prove that the reinfection was caused from a distinct virus relative to the first infection. Although in some cases the repeat
positive test could be indicative of prolonged viral shedding
or failure to clear the initial viral infection (9), given the time
between initial and subsequent positive molecular tests among
participants in this study, reinfection is the most likely explanation. Second, persons who have been vaccinated are possibly less likely to get tested. Therefore, the association of reinfection and lack of vaccination might be overestimated.
Fourth, although case-patients and controls were
matched based on age, sex, and date of initial infection, other
unknown confounders might be present.
For example, weight and general health were not considered.
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@Greyparrot
Everyone has vastly different risks from Covid. Getting a vaccine isn't necessary for the people that are at .01% risk or less.
Well stated.
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@Nyxified
Examples from one singular vaccine used by chickens isn't enough for me to believe half of the claims made tbh.
I would be interested in seeing the studies that support your claims.
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@n8nrgmi
those clots were like one in a million or something like that, the sorta thing that would be less likely than getting struck by lightning. i dont know the exact figure off hand, but it wasn't a 'significant' side effect.
I have two friends who had to be hospitalized for blood clots after receiving mRNA vaccines. In one, the blood clots caused paralysis of their left arm and left leg, causing them to fall and hit their head. The other friend died within a month of being vaccinated.
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@TheMorningsStar
As such I am waiting for more conclusive information on natural immunity, FDA approval, and better understanding of the risks of the vaccines. It does not help that the pharmaceutical companies are being protected right now, if someone faces horrible side-effects from getting vaccinated they cannot sue the manufacturer.
Well stated.
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@dfss9788
Immunity from natural infection starts to decline after 6 to 8 months. We know that fully vaccinated people still have good immunity after a year—and probably longer.
First, where's the link to the actual study.
Second, do you have any idea how a vaccination functions ?
A vaccine uses a weakened version of the biological threat which ONLY prompts your own immune system to recognize the threat.
It is impossible for a vaccine to be any more effective than exposure to the actual, full strength biological threat.
I also have a close personal friend who is the same age as myself, who has been vaccinated and they have been sick and unable to work since last April.
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@zedvictor4
And therein lies the dilemma that is consciousness with intellect.
Please explain.
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@Fruit_Inspector
But what if terrorists are about to bomb an Afghan orphanage? Is the military justified in killing those terrorists to save the lives of the Afghan children? Or are we just supposed to let it happen and then grieve the loss of life afterwards?
The united states military has never been deployed to protect an orphanage.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Again, that is a terrible method of interpretation. Can you answer the original question or not?
How can it possibly be a "terrible method of interpretation" ?
Locating a less AMBIGUOUS translation seems like a much better solution than trying to engage in "special pleading".
I'd also like to point out that you have not made your personally preferred interpretation of the verse clear.
It appears to be a directive for responsible parties (followers of the scriptures) to somehow prevent other individuals from placing themselves in harm's way.
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@Fruit_Inspector
- IF a passage mentions an action within the context of historical narrative
- AND that passage doesn't specifically mention that action as sinful
- THEN we can assume that action is not sinful
aRE yOU sUGGESTING tHE iNVERSE ?
- IF a passage mentions an action within the context of historical narrative
- AND that passage doesn't specifically mention that action as sinful
- THEN we can assume that action IS sinful
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