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@sadolite
STAR-Vote: A Secure, Transparent, Auditable, and Reliable Voting System [**]
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Is anything perfect.
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@Dr.Franklin
God is perfect
PERFECT GOD = PERFECT WORLD
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@Greyparrot
The whole election integrity narrative is simply controlled opposition from both parties to give the public an alternative theory as to why their vote doesn't matter to the elite oligarchs that run DC.
Transparent and anonymous ballots exist, but what's the fun in that?
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@Greyparrot
People's votes don't count anyway in a legitimate system. Laws are written and passed by lobbyists, not voters.
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Is anything perfect.
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@drlebronski
From an atheists perspective no but if you were talking someone religious for example a christian they would probably say god is perfect and has committed no sin otherwise they might say mary or jesus
I disagree.

Your personally preferred definition of "perfect" must be explicit.
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Why whites should ruthlessly murder their own felines
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@Wylted
Every second you waste looking after an animal could have instead been spent as labor toward the wellbeing of your people.
YOU'RE GOING TO LOVE THIS - - IN TWO MINUTES AND FORTY TWO SECONDS
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@zedvictor4
Discriminating against criminals would also be a crime then.
CRIMINALS ALSO HAVE INALIENABLE HUMAN RIGHTS

How would a non-discriminating system work?
PROCRUSTEAN LAW
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Systemic racism exists
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@Aryanman
92% of black people get welfare, plus the black thug stereotype is true and there is no justification for their crimes
Citation please.
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@Lemming
What we're dealing with is SAMPLE-BIAS, more specifically SURVIVOR-BIAS.
Well stated.
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@drlebronski
Photos of capital inmates shown to entry-level criminal justice students for them to evaluate the trustworthiness of the faces.
There is a widely cited study conducted in italy where identical resumes were sent to apply for jobs.

The only difference was that the attached photo was of a "more attractive" man or woman and the twin resume had an attached photo of an "average" or "unattractive" man or woman (all of roughly the same skin-tone).

The results showed that BOTH "attractive" men and "attractive" women have a significantly easier time getting call-backs.

Similar studies have been conducted for people standing trial.

Conviction rates are measurably higher for "less attractive" individuals.
Are you suggesting that black people are less "attractive"
I'M SUGGESTING THAT YOU CAN'T LEGISLATE WHAT SOMEONE FINDS ATTRACTIVE.

NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU "EDUCATE" SOMEONE YOU CAN'T CHANGE THEIR SEXUAL PREFERENCE.
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@drlebronski
All kids living in the United States have the right to a free public education. And the Constitution requires that all kids be given equal educational opportunity no matter what their race, ethnic background, religion, or sex, or whether they are rich or poor, citizen or non-citizen.
Black areas have significantly less school funding; school funding greatly determines your success and education.
ADJUSTING FOR POVERTY IN GENERAL WOULD "FIX" THE "PROBLEM".
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@drlebronski
Photos of capital inmates shown to entry-level criminal justice students for them to evaluate the trustworthiness of the faces.
There is a widely cited study conducted in italy where identical resumes were sent to apply for jobs.

The only difference was that the attached photo was of a "more attractive" man or woman and the twin resume had an attached photo of an "average" or "unattractive" man or woman (all of roughly the same skin-tone).

The results showed that BOTH "attractive" men and "attractive" women have a significantly easier time getting call-backs.

Similar studies have been conducted for people standing trial.

Conviction rates are measurably higher for "less attractive" individuals.
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@drlebronski
Throwing money at poor people doesn't have the best track record.
That's not throwing money at them its funding their underfunded areas and schools so they have equal opportunity.
All kids living in the United States have the right to a free public education. And the Constitution requires that all kids be given equal educational opportunity no matter what their race, ethnic background, religion, or sex, or whether they are rich or poor, citizen or non-citizen. [**]

School funding is a much broader "problem" than simply "race" (skin-tone).

For example, there are tiny-public-school-districts in some neighborhoods that have less than 200 homes.

These micro-public-schools are funded by high property values, and operate like de facto private schools.
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@drlebronski
Well first we would need to destroy the stereotype of black people being "thugs". i would suggest putting more funding into their neighborhoods as low funding is one of the primary reasons that they have a higher rate of crime. but there is probably a way better solution im not aware. 
Throwing money at poor people doesn't have the best track record.

It's easy to think that it's "black thugs" in popular media that "cause" what you might call "negative stereotypes".

But there is no shortage of "white thugs" in popular media.

The "problem" is that identical behavior, "italian mob", "russian mob", "irish mob", is "respected" and even "admired" while a more swarthy skin tone somehow turns sour.

Imagine watching a popular show like "Vikings".

Now imagine watching the same show, "Black Vikings".

CENSORSHIP can also be eliminated as a "fix".

Also this forum isn't about how we should fix its about if it exists.
I'm not sure why you might arbitrarily disqualify proposing "solutions" (which would obviously help us more precisely narrow down and define the "fix").
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@drlebronski
Photos of capital inmates shown to entry-level criminal justice students for them to evaluate the trustworthiness of the faces.
What is your proposed "fix" to this "problem" ?
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@drlebronski
Also if a person from a another country or his or her second language is english they would probably score lower which doesn't mean they are dumber.
JENSEN BUTTON BOX [**]
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@Lemming
If a person has a tribalistic bent for their family, or clan, or nation. It 'really doesn't matter if the other guy's smarter, or stronger, what matters to someone with such a bent, is whether their 'own people can survive, or better thrive. Defeat their enemies, even if superior.

If we focus on 'groups, as worthy of interest, how is the racist wrong for focusing on his 'own group, as worthy of interest?

The point I mean is, if different groups are recognized to exist, and helping one group will 'not help other groups, assuming one believes in a zero sum game.
For example, the 'ratio of groups to one another, in a percentage, in a country.
Well, if groups can be identified as being 'singular to themselves, one can assume their interests are as well.
It always begins with your own family, and then loosely spirals outward to your neighbors and people who you perceive to be "likely allies".

If one chooses to ignore race, and decide we'll all be interbred into a breed, then there's little problem.
But if 'interests are recognized, races 'clarified. . . 'well.
Even in areas where people have nearly indistinguishable skin-tone variations (and even the same religion), OTHER "CATEGORIES" ARE INVENTED IN ORDER TO FACILITATE "DISCRIMINATION" OF "THE OTHER".

The shocking thing is that for some strange reason, "skin-tone" discrimination has been escalated to the highest-possible-crime, and other forms of discrimination have been arbitrarily tacked on, like "sexgender" and "ablebodiedness" and "religionandorcreed" among others, but other forms of discrimination have been ignored.

(IFF) YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE DISCRIMINATION A CRIME (THEN) ALL DISCRIMINATION SHOULD BE A CRIME

also,

"RACISM" IS A THOUGHT CRIME
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@thett3
If there really was widespread systemic discrimination I don't think you'd need to use statistical modeling with who knows how many assumptions to tease it out, the raw numbers would do the job for you.
THE FUNDAMENTAL ATTRIBUTION ERROR
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@FLRW
The results show that police stopped and searched black and Latino drivers on the basis of less evidence than used in stopping white drivers, who are searched less often but are more likely to be found with illegal items.
THE FUNDAMENTAL ATTRIBUTION ERROR
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@Fruit_Inspector
"the systemic oppression of a racial group to the social, economic, and political advantage of another"
I mean, really, why else would anyone systematically oppress people based on their skin-tone if it wasn't to their own advantage ?
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@drlebronski
Yes white privilege exists if you are white your chances of getting pulled over without reason are significantly lower.
HOW WOULD YOU "FIX" THIS "PROBLEM" ?
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@Fruit_Inspector
All white people benefit from white privilege at the expense of other races, whether they admit it or not. And while the phrase "everything is racist" could be viewed as an oversimplified generalization, CRT is about examining society looking for any racial disparities which serve as "proof" that systemic racism exists. So the reason people say "everything is racist" is because you can examine anything - even the ratio of trees in white and black neighborhoods - and point to it as a form of systemic racism. These "proofs" are outcomes of power structures created to benefit white people.

Please explain how this is not concurrent with Critical Race Theory in an American context? Is UCLA just as wrong as DiAngelo apparently is?
THE FUNDAMENTAL ATTRIBUTION ERROR MAKES "RACISM" OBSOLETE
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Should the KKK be considered a terrorist group?
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@Lemming
it is not considered terrorism by the state conducting it, making legality a largely grey-area issue.
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@zedvictor4
Any gang with a propensity for violence is a terrorist group.  
So, you've just described the NYPD.
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@drlebronski
Please make your personally preferred definition of "terrorist" explicit.
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@thett3
yeah the race essentialism is very, very bad and needs to be stopped.
It's also worth noting that the usage of "white people" or a "white race" for a large group of mainly or exclusively European populations, defined by their light skin, among other physical characteristics, and contrasting with "black", "red", "brown", "yellow", and other "colored" people or "persons of color", originated in the 17th century. Prior to this, Europeans also described people from East Asia as being "white". It was only during the 19th century that this vague category was transformed in a pseudo-scientific system of race and skin color relations. [**]

White Americans are Americans who identify as and are perceived to be white people. [**]

"identify as" - - there is no "blood test" - - it's pure, unfiltered "SELF-DEFINITION"

The characterization of Middle Eastern and North African Americans as white has been a matter of controversy. In the early 20th century, there were a number of cases where people of Arab descent were denied entry into the United States or deported, because they were characterized as nonwhite.[21] In 1944, the law changed, and Middle Eastern and North African peoples were granted white status. In 2015, the US Census endorsed the idea of creating a separate racial category for Middle Eastern and North African Americans in the 2020 Census, but this plan was discarded when the Trump Administration came to power.

In cases where individuals do not self-identify, the U.S. census parameters for race give each national origin a racial value.
Additionally, people who reported Muslim (or a sect of Islam such as Shi'ite or Sunni), Jewish, Zoroastrian, or Caucasian as their "race" in the "Some other race" section, without noting a country of origin, are automatically tallied as White.[22] The US Census considers the write-in response of "Caucasian" or "Aryan" to be a synonym for White in their ancestry code listing.[23]

Middle Eastern and North African peoples were granted white status.
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@Fruit_Inspector
Just so I'm not misunderstanding you, your intention was to bait me into arguing a point that was off topic - a point that you now admit misrepresented my position? And your deception in getting me to do this was done in order to show how dishonest I am? Was the rudeness and demeaning language also a part of this deception, or was that genuine?
Well stated.
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@Fruit_Inspector
to pretend that skin tone is a primary indicator of trustworthiness is the very definition of a BROAD BRUSH
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@Fruit_Inspector
"Racism" seems like a "broad-brush" fallacy.

No "more" and no "less" "evil" than any other logical fallacy.
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@Lemming
Difference in perception, isn't the same as a difference in individual honesty, is my opinion.
Well stated.
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@Theweakeredge
whenever you are being so obviously dishonest
This seems to be your central theme.

Whenever you encounter a potential miscommunication, your instinctive "defense".
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@Fruit_Inspector
That is interesting info about the census. And it sounds like you are not necessarily a fan of viewing all of life through the lens of race then?
Well, "race" is, at its very best, "poorly defined".

What everybody seems so "concerned" about is much more precisely "skin-tone".

The "self-definition" and "passing-as" conflict seems virtually indistinguishable from the "gender-identity" kerfuffle.

The same exact questions should be asked about BOTH and the same exact "answers" apply equally.
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15$ minimum wage
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@drlebronski
FREE MARKETS ARE IMPOSSIBLE WITHOUT (BOTH) FREE MOVEMENT OF CAPITAL (AND) FREE MOVEMENT OF LABOR
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@Fruit_Inspector
SKIN TONE ≠ "RACE"
This is the problem with the social construct of race. There are benefits to these manmade categories, but you have identified a major weakness. The parameters for different categories are sometimes contradictory (are Russians Asian or white?). In my worldview, there is ultimately only one race (human) with many shades of the same color based on melanin count. I admit I am more melanin-challenged than my darker counterparts.

We are not an evolving group of organisms, some being closer to monkeys than others. We are an utterly distinct group that have always been and will always be human.
Well stated.

It's also worth noting that the usage of "white people" or a "white race" for a large group of mainly or exclusively European populations, defined by their light skin, among other physical characteristics, and contrasting with "black", "red", "brown", "yellow", and other "colored" people or "persons of color", originated in the 17th century. Prior to this, Europeans also described people from East Asia as being "white". It was only during the 19th century that this vague category was transformed in a pseudo-scientific system of race and skin color relations. [**]

White Americans are Americans who identify as and are perceived to be white people. [**]

"identify as" - - there is no "blood test" - - it's pure, unfiltered "SELF-DEFINITION"

The characterization of Middle Eastern and North African Americans as white has been a matter of controversy. In the early 20th century, there were a number of cases where people of Arab descent were denied entry into the United States or deported, because they were characterized as nonwhite.[21] In 1944, the law changed, and Middle Eastern and North African peoples were granted white status. In 2015, the US Census endorsed the idea of creating a separate racial category for Middle Eastern and North African Americans in the 2020 Census, but this plan was discarded when the Trump Administration came to power.

In cases where individuals do not self-identify, the U.S. census parameters for race give each national origin a racial value.
Additionally, people who reported Muslim (or a sect of Islam such as Shi'ite or Sunni), Jewish, Zoroastrian, or Caucasian as their "race" in the "Some other race" section, without noting a country of origin, are automatically tallied as White.[22] The US Census considers the write-in response of "Caucasian" or "Aryan" to be a synonym for White in their ancestry code listing.[23]

Middle Eastern and North African peoples were granted white status.
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@Fruit_Inspector
DOES THIS FAMILIAL PREFERENCE MAKE YOU A "RACIST" ?
My worldview would say that valuing familial ties is a moral obligation. But there are CRT advocates who would accuse me of racism for that. Black Lives Matter is one such organization that believes valuing the nuclear family is a form of white supremacy.
I'm quite certain that even the most ancient african hominids exhibited familial preference and TRIBALISTIC tendencies.
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@Fruit_Inspector
It seems both of you believe it is reprehensible to make comments regarding the proximity of a particular race to monkeys
SKIN TONE ≠ "RACE"
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@Fruit_Inspector
But this is Critical Race Theory. TRIBALISM is evil and is to blame for basically everything wrong with society.

Do you spend more time and energy assisting and interacting with YOUR OWN family than you spend interacting with OTHERS ?

DOES THIS FAMILIAL PREFERENCE MAKE YOU A "RACIST" ?
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Wrong answers only:
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@SkepticalOne
SAMPLE BIAS.
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@PGA2.0
Something can only be known to be a fact or defined, if it can be known to be a fact and defined.
Tautology. 
Well stated.
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@zedvictor4
It is important to maintain a constant awareness of and vigilant respect of our epistemological limits.
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@zedvictor4
Presumably it still would be....But that wouldn't be a fact unless it could be known.
But that wouldn't be a fact unless it could be known.
But that wouldn't be a fact unless it could be known.
But that wouldn't be a fact unless it could be known.
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@PGA2.0
You are not necessary for it to exist, yet I would argue God is. 
CERTAINLY, ZEUS IS A FACT.
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@Tarik
What part of perception is irrelevant don’t you understand?
THE PART WHERE YOU POKE OUT YOUR EYES AND PIERCE YOUR EARDRUMS
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@Tarik
HOW DO YOU PERSONALLY DETERMINE "TRUTH" FROM "LIES" AND OR "FACT" FROM "OPINION" ?
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@ebuc
Well stated.
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@fauxlaw
If, indeed, God knows all, seems to me eternity would get boring.
If not simply a foregone conclusion.
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@fauxlaw
Right, and how does an all-powerful, all-knowing god "change" its mind (without learning something new)?
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@fauxlaw
Yes. Although man is his most advanced creation, he decided to grant other animals abilities beyond ours. Such as my spirit guide, the frog. It has, within that entire species, vocal expressions that far exceed the ability of man to produce. In fact, no other creature ha the vocal range as has the frog.
That's astoundingly amazing !

My only question is, "DID SOMETHING CAUSE YOUR GOD TO WANT TO CREATE THE VOCAL RANGE OF THE FROG (OR) DID YOUR GOD CREATE THE VOCAL RANGE OF THE FROG FOR NO-REASON (NO-CAUSE)?"
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@Bones
The fact that evil exists means that either God didn't do a good job in creating the first "perfect" being, or he just doesn't exist. 
100% THIS.
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@fauxlaw
Asked [your #125] and answered [my #131]
CAN YOUR GOD CHANGE ITS MIND ?
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