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@oromagi
That's how AI would handle the cop. I asked how AI would respond to the riot.
Aren't the "rioters" (protesters) demanding the arrest of the officer responsible for the shooting?
(IFF) announcing the arrest of the officer responsible fails to quell the protest (THEN) standard crowd suppression would likely be deployed
The point being, an Artificial Neural Network, specifically tasked with "keeping the peace" would very likely anticipate and mitigate policies that are likely to lead to citizen protests.
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Please provide examples of any ad hominem attacks you personally believe I've made against you.
(IFF) I point out when you make ad hominem attacks against me (and or others) (AND) (IFF) I also make ad hominem attacks against you (and or others) (THEN) I could be considered a "hypocrite" (ELSE) I can NOT be considered a "hypocrite" (regarding this particular accusation)
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@oromagi
How would open-source software respond to rioting after a cop shot a child?
By immediately issuing an order to arrest the shooter.
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Sam never suggests "there is no systemic racism" in that interview.
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@Theweakeredge
Interesting link.
Sam repeatedly states that yes, racism is a problem, and yes, racism is not just about intent but is also about policy outcomes, and yes, we should change the policies that cause disproportionate harm to certain groups.
What specifically do you believe makes any of these statements "obviously racist"?
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@Greyparrot
Christianity eventually killed a massive proportion of people under the authority of the Pope.
You're conflating Catholicism with (anarcho-communist) Jesusism.
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@Greyparrot
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@Theweakeredge
Posting objectionable words on a website hardly qualifies as "trauma".
Verbal abuse by a member of your immediate physical household ≠ posting objectionable words on a webpage.
From your own source,
Either verbal abuse or emotional abuse constitutes the crime of domestic violence in Nevada, which is defined as the use of power, coercion and/or violence to control another. The Nevada Attorney General’s Office says verbal or emotional abuse can be charged as domestic violence if it is directed at a:
- Husband, wife, girlfriend or boyfriend (spousal abuse)
- Child by a parent, grandparent, stepparent, or significant other of a parent (child abuse)
- Senior citizen by their children, grandchildren or others living with or caring for the victim (elderly abuse).
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Do you think that perhaps the function of government could be replaced by open-source software?
All government? No. But some yes. And this is one of those things, like all computer systems, where we're going to have to start with small issues and work out the bugs there before moving on.
The issue is not in "can" we create such a system; the issue will be removing the power from politicians. They will object and will attempt to cause as much FUD as possible.
Artificial Neural Networks are already acting as consultants to JUDGES in bail and parole hearings.
I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that a politician will very soon promise to manage the resources under their purview purely by evidence based, PROCRUSTEAN algorithms.
TRUSTLESS TRANSPARENT DECENTRALIZED ANARCHY
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@TheUnderdog
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@ebuc
Perfect{ pure/divine{?} } is associated with symmetry and less so asymmetrical.
PERFECTION = BALANCE = ZERO KELVIN
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@TheUnderdog
Communism: Kills 71 million people in the USSR by starvation, and has oppressed billions of people in the past.
You're conflating AUTHORITARIANISM with COMMUNISM.
Mods: Being a communist is free speech and we won't ban any communists.
There are many different types of COMMUNISM (not all of them subscribe to an AUTHORITARIAN hierarchy).
KKK: Lynches only 4000 black Americans(a quicker death than starvation), and has oppressed only millions of African Americans(still a large number, but only a fraction of the billions of people that communism has oppressed).
VIGILANTE EXECUTION is MURDER.
Mods: Anyone who supports the idea of racism and anyone who makes a racial slur that is pro KayKayKay will get banned.
Not all KayKayKay factions (denominations) advocate for violence.
Not all KayKayKay factions (denominations) are responsible for the actions of some KayKayKay factions (denominations).
In the same way that not all Christians are responsible for the actions of Torquemada.
HATE = OPINION
IDEAS ARE NOT DANGEROUS.
Me: Communism is the worse ideology, so why are the mods treating racism worse than communism? If communists get free speech, shouldn't racists also get free speech?
The mods can make whatever arbitrary rules they wish.
A private entity restricting your speech is NOT a violation of the United States Constitution (otherwise Non Disclosure Agreements would be unconstitutional).
(IFF) you want to express your opinion without restriction (THEN) start your own debate website or create your own discord channel.
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Actually it's subjective since call-out requires it to be negative in the eyes of the one being called out, which is why I asked you and even then I don't see the issue nor do I think I am wrong about the theory either. Where are you gaining all these thumbs up?
Falsely accusing me of "gaming" the leaderboards clearly meets the definition of AD HOMINEM ATTACK.
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@zedvictor4
Or one could always go to an alternative [universe] and have a frank and open discussion with Harikrish and Ethang5....LOL
Fixed.
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@Theweakeredge
however I have already proved my point,
To yourself and only to yourself.
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@Theweakeredge
Also because Sam Harris is a tad racist
Please provide evidence in support of this claim.
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@Wagyu
But how can one be misled if the answer is subjective?
FACT = empirically demonstrable and or logically-necessary quantifiable real-true-fact (and emotionally meaningless).
OPINION = unfalsifiable, private, experiential, qualitative, functionally indistinguishable from gnosis (and emotionally meaningful).
Morality is a feeling.
Morality is an emotion.
Morality is an OPINION.
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@secularmerlin
You cant have an objective standard. Once a standard is chosen however we can make PROCRUSTEAN statements about it. Harris has merely chosen an arbitrary standard and there is nothing unusual about that.
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@Theweakeredge
almost good, but I disagree with the foundation that the morality we get from science is "objective" - you can't have objective morality
Well stated.
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I've mentioned you in this thread, it is not intended as a call-out thread but I'm notifying you so that if you object, you can say so sooner.
(1) this objectively qualifies as a "call-out thread".
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You have been PMing me things I don't want or need to receive.
WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY ANYTHING BEFORE NOW?
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@secularmerlin
Then my argument actually serves as a tool to gain complicity from the subjugated which is far worse.
Try this.
(IFF) you value food (THEN) you (implicitly) value the entire process of growing and transporting and preserving and preparing that food
(IFF) you expect to have food for at least the next twenty years (for yourself and or your close friends and relatives) (THEN) you should verify the sustainability of the entire process of growing and transporting and preserving and preparing that food
(1) PROTECT YOURSELF
(2) PROTECT YOUR FAMILY
(3) PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY
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@fauxlaw
As you have presented it it in an alleged syllogism, it is not logical at all.
Can you be slightly more specific?
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@fauxlaw
If or iff are useless words since they acknowledge only that which is currently not true. Then the alleged truth of what follows depends entirely on a conditional shift.
Thank you for sharing your opinion.
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@secularmerlin
Well then... back to the drawing board. Tribalism is insufficient to the moral principles I am most anxious to promote.
Hold on.
I believe this can be salvaged.
At least from the point of view from the subjugated portion of the population, it would seem to be to their advantage to preach a doctrine of "non-violent" "voluntarism" where all individuals are given human-rights and afforded some basic human dignity.
This is the core conceit of the famous fairy-tale, "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas". [LINK]
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@Tarik
It might, if you follow it to its logical conclusion.Which is?
I cannot personally guarantee where this conversation will lead us.
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@Theweakeredge
It's pretty clear that caring about the general well-being of all humans is not essential to one's own survival and or general wellbeing.
I only need to convince the individuals that directly contribute to my personal wellbeing that I am contributing and or have already contributed (and they "owe" me) and or will contribute to their general wellbeing.
This creates an "in-group" and an "out-group" which is another way of saying "TRIBALISM".
Through a lens of "TRIBALISM", it is very likely to my personal advantage to kill and or subjugate some or all members of the "out-group".
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@secularmerlin
It's pretty clear that caring about the general well-being of all humans is not essential to one's own survival and or general wellbeing.
I only need to convince the individuals that directly contribute to my personal wellbeing that I am contributing and or have already contributed (and they "owe" me) and or will contribute to their general wellbeing.
This creates an "in-group" and an "out-group" which is another way of saying "TRIBALISM".
Through a lens of "TRIBALISM", it is very likely to my personal advantage to kill and or subjugate some or all members of the "out-group".
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@Tarik
What do you personally believe is a "good" example of an action that is NOT selfish?Me answering that doesn’t resolve seculars A.F.S.F.S.M. problem.
It might, if you follow it to its logical conclusion.
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@secularmerlin
P1: IF you value your own life, THEN you ought to [convince at least one other person that you] value [at least one other life]: Now I must defend both premises: P1 is necessarily true [because humans cannot live as hermits their entire lives] - if you value your own life [and general wellbeing], then any harm [and or discomfort] done against you is not preferable, and if you don't [convince at least one other person that you] value [at least one other life] they have no reason [other than self-interest and hope of reciprocation] to value yours. Therefore the only way that [at least one other person] will have moral obligation to value your life [and general wellbeing] is if you value theirs; ergo - IF you value your own life [and general wellbeing], THEN you ought to value [at least one other life].
ESSENTIAL TRIBALISM.
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@Theweakeredge
P1: IF you value your own life, THEN you ought to [convince at least one other person that you] value [at least one other life]: Now I must defend both premises: P1 is necessarily true [because humans cannot live as hermits their entire lives] - if you value your own life [and general wellbeing], then any harm [and or discomfort] done against you is not preferable, and if you don't [convince at least one other person that you] value [at least one other life] they have no reason [other than self-interest and hope of reciprocation] to value yours. Therefore the only way that [at least one other person] will have moral obligation to value your life [and general wellbeing] is if you value theirs; ergo - IF you value your own life [and general wellbeing], THEN you ought to value [at least one other life].
ESSENTIAL TRIBALISM.
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@Theweakeredge
In other words - I was completely in the right for writing you off - you have a construction of assertions, fallacies (stacked fallacies actually - haven't gotten to say that since Selidora), and pessimism - fine you have pessimism - but you have fundamentally failed to actually rebuke my syllogism.
RUSH TO DISQUALIFY.
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@Tarik
And an action you falsely labelled as selfish, and until you right that wrong A.F.S.F.S.M. will always be flawed.
What do you personally believe is a "good" example of an action that is NOT selfish?
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The think in most of the religions that have survived adapted to changing morals. Slavery, human sacrifice, even things like a city having to give food or taxes to a maintained temple (Greece) and such are not longer part of religions that have survived. When you look at Taoism and Confucianism and Buddhism they never had or addressed these less moral practices in the core beliefs so they have survived almost unchanged. Even if the concepts of soul/spirit or deity have changed it hasn't changed how one lives the practice. They also never gave power to a human figurehead who made sure laws were followed and sins were punished. When you look at say Heathenism which is cool to watch on shows like Vikings there isn't large human/animal sacrifices made today in that religion and it's deemed to be ok by the gods who once demanded it. So he may be right in that most ancient religions are gone or shifted to modern principles (non violence) stay active. The only ones to survive as they originally practiced were/ are non violent.
Phenomenal analysis.
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@fauxlaw
Also,
P1: Birds flyP2: Camels walkC: Butterflies swim
Is functionally indistinguishable from,
(IFF) Birds fly (AND) Camels walk (THEN) Butterflies swim
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@secularmerlin
Ants are following these dictates implicitly even if they cannot or will not explicitly state their goals. I rather regard that as a strength of the argument since it is an argument that only self interest is necessary to motivate "good" behavior.
I agree.
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@Lunatic
And of course, we could always give them the option to go here ---->>> [LINK]
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@zedvictor4
If an actual specific singular GOD does exist......Then it's concerns will far exceed the ramblings and naivety of a few men of Arabia.
Well stated.
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CONSUMER PRICES SPIKE, THE FEDS TELL MICHAEL BURRY TO SHUT THE FUCK UP.
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@Lunatic
I believe we should let the convicts back into the asylum.
I also believe we should be allowed to open multiple accounts.
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@Athias
If the BoP is determined by the whim of the instigator, then there really is no point to the rules. This notion is completely lost on the moderators--correction: a couple of the moderators. Onus Probandi determines the responsibility each participant bears in the resolution of the argument; not the instigators stipulations. You know that, I know that; but if the "moderators" don't know that, then we're "violating voting policy" if their ignorance isn't displayed in our RFD's. And what makes matters worse is when one clearly knows--I suppose for lack of a better term--"more" than the moderators do on the subject, and gets penalized for it.
Well stated.
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Your hypothesis is provably false.
The board shows I have 1,329 likes.
(IFF) these were "likes given" (THEN) it would be in the tens of thousands.
For example, I have over a thousand "likes given" in the "Our most basic axioms" thread alone.
AND, WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU MAKE A THREAD ABOUT ME AND THEN BLOCK ME FROM RESPONDING?
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@Tarik
Like perhaps you are providing for the raccoons that live off the trash you throw away?I guess so
So, do you think you're (morally) responsible for providing for and attracting raccoons that carry rabies that end up infecting (and killing) your neighbor's dog?
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@Tarik
Well providing for someone else isn’t that.
Are you suggesting that you can provide for someone without motivation?
Like perhaps you are providing for the raccoons that live off the trash you throw away?
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@Tarik
So? Were you not listening, I wasn’t asking in regards to motives.
Do you believe a dollar can be moral?
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@Tarik
Last time I checked a dollar was a form of payment.
Still not a motive.
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@Tarik
provide for (someone or something)
1. To supply or provide payment for the basic needs of someone or something.The hardest part of being unemployed was knowing that I couldn't provide for my family.The local council has promised to provide for low-income families in its upcoming budget. [**]
In other words, NOT a one-time gift.
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@Tarik
...But giving someone a dollar is providing for someone else.
It is specifically providing a dollar for someone else.
The phrase "providing for someone" is generally understood to be an ongoing process of providing for someone's livelihood and general wellbeing.
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@Tarik
"providing for someone else" is not itself an action.
"providing for someone else" is in-fact a motive.
giving someone a dollar is an action.
giving someone a dollar is not a motive.
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