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$1.60 in 1968? So... like I said, what should one expect of minimum wage but a simple wage for no skillset?

In 1966, one year from H.S. graduation, I earned $3.50 per hour working full time, and sometimes overtime, during the summer for the Santa Monica [CA] Board of Education, in line-art drawings for K-6 schools that fall, because I had a demonstrable skill. I even managed that skill in my senior-year advanced human physiology course, doing the illustrations for that class' final exam, in which I was a student. I cautioned my teacher that this would be cheating, because I would know in advance what was on the exam. He said, "You could fail the exam, and your coursework would still deserve an A. You don't have to tell anyone you did the illustrations." I replied, "I'll take the exam, just to preserve the lie."  Having a skillset, and getting a solid education, and reputation, pays, and it has always served me well. I've been in school for over 70 years. 

Perceived usefulness and actually usefulness can be different -

furthermore, if it isn't the truth of the matter then it doesn't matter -

I suppose you could make a pragmatic argument;

however Religion is overwhelmingly harmful to the rate of progress in the modern world

Okay... so then what happens?

And we are a selectively moral species, and will happily discuss the needy with reverence.

And Janesix is correct...Societies are naturally hierarchical.

Thanks for the truism. It’s matter of organisation and what we prioritise.

Let’s say you run a very famous gym which has a very proud culture. Loyal costumers love to take selfies of how strong and popular they are at this gym. Business is running smoothly, until competition arrives. You find this unacceptable; you take it as a personal insult. You say to yourself ‘they don’t know how hard I’ve worked to get here.’ Business starts the plummet, you panic. Until one day you come up with a brilliant idea to add an alcohol bar to your gym.

Do you understand what racing to the bottom is? What do you think made the U.S. strong in the first place?

why would making being less than yourself degrade the value of you

If they create something that isn't perfect, then they aren't perfect - it has nothing to do with "the right" to do something - it has to do with the definition of perfect

nope. a perfect god doesn't have to create something perfect

Do you really think the corporations are going to want to keep people alive if they DON'T NEED WORKERS?

How many (for profit) corporations currently provide food and shelter for the homeless?

[IFF] corporations don't try to keep people alive in the future and [IFF] corporations are not trying to keep people alive in the present [THEN] the future is the same as the present.

[IFF] the future is the same as the present [THEN] it is weird to imply that the future will be worse than the present.

Nothing like taking personal responsibility.

Humanity needs global planning options going forward.  How do those global planning options appear to us here and elsewhere?

belief and desire - and one is intrinsically unrealistic, while the other is simply yearning

Gandhi was the son of one of the most powerful men in India of his birth region. Gandhi used his power/influence to achieve his goals.

Though I suppose the two could overlap, I do think there is a difference

Let's say you got a very skilled fighter or more, about to either severely damage you or force you to give in to demands unless you obey.

You either need to be (or have present and sided with you) a skilled fighter that can defeat him/her/them or have someone rich, powerful, charismatic and/or smart enough to ensure the fighter is no longer rendered both capable and willing of taking you down.

This analogy applies to so many situations. Power can be, has been and always will be just as defensive as it is offensive.

What you described certainly was - you conflate the two

idealistic and ambitious are different traits

it shows a lack of comprehension

I think that is demonstrates the point that power leads to corruption - it is a basic psychological concept - whenever something is easier to obtain, it is used more, so whenever you have more power, you are more likely to use it - and the rush of never having that power before? That's whiplash. There is nothing semantic about that - just pure research, I would be more inclined to agree with you if you had anything to substantiate your claims

Just the experience of Ben Carson says otherwise. A wise parent can help ambition grow and results will follow. In his case, a very wise mother, who, though illiterate, yet went through the motions of checking his school work, sufficient to impress him that she cared enough to do so, and thus encouraged his ambition to flourish. What makes his experience different? Ambition, and the will to make it thrive. Who cannot do that? Only people who let their mirror dictate their failure.

furthermore it makes such things as "ambition" not as valuable as other traits which would help them survive

I believe the simple lack of higher incidents of the succeeding poor is a personal lack, one by one:

plutocrats were the only game in town.  There wasn’t a powerful political figure that wasn’t very wealthy. 

And you have nothing constructive to add; how true to yourself

just another philanthropist millionaire

I'd say you were so scared 

Do you mean of a sever that was filled with ARTISTS STYLES? Hm? Because that gives them more jobs, not less

Statistics do not support the claim that poor people who "work really hard" move up economically, that is a myth - furthermore statistics do not show  downward trend in millionaires who do not work.

The rich can be so, and yet be lazy, getting no further, and in fact, can lose it. Or, the rich inherited it, and are lazy, or they earned it and became lazy

Or, the rich are productive, and increase their wealth, regardless of it being inherited or personally earned.

The poor can be so, and be lazy, getting nowhere, and, in fact, become poorer. or, the poor can be productive, get out of poverty by their own effort, and can even become wealthy.

if you think there are things that are not debateable, what are some examples? 

The game is simple: you have to continue the discussion, preferably from where the last person left off, in a constructive way. Spamming is reported.

I will start the first topic for discussion: Should the minimum wage be raised?

Do you have any suggestions?

Um... no, and second of all - that... isn't that difficult to pull off - its a simple grid work. As I said, 8th grade

Do you really think the corporations are going to want to keep people alive if they are unemployed and CAN'T AFFORD TO BUY THEIR PRODUCT?

Do you really think the corporations are going to want to keep people alive if they DON'T NEED WORKERS?

Uh... wut?

I'm suggesting that a program that can make 8th grade landscapes is nothing compared to graphic artists - they lack the ability to do stylized pieces, as I have said multiple times