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@Theweakeredge
More accurately, that because table legs are a thing, tables are obsolete, one supports the other - and your slippery slope fails to account for that
What do the table legs represent in this creative metaphor?
What do the table (tops?) represent in this creative metaphor?
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@Theweakeredge
This is like me saying that because there are tables, desks are obsolete, or because there are boots, shoes are obsolete.
What do tables represent in this creative metaphor?
What do desks represent in this creative metaphor?
What do boots represent in this creative metaphor?
What do shoes represent in this creative metaphor?
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@fauxlaw
(EITHER)
both rich and poor can be lazy
(OR)
Each receives according to the effort and skill they apply,
YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS.
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@fauxlaw
Simple: a free-market economy that accounts for all contributors to business expenses from design to after-market customer care, and all in between, and the uses of gross revenue to pay for them,
AND, what does any of this have to do with inflation?
Isn't cash functionally indistinguishable from any other commodity?
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@fauxlaw
Each receives according to the effort and skill they apply,
So,
RICH = GOOD
POOR = BAD
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@fauxlaw
This is, primarily, a Marxist view of economy because Marxism primarily views inflation as a measure of the supply of money in the economy, and the relative demand for it.
What's your "counter hypothesis"?
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Do you really think the corporations are going to want to keep people alive if they DON'T NEED WORKERS?
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@Theweakeredge
Let’s reflect on the general impact of automation in UX Design, for example. The creative industry welcomed Zeplin.io back in 2015 to automatically spec our high-fidelity designs for us. Gone were the days when the width, height, colours, drop shadows needed to be manually defined — a platform did it all for us. It removed a layer of painstaking labour to our workflow that freed up our time to work on other creative pursuits.
In that same vein, the emergence of design systems serving as the overarching framework for consistent, usable experiences effectively did the same for us when Google’s Material Design was first introduced back in 2014. UI components with pre-written code snippets could be re-used, instead of creating from scratch — the design system standardized it all for us. It helped ensure our designs were consistent, usable and visually on brand.
So, as we now consider the automation of the craft itself, AI will expedite our workflow in a way where some of that grunt work will no longer bury us in tedium. This will allow for more creative exploration and imaginative thinking — freeing us to discover new design paradigms. In the case of AI, it’s a matter of harnessing it. Do as what AEC is doing at Autodesk and make it about solving the problem and leave the rest to the machines. [**]
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@Theweakeredge
With GPT-3, I built a layout generator where you just describe any layout you want, and it generates the JSX code for you. [**]
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@Theweakeredge
A college kid’s fake, AI-generated blog fooled tens of thousands. This is how he made it.
“It was super easy actually,” he says, “which was the scary part.”
It was meant as a fun experiment. But then one of his posts reached the number-one spot on Hacker News.
Few people noticed that his blog was completely AI-generated. [**]
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@Theweakeredge
Your "objections" are peripheral red-herrings.
Your "objections" are regarding scale and scope.
My point is that GPT3 is just the beginning.
My point is that GPT3 is just the tip of the proverbial iceberg.
Executives and directors simply use creatives (artists, writers, programmers, engineers) like tools.
Give me 3 proposals for a new movie that will appeal to 18 to 24 year olds that is super advertiser friendly.
Combine the current top 3 pop songs, the top 3 clothing styles and the top 3 most popular movies for that age group into a new franchise.
And then, when they review the "product" they will simply give simple feedback to REFINE that product.
That's great, but make it sexier and with more explosions.
GPT3 will be able to do this.
And at some point in the near future, people will be able to make their own movies and their own television shows, which will put the studios out of business.
Make me a website that maximizes advertising revenue. 20 websites created overnight.
Write me a program that integrates all financial and logistical functions of our company in order to maximize profitability. Buys robots, fires all "non essential" humans.
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@Theweakeredge
It is very clear that you don't know what you're talking about here bud.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Well sure, but if we reach the point where there are literally no jobs left because of AI whatsoever except for a few million software engineers here and there then that gives us the ability to go post-scarcity anyway so from an economic point of view employment is no longer required. You can argue that is a bad thing from a philosophical perspective and many have, but the point is that economically there is no problem. The transition to that point (assuming that point is even in our future) is the delicate part, but taken in gradual steps and given policies to ease the process, possibly including the implementation of a UBI, it is easily doable.
Software engineers are going to be one of the first categories to become obsolete.
Do you really think the corporations are going to want to keep people alive if they DON'T NEED WORKERS?
Have you ever played the game "musical chairs"?
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@secularmerlin
decrease in labor demand.Like say that caused by automation?
100% THIS.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Basically 3RU7AL made a big fuss over self-driving vehicles causing 3.5 million people to lose jobs, but that is only a bit over 2% of the labor market. If everyone in all other fields in the labor market took a 5% cut in their hours scheduled they could make room for those 3.5 million people to move to those fields without causing a huge labor surplus thus keeping wages per hour similar to before. Wages per year would decrease by that 5%, which would be compensated for by the fact that cost of living would decrease dramatically in this example because decrease in transportation costs would have an effect on the price of virtually everything (fauxlaw doesn't seem to understand why a transportation company would decrease it's prices after having such a huge reduction in it's overhead costs but 3RU7AL is perfectly willing to admit cost of living would decrease, he just doesn't understand the rest of what I am saying well enough to realize why this cost of living decrease would not necessarily be accompanied by a decrease in wages per hour).
Ok, this makes a lot of sense.
The only point you're missing is that self-driving-vehicles is just ONE EXAMPLE of the massive shift in automation.
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@Tarik
Why don't we all use the original?I don’t know, just on the top of my head maybe it has something to do with the fact that it’s 2021 and NOT 1806.
Aren't we still using the same words?
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@Tarik
...Not even, that’s kinda the purpose of a dictionary, to know what words mean.
Why don't we all use the original?
In 1806 Webster published A Compendious Dictionary of the English Language, the first truly American dictionary.
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@bmdrocks21
I see a lot of pretty blue letters with neat little lines under them
Pick a number and I'll attempt to summarize.
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@Tarik
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@Discipulus_Didicit
my proposal to cut hours in other fields to avoid a cut in wages and avoid a cut in jobs. What do you say to that?
What jobs?
Sure, we could cut hours and hire more part-timers, but that will only drive wages even lower (and cut benefits).
This might "work" for another 3, 4, or 5 years, but 10 years down the road?
What jobs?
(IFF) your food is planted, watered and harvested and sorted and delivered and stocked and priced by GPT3, and all your televisions and computers are designed, manufactured, delivered and maintained by GPT3, and all your "white collar" banking and stock trading is much more efficiently and less corruptly managed by GPT3 (THEN) what the heck do you think the humans will be doing?
What jobs?
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@secularmerlin
you know...basic stuffSuch as?
29 If you meet a disputant in action,
A powerful man, superior to you,
Fold your arms, bend your back,
To flout him will not make him agree with you.
Make little of the evil speech
By not opposing him while he's in action;
He will be called an ignoramus,
Your self-control will match his pile of words.
A powerful man, superior to you,
Fold your arms, bend your back,
To flout him will not make him agree with you.
Make little of the evil speech
By not opposing him while he's in action;
He will be called an ignoramus,
Your self-control will match his pile of words.
30 If you meet a disputant in action
Who is your equal, on your level,
You will make your worth exceed his by silence,
While he is speaking evilly,
There will be much talk by the hearers,
Your name will be good in the minds of the magistrates.
31 If you meet a disputant in action,
A poor man, not your equal,
Do not attack him because he is weak,
Let him alone, he will confute himself.
Do not answer him to relieve your heart,
Do not vent yourself against your opponent,
Wretched is he who injures a poor man,
One will wish to do what you desire,
You will beat him through the magistrates' reproof.
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@Undefeatable
29 If you meet a disputant in action,
A powerful man, superior to you,
Fold your arms, bend your back,
To flout him will not make him agree with you.
Make little of the evil speech
By not opposing him while he's in action;
He will be called an ignoramus,
Your self-control will match his pile of words.
A powerful man, superior to you,
Fold your arms, bend your back,
To flout him will not make him agree with you.
Make little of the evil speech
By not opposing him while he's in action;
He will be called an ignoramus,
Your self-control will match his pile of words.
30 If you meet a disputant in action
Who is your equal, on your level,
You will make your worth exceed his by silence,
While he is speaking evilly,
There will be much talk by the hearers,
Your name will be good in the minds of the magistrates.
Who is your equal, on your level,
You will make your worth exceed his by silence,
While he is speaking evilly,
There will be much talk by the hearers,
Your name will be good in the minds of the magistrates.
31 If you meet a disputant in action,
A poor man, not your equal,
Do not attack him because he is weak,
Let him alone, he will confute himself.
Do not answer him to relieve your heart,
Do not vent yourself against your opponent,
Wretched is he who injures a poor man,
One will wish to do what you desire,
You will beat him through the magistrates' reproof.
A poor man, not your equal,
Do not attack him because he is weak,
Let him alone, he will confute himself.
Do not answer him to relieve your heart,
Do not vent yourself against your opponent,
Wretched is he who injures a poor man,
One will wish to do what you desire,
You will beat him through the magistrates' reproof.
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@secularmerlin
the universe suddenly knocking down the dominoes behind them rather than in front of them.
They'd be knocking the dominoes behind them "up".
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@FLRW
Irrefutably, the delayed-choice experiments suggest the arrow of time is reversible and the future can influence the past.
100% THIS.
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@fauxlaw
No, you did not say A & B, other than cost of the load of fruit, is the same, and you completely ignore factors as I raised which do make a difference and are always possible factors. Your only similarity was the need for both A & B to sell at a profit [not necessarily the same profit]. But, loss leaders, for example, do sometimes help to gain that profit, as does accounting for countervailing factors, even if the similar product itself is priced either the same or differently. You offered a two-dimensional solution. Mine has three and four.
YES. IN THE SHORT TERM THE LOWEST PRICED FOOD WILL WIN.
UP TO THE POINT WHERE NOBODY CAN AFFORD TO BUY FOOD BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY JOBS.
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@Bugsy460
The problem with banning these as topics is it doesn't account for kritikal arguments in a meaningful way. For example, as a proud Native American, if I wanted a topic around the critical literature of settler colonialism (obviously not reading a kritik against a normal resolution, but creating a critical resolution), using a topic like "Resolved: On balance, kill the Indian, save the man is a good idea", or "Resolved: The white man must take what is rightfully his from inferior natives". These ideas, while seeming to support the idea of white supremacism, would actually allow for an easy platform for me to critically reject a resolution. I'm a bit new to this platform, so I don't know how often kritikal debate happens, but banning things on the perceived resolution would kill any chance for kritikal debate.
Well stated.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
Buy a house; shelter is a necessity. then build another one, and sell it for a profit.Why does not everyone buy homes then?
The theory is that if all rental properties were rent-to-own (fractional ownership) then more people would own their homes.
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@Tarik
Can we perhaps agree to the terms (CONDITIONALLY TRUE) AND (UNCONDITIONALLY TRUE)?
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@Tarik
(IFF) your personally preferred dictionary is the authoritative source for jargon related to FORMAL LOGIC (THEN) sound = valid (AND) valid = sound
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@fauxlaw
Buy a house; shelter is a necessity. then build another one, and sell it for a profit.
Renting a house is "seeking to increase one's share of existing wealth without creating new wealth".
Trading stock is "seeking to increase one's share of existing wealth without creating new wealth."
Banking is "seeking to increase one's share of existing wealth without creating new wealth."
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@coal
The third thing you want to do is to think about the best possible arguments for and against the resolution.Each argument you make should entail your position on the resolution. So, there needs to be a direct link between the arguments you make and the resolution you're arguing about.
Well stated.
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@Undefeatable
Civil Debate - Rule One: You cannot redefine truth.
Every definition of truth requires facts.
Facts are indisputable.
Just like a court of law, both the prosecution and defense must agree on the facts.
If you and your opponent disagree about a fact, you must immediately stop the debate and negotiate the point of disputed fact.
Civil Debate - Rule Two: Do not disqualify your opponent.
Just like a boxing champion, you are only as good as your opponent.
Ridicule is below the belt.
Use logic.
Your identity cannot qualify or disqualify sound logic.
Civil Debate - Rule Three: Only your opponent can award points.
When your opponent makes a valid objection, you have the option to award them a point.
Valid objections strengthen your argument.
Help your opponent strengthen their position by presenting a steel man.
The best debates are the ones that force you to learn something new.
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@fauxlaw
And as a potential investor in that corporation, you can share in that profiting. That is, you can if you consider that in addition to just working for money, you can put your money to work for you. By that tactic, you want that corporation to be more profitable. Of course, that means you may not be able to buy a boat, or an RV, but you will increase your wealth. Such purchases do not do that for you; these products are not investments; they're drains. Invest in yourself. Buy a house; that is an investment. then buy another one, and rent it out. That other stuff can be rented, and you're free of the upkeep and maintenance costs. When was the last time you sold a vehicle at a profit? In spite of my net worth, I drive a 20 year-old truck because it just continues to run. I don't need a new car every three years. My truck has more than paid for itself, and, in the meantime, I've been able to devote more money to investment in me. It's too easy and so many people stumble over the idea that working for money is enough. Really?
Which part of this is specifically about property rental fees?
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@Double_R
I love this quote, but I disagree. I’d rather gain that experience so I can beat the stupid people rather than running away from them.
100% THIS.
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@fauxlaw
And as a potential investor in that corporation, you can share in that profiting [RENT-SEEKING].
Yeah, I wasn't speaking specifically about "property rental fees" either.
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@Tarik
Doesn’t matter my credible definition still says otherwise.
Please use your magical dictionary to help you understand the full meaning of the term, "JARGON".
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@Tarik
Not according to the dictionary which defines valid as (of an argument or point) having a SOUND basis in logic or fact; reasonable or cogent.
USE THAT SAME DICTIONARY TO COMPARE AND CONTRAST THE DEFINITIONS OF "VALID" AND "SOUND".
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@fauxlaw
RENT-SEEKING
In public-choice theory, as well as in economics, rent-seeking means seeking to increase one's share of existing wealth without creating new wealth.[1] Rent-seeking results in reduced economic efficiency through misallocation of resources, reduced wealth-creation, lost government revenue, heightened income inequality,[2] and potential national decline.
Attempts at capture of regulatory agencies to gain a coercive monopoly can result in advantages for rent-seekers in a market while imposing disadvantages on their incorrupt competitors. This is one of many possible forms of rent-seeking behavior. [**]
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@Tarik
You've confused a colloquial (GENERAL) dictionary with a jargon term specific to the discussion of LOGIC ITSELF.
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@Tarik
Valid [but not sound] = (only "true" conditionally or hypothetically)
It is possible for an argument to be BOTH (VALID) (AND) (SOUND).
It is possible for an argument to be ONLY (VALID) (BUT NOT) (SOUND).
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@Double_R
Do you believe there is some kind of progression to God’s existence? Yes or no?NoIf there is no progression then there are no thoughts, no actions, and it cannot cause anything. All of these things require its state of existence to change. For example, to make a decision is to begin by existing in a state of being undecided and progress to a state of being decided.A state of non progression is to be infinitely frozen in time. That is mutually exclusive with any of the normal traits associated with a god.Your question is all about semantics.No, it’s about basic meaning of words. You’re making an argument while disregarding that the words you are using if taken for what they actually mean contradict each other. If it’s being misunderstood then that is exactly why we have to go through this exercise.
Well stated.
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@Dr.Franklin
no, a perfect god has the CAPABILITY to create less perfect beings
(IFF) a perfect god can create "imperfect" things (THEN) how can anyone distinguish a perfect god from an imperfect god?
Wouldn't a perfect god's "imperfection" also be perfectly "imperfect" (instantly transforming it into perfection)?
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@Tarik
if your arguing that the term valid is only limited to hypotheticals then that’s not true,
i agree.
All sound statements are necessarily valid.
HOWEVER.
Not all valid statements are necessarily sound.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I think it should be obvious how automation reduces cost of living but if it isn't then let me know and I will explain.
LOWER PRICES ARE NOT A UNIVERSAL GOOD.
GOOD FOR CONSUMERS ≠ GOOD FOR WORKERS.
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@Discipulus_Didicit
I think it should be obvious how automation reduces cost of living but if it isn't then let me know and I will explain.
Physical automation, like the historical example of the loom and the printing press and movable type and the linograph were one dimension of labor.
Intellectual and creative automation is a whole new dimension of labor.
Robot designer?
GPT3 will be designing the robots.
Robot repair tech?
With no incentive to engineer obsolescence, modular designs and ultra low production costs will make repairs as easy as swapping a module.
It won't matter if you have an "advanced degree in engineering" or you're a highschool drop out, you're equally qualified for the job.
A truly equal playing field.
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@Bringerofrain
I am fighting hard to embrace the middle path
Imagine you're a crocodile.
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