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@Soluminsanis
Also, welcome to DebateArt.
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@drafterman
Then this falls into "God exists because I define God as something that exists" camp which is tautological.
Ethica Ordine Geometrico Demonstrata
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@drafterman
What is a "great making property?"
I like where you're going with this.
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@Soluminsanis
The modal ontological argument as developed by philosopher Alvin Plantinga:
1. It is possible that a maximally great CHAIR* (mgC for short) exists.
2. A mgC exists in some possible world.
3. If a mgC exists in one possible world, then a mgC exists in all possible worlds.
4. A mgC exists in the actual world.
5. Therefore a maximally great CHAIR exists (in every possible fraction of the multi-cosmos).
*for our purposes an mgC is defined as a being that possesses all great CHAIR properties, and lacks no great CHAIR property.
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@HistoryBuff
so you now agree with the topic? That is is totally fine for google/apple etc to stop doing business with parlor? that seems to be the exact opposite of what you are attempting to argue.
I already specified the difference between COULD BE BANNED and SHOULD BE BANNED.
YES to, PARLER COULD BE BANNED.
NO to, PARLER SHOULD BE BANNED.
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@Amoranemix
[391] No. Atheists do not believe in a god.
It seems like Theists think that the STRUCTURE of their belief system is universal.
They imagine that everyone thinks (STRUCTURALLY) like a Christian and they just plug different names into the authority shelves they use.
It's baked into the idea of a "god shaped hole" in everyone's heart.
For example, Theists often think that Buddhists "worship" Siddhartha in the same way that Christians "worship" Jesus.
When in reality, the two concepts are much more different than many assume.
Another example is when Theists believe that Atheists worship books like "On the Origin of Species".
@PGA2.0 likes to say that Atheists worship other "gods" like "pleasure" or "money" or "status".
The main "problem" with this hypothesis is that NOBODY CALLS THOSE THINGS "GODS".
Theists seem to think everyone implicitly "appeals to authority" they just pick different "authorities".
Some Atheists "appeal to authority" sure, but a lot of Atheists reject "appeals to authority" on general principle.
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@DebateArt.com
More specifically, website to blockchain integration, https://youtu.be/Og7hRmy1p1I?t=2555
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@DebateArt.com
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@Amoranemix
My dog is an atheists (I think), but he has no opinion on why he is here or on what difference he makes.
Well stated.
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@fauxlaw
Frankly, I don't care.
Ok.
You get to identify yourself.
I get to identify myself.
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@fauxlaw
Clinical phenotypes in these individuals range from a typical male habitus with mild spermatogenic defect or reduced secondary terminal hair, to a full female habitus, despite the presence of a Y-chromosome. [**]
Here's the "problem".
How can you tell, without violating a person's bodily privacy, whether or not they are a "girl" or a "boy" or some (non-binary) mix of the two?
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@fauxlaw
ALSO.
Why do you care if someone on this website self-identifies as a "girl" or a "boy" or a "potato"?
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@fauxlaw
By natural means, they are, by a fraction of a percent, both girl and boy - 100% by additive means. This is your original, biological hermaphrodite, yes? Any other means, including by "choice" is an after-the-fact, artificial decision and means to alter what is had at birth.
You're also forgetting about KLINEFELTERS SYNDROME AND ANDROGEN INSENSITIVITY.
also.
Some individuals are born with a broken X chromosome that is not quite a Y. It's like an X but with one short arm. This can affect their hormone ratios.
also.
HUMANS ARE NOT ROBOTS THAT ARE ONLY AVAILABLE IN TWO MODELS.
THE WORLD IS NOT BLACK AND WHITE.
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@HistoryBuff
They can choose, for any reason not protected by the constitution, to stop doing business with them at any time.
Yes. Nobody is disagreeing with you on this particular point.
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@HistoryBuff
well, presumably when it causes people to commit a crime (like attacking the capitol).
I'm pretty certain it's NEVER A CRIME to publicly discuss a THEORY, no matter how "insane" it seems.
Is Trump working as a Russian Operative? Well, that's one theory.
How does an insane theory magically stop being a "conspiracy theory" when someone decides it's ok to broadcast on "the news"?
Each individual criminal is responsible for their own actions.
A THEORY cannot be dragged into a court of law.
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@fauxlaw
Well, at best, that only happens less than one percent, bio-genetically.
How does this change the fact that not everyone is 100% girl or 100% boy?
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@fauxlaw
Back to the two sex types, just mixed.
If you mix yellow and blue you get green.
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@Tradesecret
My point is that this IS not the responsibility of the government,
What do you believe is the proper function of government?
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@HistoryBuff
At what point does a "conspiracy theory" become a crime?
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@HistoryBuff
For a person who has full fledged rejected reality, there is not much,
Musician Daryl Davis has an unusual hobby. He's played all over the world with legends like Chuck Berry and Little Richard, but it's what Daryl does in his free time that sets him apart. Daryl likes to meet and befriend members of the Ku Klux Klan -- something few black men can say. In his travels, he's collected robes and other artifacts from friends who have left the Klan, building a collection piece by piece, story by story, in hopes of eventually opening a "Museum of the Klan." [**]
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@HistoryBuff
But you completely skipped my question. Why should one company be forced to do business with another company if they don't want to?
I already answered that "question".
It's called "anti-discrimination laws".
nOT "CENTRAL PLANNING".
A business that is OPEN TO THE PUBLIC is not supposed to be able to discriminate against people just because they hold beliefs that you disagree with.
A business can make "rules" of course.
But those rules must be uniformly enforced, quantifiable, and PROCRUSTEAN.
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@TheMelioist
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@Jasmine
It's the same kind of "joke" as saying "the only good injun is a dead injun".
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@Jasmine
It's the same kind of "joke" as saying "all idiots deserve to die".
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@fauxlaw
Do you realize that HERMAPHRODITES were recognized in ancient GREECE?
There are demonstrably more than TWO "sexgenders".
This is not a "new" idea.
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@Wagyu
As a follow up of my Satanism forum, I am starting a petition where, if successful, users on DART will be able to manually type their preferred gender, and religion.
100% THIS.
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@HistoryBuff
They are taking the action that is best for their business.
Discrimination based on religious viewpoints is functionally indistinguishable from discrimination based on political viewpoints.
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@HistoryBuff
You can never make delusional people accept reality.
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@HistoryBuff
I think we may be conflating TWO proposals,
Can PARLER be legally banned by "big tech"? - - the answer seems to be "YES".
Now, the statement in the OP is,
Parler, the conservative version of twitter, should have been banned by big tech
Should PARLER be banned by "big tech"?
My guess is that you're going to lean towards "YES".
I, on the other hand, lean towards "NO".
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@HistoryBuff
might take action to stop drinking and running over children in the future,
Well, you'll be happy to know they're all moving to GAB now. [**]
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@HistoryBuff
IE you can have a sincerely held belief that you need to eat people, it's still a crime.
Talking about it and believing it are NOT "still a crime".
I mean, don't the Catholics believe in Transubstantiation? [**]
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@HistoryBuff
You seem to be very enthusiastically in favor of the (wholesale) ban.of course. Parlor is responsible for spreading lies and fomenting criminal activity.
PARLER is NOT legally "responsible" for USER GENERATED CONTENT.
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@HistoryBuff
NOT EVERYONE USING PARLER IS EVIL.no one has ever said that they are. Please stop with the straw man arguments. but alot of people on Parlor are calling for murders, treason, sedition etc. Parlor chooses to allow this to happen, which is a breach of the terms and conditions they have with google, apple etc.
I'm glad you don't think everyone on PARLER is evil.
I couldn't tell.
You seem to be very enthusiastically in favor of the (wholesale) ban.
Also, PARLER didn't "choose to allow this to happen, which is a breach of the terms and conditions they have with google, apple etc".
PARLER'S official response to AMAZON was that they had a backlog of flagged posts and they were adding more moderators to address this backlog.
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@HistoryBuff
Any company can change or re-interpret their "terms of service" at any time.true. how is that relevant though?
This invalidates the very core concept of a CONTRACT.
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@HistoryBuff
Free speech just means the government can't arrest you for it.
I thought you were the one suggesting that some individuals on PARLER were guilty of the crime of "sedition".
Isn't that a crime of SPEECH?
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@HistoryBuff
The LEGAL DOMAIN of free speech only applies to the government punishing you.
THE PHILOSOPHY OF FREE-SPEECH APPLIES TO EVERYONE EVERYWHERE.
LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, DON'T BURN OR BAN BOOKS.
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@HistoryBuff
That is an idiotic belief that has literally never been true.
That's the beauty of it.
A "sincerely held belief" doesn't need to be "true".
Is "christianity" "true"?
Is "islam" "true"?
What about "scientology"?
Is "hinduism" "true"?
How about "transgenderism"?
True or False?
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@HistoryBuff
Imagine a world where a business (that is open to the public) can choose to refuse service to Jewish customers. Imagine a world where a business (that is open to the public) can choose to refuse service to Black customers. Imagine a world where a business (that is open to the public) can choose to refuse service to LGBTQ+ customers.All of this is already illegal. And it is, in no way, analogous to what happened to parlor.
I wasn't sure you were aware of this when you said, "that's how the free-market works".
Parler is being de-platformed (refused service) specifically because of their "sincerely held belief" (CREED) that free-speech should be sacrosanct (a.k.a. "moderation philosophy").
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@HistoryBuff
And the context in this case is lots of people calling for murder, sedition and treason on parler. That very clearly breaches the terms of service of these tech companies.
People have said the same kinds of things on twitter and facebook and youtube. [**]
Violating "terms of service" means practically nothing.
Any company can change or re-interpret their "terms of service" at any time.
(IFF) any SPECIFIC person wrote ILLEGAL words (THEN) that SPECIFIC person should be arrested
NOT EVERYONE USING PARLER IS EVIL.
YOUR LOGICAL FALLACY IS "THE BROAD BRUSH".
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@HistoryBuff
it's not a crime to make fun of or criticize a politician.
Imagine if you will, thousands of people silently and peacefully standing outside the white house, each one holding a severed obama head in the air.
Is this free-speech?
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@Tarik
You're basically saying that "objective" is functionally indistinguishable from "incomprehensible".How so?
You're saying that the "literal object" does not rely on detection or description.
You're saying that the "literal object itself" does not rely on detection (by a human mind) or description (by a human mind).
THE MAP IS NOT THE TERRITORY.
You're basically saying, when I say "stone" and you think of a "stone", there is not a "literal stone" inside your head.
Your concept of "stone" is not a "literal stone".
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@Tarik
That’s not true, people being misguided is what I care about that’s why I mentioned it.
If someone is misguided about something that isn't important to you, why would you care?
For example, if some group of people incorrectly called "torches" "flashlights" or "handlamps", would you call them "misguided"?
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@DebateArt.com
Impressive. Please consider leveraging blockchain.
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@Tarik
How is any of this responsive?
It is literally pointless to insist that something "exists independently of a human mind".
You're basically saying that "objective" is functionally indistinguishable from "incomprehensible".
"OBJECTIVE" = "INCOMPREHENSIBLE"
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@Tarik
Why do you care what shape the earth is?I don’t, I have no personal feelings or opinions in regards to that subject. Logic and emotion isn’t always necessarily intertwined.
If you didn't care what shape the earth is, you wouldn't mention it.
If you didn't care what shape the earth is, you wouldn't think "flat-earthers" are "misguided".
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@Tarik
It is impossible to describe (and therefore impossible to make any statements or claims about) some "thing" that "is not dependent on the mind for existence; actual".Like I said before “a description isn’t necessary.”
Hey, let me tell you about this very important FACT.
This very important FACT is indescribable.
Isn't that a very important piece of information?
Aren't you glad that I made you aware of this very important FACT?
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@Tradesecret
because I don't think it is my responsibility personally to provide this healthcare for individuals.
Do you realize that your tax dollars are used to pay for emergency room care for homeless people?
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@HistoryBuff
So you are saying you want the government to have the power to force companies to do business with other people/companies against their will?
Yes.
Imagine a world where a business (that is open to the public) can choose to refuse service to Jewish customers.
Imagine a world where a business (that is open to the public) can choose to refuse service to Black customers.
Imagine a world where a business (that is open to the public) can choose to refuse service to LGBTQ+ customers.
U.S. federal law protects individuals from discrimination or harassment based on the following nine protected classes: sex, race, age, disability, color, creed, national origin, religion, or genetic information. [LINK]
CREED.
If you want to capriciously select your customers, start a PRIVATE CLUB.
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@HistoryBuff
how great free market capitalism is
Please explain where I said anything to suggest "how great free market capitalism is".
TRUMP IS AN IDIOT.
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@ethang5
Trump did spend months convincing people of delusional conspiracies.This is your opinion, not fact. And the MSM is guilty of this every day. Remember Russia, Russia, Russia? Or quid pro quo? Or collusion? Delusional conspiracies all.
Good point.
Where are all those WMDs?
Why did "the news" spread those viscous "conspiracy theories" about IRAQ planning 911?
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